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There is no emotion... (A Jedi Order Quest)

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Voikirium said:
Sounds neat, sure.

Sort of surprised I didn't find one on the workshop.
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It might not be on the Workshop - I found it on good 'ol Deadlystream. IIRC Steam's workshop is good if you have one or maybe even two mods with KOTOR 2, but having more can cause issues. Manual install is usually better after that point.

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Feel free to PM me or ask people there if you have any installation queries.

TaliesinSkye said:
Oh gods, now I'm envisioning a Darth Wub Wub and his many bloodthirsty yet adorable acolytes.
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The glorious slaughter throne of Darth Wub Wub shall last for a thousand years!
 
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Year in Summary 3949 BBY
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    • Mical, the Disciple (Minor increase to knowledge gained from Holocrons)
    Claim the Telos Academy (-50 PP)

    The Academy is much as you remembered. The hard gray stone still faintly stinks of the handmaidens, of shed blood and of worse things-- low ceilings still trap the sound, amplify it as well. The room which once held Atris' Sith Holocrons has been locked for the moment, but the greeting chamber is still open.

    Your own holocrons have also been moved back to this place, into the chamber which the Disciple has selected as his own. The good news is, he should manage to make plenty of progress searching through them for their hidden secrets.

    The bad news, he will be too busy to be actively deployed anytime soon. Oh, anything that happens nearby he might be capable of helping with-- but you can't both be studying and patrolling.

    On an entirely different note, a number of new initiates have arrived at Dantooine-- aliens, freed from the Slave Markets and from the Exchange (who the Republic has finally started to crack down on, freed from the constant war and with the Jedi beginning to return to the Galaxy). With nothing tying them to their homes, they came with hope, and now will be trained as Jedi. Zeltrons, Rattataki, a handful of Zabraks-- and one from a species you don't know; blue-skinned and red-eyed, he calls his people the Chiss.

    Results of the year:
    +22 Initiates
    -15 PP (After Negotiations)
    +26 Dantooine (Now 315/500)
    Telos Academy (Guardian Facility)(0/100)(7/7)
    -70 Knowledge
     
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    • Crafter of War said:
    Found our battlemaster. Yes, I know that this isn't Thrawn. Chiss are still good strategists.
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    Some untrained rando isn't gonna be any more inclined towards being a good Battlemaster than the Handmaiden who snorts combat and strategic scholarship like crack. :V

    Also sheesh I can safey say I did not expect twenty two initiates so soon. Might need to get the Jal Shey on the line to handle our surplus. Or the Matukai. Or heck no harm in cowtowing to the Zeison Sha - we may as well rebuild that burnt bridge ASAP. I'm not even sure one master many students will function should we get it if we have this kind of intake every year - we'd need a lecture theater for each master before long.
     
    The Englanderish said:
    Some untrained rando isn't gonna be any more inclined towards being a good Battlemaster than the Handmaiden who snorts combat and strategic scholarship like crack. :V

    Also sheesh I can safey say I did not expect twenty two initiates so soon. Might need to get the Jal Shey on the line to handle our surplus. Or the Matukai. Or heck no harm in cowtowing to the Zeison Sha - we may as well rebuild that burnt bridge ASAP. I'm not even sure one master many students will function should we get it if we have this kind of intake every year - we'd need a lecture theater for each master before long.
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    I will say that I am still fiddling with recruitment and the Dantooine bonus, so you don't necessarily need to worry about that.

    Shard of Victory said:
    Not every chiss are genius strategist. Plus he still have years and years of study ahead.

    That 22 initiates worry me. We ether have to find a lot of masters very quickly, or change to many students system.
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    One Master can teach many Initiates, because they are literally just teaching the basic of basics. You know, "The Force is real, don't use it when you're pissed"-tier lessons.

    Crafter of War said:
    Found our battlemaster. Yes, I know that this isn't Thrawn. Chiss are still good strategists.
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    Even if he's a pacifist?:V
     
    The Englanderish said:
    Some untrained rando isn't gonna be any more inclined towards being a good Battlemaster than the Handmaiden who snorts combat and strategic scholarship like crack. :V

    Also sheesh I can safey say I did not expect twenty two initiates so soon. Might need to get the Jal Shey on the line to handle our surplus. Or the Matukai. Or heck no harm in cowtowing to the Zeison Sha - we may as well rebuild that burnt bridge ASAP. I'm not even sure one master many students will function should we get it if we have this kind of intake every year - we'd need a lecture theater for each master before long.
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    We should actually go all way and use school-like system not only we will be able to teach a LOT people per teacher, but as history shows thats offers better education than apprentiship.
     
    Shard of Victory said:
    We should actually go all way and use school-like system not only we will be able to teach a LOT people per teacher, but as history shows thats offers better education than apprentiship.
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    The main flaw I see there is that our numbers of qualified Jedi are so low that setting up a schooling system would basically stop us doing anything else until we had our first graduates. It also runs into issues when more specialist skills and needs comes into play. Teaching basic code principles, combat skills, and maths as a school is fine, but to fully train a complete Jedi I really think we'd need a more personal touch and at least a mentorship system.
     
    This is why I was strongly against one teacher one student, it will cripple growth that could have been exponential instead of linear.

    It's true that one master can handle many initiates, but those initiates will become padawans eventually and the recent vote means we have a severe bottleneck at that stage if we aren't allowed to adapt doctrine to the circumstances.

    Reaching out to other light side force orders for help training people isn't a bad idea as a patch if doctrine can't be changed. We could add the Luka Sene to the mentioned list, they're also around in this time period. They're not fighters to the degree of the Jedi or Matukai, but the Seekers aren't complete slouches either. Some of them could be good trainers of Jedi with a focus on sensing through the force.

    The question becomes how to go about getting outside help. We could just send initiates off to the other orders, but obviously that's less than optimal because while more light side users are good in general it doesn't strengthen the Jedi at all, and that's what we're trying to rebuild. It would be better if we could pull in instructors from the other orders to help.

    I can think of a few things we could offer as enticements. Salaries and funding, training in Jedi force techniques and access to Jedi holocrons (especially if they offer reciprocal teaching to Jedi in their techniques, the benefits of Matukai physical training in particular cannot be overstated), the benefits of operating under the Jedi's unique legal status with respect to the Republic, and protection and safety in numbers from threats.

    All that together might be enough to get some trainers in, at least temporarily, but there will be real diplomatic and practical challenges. The different light side force using orders have very different doctrines at times, and several can only teach fairly limited applications of the force, lacking the well-roundedness of the Jedi. That means they will not fit into a one teacher one student system well at all, not without crippling students' educations.
     
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    TaliesinSkye said:
    This is why I was strongly against one teacher one student, it will cripple growth that could have been exponential instead of linear.

    It's true that one master can handle many initiates, but those initiates will become padawans eventually and the recent vote means we have a severe bottleneck at that stage if we aren't allowed to adapt doctrine to the circumstances.
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    One teacher many students will almost certainly also fail if we get an influx like this every year. A Jedi with four pupils is suboptimal but managable. But ten? Twenty? We'll have to turn down a lot of people after the initiate stage regardless of which teaching method we have.
     
    The Englanderish said:
    One teacher many students will almost certainly also fail if we get an influx like this every year. A Jedi with four pupils is suboptimal but managable. But ten? Twenty? We'll have to turn down a lot of people after the initiate stage regardless of which teaching method we have.
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    Even if that's true, which isn't certain, we would still have far more Jedi at the end of the day accepting multiple padawans than we will restricted by a one teacher one student doctrine. One option does not have to be perfect to be better than another.

    Remember that every trained Jedi can contribute to training more and finding more initiates. It's the difference between a linear graph and an exponential one. I know you championed one student because you were worried the alternative would make more dark jedi, but it's going to drastically slow efforts to rebuild. I just hope we will have enough Jedi to deal with the problems that arise, and that bad things don't happen with initiates we can't train.

    If it's not too late to reverse the doctrine that would be nice, but failing that your suggestion of pulling in outside help is the best I can think of right now to deal with the situation we have.
     
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    Jedi Order Patrol Routes 3948 BBY
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    • The galaxy map is projected out onto the courtyard, the ten-thousand worlds of the Republic hanging out in front of you. Everywhere you see signs of a galaxy, slowly returning to a real, honest peace. Ships bearing supplies flowing through the Outer Rim, bringing relief to the many worlds which the Mandalorians and the Sith ravaged in their fury, prospectors searching for new veins of wealth, explorers once more exploring instead of hiding in fear.

    The sun is rising, and the long night is ending. All of those things which lurked in the dark, which brought you such woe, have been destroyed; and the foe, the true foe, is finally set to reeling.

    Onderon is recovering. Queen Talia has brought peace, hope, to her people. Wealth flows to it and in return the beasts, the animals necessary to restore scarred things, to bring life back to ravaged surfaces, flow to those places.

    Telos is healing. It is a slow recovery, but it is so-- fed by Hutt fuel, yes, and with far too many sacrifices to Czerka-- but in the end you have won there. It will harbor life again, and the evil that has been done will be undone, insomuch as such things and their echoes can be undone.

    Dantooine, too, is slowly forgetting when Malak ravaged it. The ruins are being rebuilt, and the damage done is being repaired. In the end, it will be what it is meant to be.

    There are things in the dark-- the General warned you of this--but they must lick their wounds as surely as you must. Much effort they festooned on their patsy to weaken the Republic, and it has come to nothing-- the Republic still stands, still endures, has not broken, not yet. And in return?

    They have brought Revan to their doorstep. They have brought the Exile to their doorstep.

    They are not ready-- they could not be ready.

    You have finally set out their routes-- the Jedi will know where to go.

    Available Jedi:
    Grandmaster Bao Dur
    Councilor Atton Rand
    Councilor Mira
    Councilor Visas Marr
    Councilor Brianna
    Councilor Bastila Shan
    Councilor Juhani
    2 Padawans

    Assign Jedi to these Patrol Routes:


    [] The Core: To be honest, this is likely the safest part of the Galaxy. You'd be surprised if anything more threatening than a few gangsters show up here anytime soon, and not very threatening ones either. Still, whatever does happen here, the entire galaxy knows about it, so if you just want to fly the flag, so to speak, this would be a good place for it.
    ([] Assign Jedi to patrol, needs 4 Vigilance)

    [] The Mid-Rim: Wealthier than the Outer Rim, but without the commiserate military force, a surprising amount of Jedi patrols have always been focused here, being pirate bait and all. This is likely where combat, if it takes place, will take place. Sending some real muscle out here would be a wise plan.
    ([] Assign Jedi to patrol, needs 6 Vigilance)

    [] The Outer Rim: A sparsely populated collection of agri worlds, you don't see too much trouble coming here, if it weren't for the Mandalorians. On the other hand, this is likely to be where the majority of your apprentices come from for the time being, so perhaps those more in tune with the Force would be a wise plan.
    ([] Assign Jedi to patrol, needs 2 Vigilance)

    There is one other thing, as well. The Supreme Chancellor has requested another meeting with one of the Jedi Council.

    Who do you send?

    [] Write-In (Whichever Jedi you send will not participate in first quarter events)
     
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    • [X] Plan Attending Duties
    -[X] The Core (Needs 4 Vigilance):     Councilor Atton Rand (Combat 4, Wisdom 3, Skill 3, Diplomacy 3, Vigilance 4), Padawan Kador. Total: Combat 5, Wisdom 4, Skill 4, Diplomacy 4, Vigilance 5.
    -[X] The Mid-Rim (Needs 6 Vigilance, Combat Focused): Councilor Juhani (Combat 6, Wisdom 3, Skill 1, Diplomacy 3, Vigilance 2), Councilor Visas Marr (Combat 5, Wisdom 3, Skill 3, Diplomacy 1, Vigilance 4), Councilor Brianna (Combat 6, Wisdom 4, Skill 1, Diplomacy 4, Vigilance 1). Total: Combat 17, Wisdom 10, Skill 5, Diplomacy 8, Vigilance 7.
    -[X] The Outer Rim (Needs 2 Vigilance, Wisdom Focused): Councilor Bastila Shan (Combat 4, Wisdom 4, Skill 3, Diplomacy 3, Vigilance 3), Councilor Mira (Combat 3, Wisdom 4, Skill 4, Diplomacy 3, Vigilance 4), Padawan Breda. Total: Combat 8, Wisdom 9, Skill 8, Diplomacy 7, Vigilance 8.
    -[X] Send Grandmaster Bao Dur (Combat 6, Wisdom 3, Skill 4, Diplomacy 5 Vigilance 2) to meet with the Supreme Chancellor.

    Glad we didn't take on the extra patrol route, it was harder to cover everything without Mical and one other. Picked Bao-Dur to handle the Supreme Chancellor because his high diplomacy might be helpful and sending the Grandmaster shows respect. I assume he'll also help buttress things in the Core after he's done with the first quarter, since that'll be local to him. Or he'll protect Dantooine and help with the Outer Rim, which is slightly less useful for his stats but still fine.

    Edit: I just realized, maybe @Voikirium expected the one sent to the Chancellor to be assigned regularly and just subtracted from the first quarter? If so, add him to the Core. His diplomacy is most useful there, and the Mid-Rim probably has enough combat.

    Edit edit: Updated Guardian stats. I could include vitality but I'm not sure if it's relevant.
     
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    Yeah, I can't think of anything better than what TaliesinSkye came up with. Looks fine to me.

    [X] Plan Attending Duties
     
    I updated the tech tree, you can see tier two of Combat and One Student, One Teacher now.
     
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