There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

I can understand Marvel wanting to debut the Wasp and Ant-Man in their own movie(s), and not wanting Ms. Marvel since she hasn't had so much as a secondary role yet, but it seems like they're simultaneously demanding that we set up our female roles beforehand and (per Ike) not do any female-led movies at all. The mixed messaging is kind of odd.
 
I can understand Marvel wanting to debut the Wasp and Ant-Man in their own movie(s), and not wanting Ms. Marvel since she hasn't had so much as a secondary role yet, but it seems like they're simultaneously demanding that we set up our female roles beforehand and (per Ike) not do any female-led movies at all. The mixed messaging is kind of odd.
Just to clarify:

Ike hasn't said anything about Female-led movies yet (mostly because you have none so far, and haven't suggested any either). Furthermore, Ant-Man and the Wasp are, as mentioned, Iconic Marvel characters who they know can make money from.

They haven't said anything about demanding to set female roles beforehand. They are saying to set up any future avenger role before the actual movie.
 
Maybe we could set up the Antman and Wasp solo movie in the Avengers, with Hank and Janet appearing as important minor characters, and then bring them back for the second Avengers movie as add-on Avengers.
 
Ike hasn't said anything about Female-led movies yet (mostly because you have none so far, and haven't suggested any either).
Yes he has. He specifically nixed setup for a She-Hulk movie. This is why we became convinced we couldn't make a female lead superhero movie considering he aced a post credits scene specifically setting it up

Edit: it's not specifically about female lead movies but it's sophistry if you're arguing it's not related or relevant.
 
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TBH, I'm not too keen on setting up wide ranging plans for the Avengers considering we have two films in production, and another three we have to do before we can even think about the Avengers. All manner of stuff can happen in that time, and we should try to weather the road as smoothly as we can, i.e: not throwing in a wrench ahead of time before we know what's happening.
 
TBH, I'm not too keen on setting up wide ranging plans for the Avengers considering we have two films in production, and another three we have to do before we can even think about the Avengers. All manner of stuff can happen in that time, and we should try to weather the road as smoothly as we can, i.e: not throwing in a wrench ahead of time before we know what's happening.
In that case we could just have our Phase 1 run a little longer than OTL's and plan for a Captain Marvel, Black Widow, or Ant-Man and the Wasp movie in before Avengers 1. If Ike blocks us, we can tell the rest of the Marvel execs that the reason we're unable to set up our female superhero beforehand is because of him. (I think they'll see the need for at least a female character in A1, even if they only greenlight her for marketing and merchandising purposes.)
 
In that case we could just have our Phase 1 run a little longer than OTL's and plan for a Captain Marvel, Black Widow, or Ant-Man and the Wasp movie in before Avengers 1. If Ike blocks us, we can tell the rest of the Marvel execs that the reason we're unable to set up our female superhero beforehand is because of him. (I think they'll see the need for at least a female character in A1, even if they only greenlight her for marketing and merchandising purposes.)

We have already made a deal about our sweep of movies, the best we can do is introduce them into previous films, trying to fit another one in will likely not turn out well for us, we don't have the power to alter the deals, they do.
 
I have an idea. If we do an Ant-Man and Wasp movie, can we do a scene that pocks fun of and does a Take That! to the infamous scene in which Ant-Man smacks Wasp? Or when Ultimate Ant-Man attacks Ultimate Wasps with ants when she's miniature size?
 
Yeah, that's not happening. With the selected option Black Widow is a Free Agent, meaning that she was hired to help get rid of SHIELD's enemies. SHe's not a SHIELD agent and won't be getting any origin movie nor future appearances save as a villain or neutral character.
Would it be possible to use her in Avengers as a catspaw of Loki who decides to switch sides during the film? The sort of "there's a line, and you're over it!", or perhaps "I don't work for dictators", response from a villain with a conscience.

Obviously wouldn't make her a trusted member of the team, but would be a good time for the heel-face turn to start.

Alternatively, would a different Black Widow choice be open to removing the lingering villainous-ness at the end of the film?
 
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Natasha does not come as a hero at all in this movie. I would even hazard to say that she is closer to her Ultimate's version.
I actually wanted to take advantage of this when/if we did a Black Widow solo movie, by having a climax that hinges on whether she'll do the right thing or take a pragmatic, ruthless "easy way out". Her previous actions would keep the audience guessing as to what she would ultimately do, and if she chose to take the high road it would come across as more of a moral triumph for her character than a foregone conclusion (not to mention that, since my pitch would be set before her appearances in Hawkeye and The Avengers, it would recontextualize her later actions).
 
I think I should explain some things.

The fact about the Executives taking decisions behind your back? That was supposed to be an obstacle, as their decisions, as explained, would be base don what would bring them the most profit while you would try to either adjust or fight back with your own influence/goodwill. Now, you'd be able to obtain that by making great movies and by agreeing with their decisions, but there is also another way.

[] Network with Ike Perlmutter (Roll)
[] Network with Marvel Executives (Roll)
These options are there to help you for that inbetween movies and films. They would unlock infromation about their plans, and even give you a heads up so that you may either modify yours, or argue against them thanks to your new friends.

Networking with Marvel is easier, as they are creatives at heart (even if they need money like, yesterday) but their impact would be less than if you networked with Ike, who can make influencing the Creative Committee much easier. Networking with him would be difficult however, though the rewards would be massive.

I apologize if that was not clear enough.

If you guys have any questions you can always ask. If the answer contains spoilers I will at least tell you that.
Would it be possible to use her in Avengers as a catspaw of Loki who decides to switch sides during the film? The sort of "there's a line, and you're way over it!" response from a villain with a conscience.

Obviously wouldn't make her a trusted member of the team, but would be a good time for the heel-face turn to start.
Of course it would. That is a creative solution that could solve the problem.

She would not be considered an Avenger there though, but it opens the possibility for the future.
Alternatively, would a different Black Widow choice be open to removing the lingering villainous-ness at the end of the film?
Yes.
 
Take: I would appreciate it if Black Widow stayed a villain. Comic accurate? No. A take that would be very interesting? Yes.
 
[X] Plan: A Web Shield

If we're using Silencer I kind of want a scene where suddenly all sound cuts out (including background music) and Hawkeye briefly thinks he's gone deaf, due to Silencer's tech.
 
If we're using Silencer I kind of want a scene where suddenly all sound cuts out (including background music) and Hawkeye briefly thinks he's gone deaf, due to Silencer's tech.
Oh, that would be amazing. :D

Also, to everyone here, I've been looking up stuff on various wikis recently, and the Dean Helm version of Silencer apparently has a device that nullifies all sonic energy from him. That means he can't speak, nor can anyone hear him move. I also found that the Akiya Badaranaike version had the power to nullify sound waves. We can potentially give Silencer a device that nullifies sound waves as Akiya can. Imagine that. A totally silent assassin with the power to disorient his enemies by making sure they can't hear anything while at the same time making sure others can't hear him as well.
 
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Another take, tbh, I don't want Silencer to be a throwaway assassin, because it would be cool to see him pop up in future films, especially unexpectedly.
 
The Directors Strike Back - Planning Session: Hawkeye (January 2009)
Chad shook his head "Darn shame, I just really can't see Black Widow as a villain."

"She technically isn't. More closer to her Ultimate version than the 616 version. I'm sure we can find a way to give her some redemption arc later on."

"I'll hold you to that. And I'd been planning some amazing fight scenes too. It would have been great seeing her and Hawkeye fighting together."

That was...better to move the conversation before you get too tempted to reverse your decision.

It was David who decided to interrupt this time though. "I get that Maggia is supposed to act as a Red Herring, as in making the audience believe they planned it all when it was SHIELD all along, but I'm still concerned about Swordsman's motive. I mean, let's give SHIELD some credit here; they are not going to just stiff one of their top agents pay when they know how deadly he can actually be. Personally, I think we can do something better with him."

He…did have a point there. The Pitch even said that Swordsman would have goons and helicopters with him, but if he really needed the money for his family how could he have paid for those? Having him be employed by Maggia may explain it, save that the script didn't say that either.

[] [Motive] His motive is Revenge; Swordsman participated in an operation which caused the death of his entire squad and he blames SHIELD for it.
[] [Motive] His motive is Greed; Swordsman was caught stealing from those he killed as well as from SHIELD itself. He escaped before he could be caught.
[] [Motive] His motive is Pride; Swordsman was the best once, he wants the world, or at least SHIELD, to know and acknowledge that.
[] [Motive] His motive is Love; Swordsman fell in love and married a woman who was involved with organized crime. All he does is for her.
[] [Motive] Something Else: Write In

Once the debate about the motive for Swordsman was done the subject could finally move on to Hawkeye. The character by himself may seem a bit bland, having no powers but his skill at archery, being a Master Acrobat, having great reflexes, and training in hand to hand combat. But there has to be a way to show how deadly he can be at the beginning.

[] [Introduction] Hawkeye is introduced in the middle of an infiltration when he is suddenly discovered and has to fight his way out as well as evade his pursuers. (Stahelski's Choice)
[] [Introduction] Hawkeye is introduced in a quick flashback scene, back when he was only a rookie and nearly screwed up a mission, then do small Time-Skips showing his improvement.
[] [Introduction] Hawkeye is introduced as he is in a training simulation, showing all he can do.
[] [Introduction] Hawkeye is introduced by a Flashback to a training session with his old mentor, at the moment he graduated.

When it came to the discovery of Swordsman identity, David wants to make it tenser, more dangerous. He's thinking on leaning on the suspicion on SHIELD, making it so that they refuse information to Clint, leading him to be…creative in his way of obtaining it.

[] [Base] Hawkeye sneaks into the SHIELD base due to them withholding information. It can also serve as another display of his skills, and the similarities to Swordsman when he did the same at the beginning. The base is attacked by Swordsman and the Silencer, leading to Hawkeye having to fight both, loosing, and them escaping.
[] [Base] Hawkeye sneaks into the SHIELD base due to them withholding information. It can also serve as another display of his skills, and the similarities to Swordsman when he did the same at the beginning. The base is attacked by Swordsman and the Silencer, leading to Hawkeye having to fight both, defeating the Silencer, but losing against the Swordsman. (Leitch's Choice)
[] [Base] Hawkeye sneaks into the SHIELD base due to them withholding information. It can also serve as another display of his skills, and the similarities to Swordsman when he did the same at the beginning. The base is attacked by Swordsman and the Silencer, leading to Hawkeye having to fight the Swordsman and loosing.
[] [Base] Hawkeye sneaks into the SHIELD base due to them withholding information. It can also serve as another display of his skills, and the similarities to Swordsman when he did the same at the beginning. The base is attacked by Swordsman and the Silencer, leading to Hawkeye having to fight the Silencer and winning.
[] [Base] Something Else: Write In

Madripoor. The principality in the Southeast pacific, the land where inequality reigned, and the seat where the final climax of the movie would take place…

…Or it would, if anyone had bothered to remember that it's a part of the X-Men franchise! You can't use Madripoor for your movies!

"Seriously, no one bothered to look it up? Even you?" Chad's unbelieving tone stung. Mostly because he was right. You were supposed to be a Marvel fan, you owned issues going back to the Silver Age, heck Wolverine was still your favorite character!!

But you had been so busy, between trying to remember all you could about Thor, to then having to do a hard swerve for Hawkeye, some details just slipped by. Even if most of them were about who owned what at the moment.

"We will have to throw away most of the location, but perhaps we can save some of the interactions. For now let's focus on those. The final climax is to be a confrontation between Swordsman and Hawkeye. How is this happening?"

David had a gift for getting to the crux of the problem, and as he started giving some ideas you could not help but respond and give your own.

[] [Final Confrontation] Hawkeye leads a SHIELD team to attack Swordsman's hiding place. While all defenses are occupied he will find and confront Swordsman, fighting him one on one.
[] [Final Confrontation] Hawkeye goes after Swordsman on his own, sneaking into the hiding place, and confronting him. He is unaware that SHIELD is tracking him to get at Swordsman as well. (Stahelski and Leitch's Choice)
[] [Final Confrontation] Hawkeye goes after Swordsman on his own, sneaking into the hiding place, and confronting him. He is aware that SHIELD is tracking him to get at Swordsman as well.
[] [Final Confrontation] Hawkeye is seemingly captured as he tries to sneak into the hiding place and taken to Swordsman. SHIELD attacks soon after, Hawkeye breaks free and confronts Swordsman.
[] [Final Confrontation] Something Else: Write In.

And with this you're done. Both David and Chad now have the job of making this a reality. You hope that you've made the right decision, and you guess you'll see eventually.

Now you only need a name for the movie.

[] [Title] Just call it Hawkeye.
[] [Title] Perhaps be a bit more specific, call it Hawkeye: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
[] [Title] Something Else: Write In
 
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[] [Motive] His motive is Pride; Swordsman was the best once, he wants the world, or at least SHIELD, to know and acknowledge that.

This would make most for the character we've already established him to be.

[] [Introduction] Hawkeye is introduced in the middle of an infiltration when he is suddenly discovered and has to fight his way out as well as evade his pursuers. (Stahelski's Choice)

I like this idea, since we can show Hawkeye to be a badass without some unnecessary flashbacks.

[] [Base] Hawkeye sneaks into the SHIELD base due to them withholding information. It can also serve as another display of his skills, and the similarities to Swordsman when he did the same at the beginning. The base is attacked by Swordsman and the Silencer, leading to Hawkeye having to fight both, defeating the Silencer, but losing against the Swordsman. (Leitch's Choice)

I don't really have anything smart to say about this.

[] [Final Confrontation] Hawkeye leads a SHIELD team to attack Swordsman's hiding place. While all defenses are occupied he will find and confront Swordsman, fighting him one on one.

Sucks we can't use Madripoor anymore, but oh well. d: We'll have to work with something else then.
 
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