The plan has caveats on this very scenario. Essentially, if there is 0 spare time at all, Full Trade goes through but Webweaver copies Artificer to not be left stranded
Unless Glass can get a precise deadline ahead of time for the last moment to enter the street (and I doubt the spare time will be exactly zero), I think it's going to get pretty messy and at QM mercy to not run into big problems.. maybe socialing could allow something like crafting a new mask right in the middle of the warlord's abode right as you're being initiated to visceralism but I don't want to count on it
 
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Tbh my real issue with the plan is just how deeply unserious it is. Consider this - you are a Warlord. You committed to doing something extremely draining and laborious on your end, also choose to pardon us for killing his buddies. You offered all this in good faith. Our response is "heheh, yo, how about I make you a shittier version of this because losing two weeks getting Mask back up to speed is annoying, you feeling me?". After stern look then we go "lol, alright dude chill I had to give it a shoot, we are doing back to your initial offer!"
Sure - assuming that our shittier Artificer's Face isn't also more suited to the Zombies' needs - you can frame it as unserious. But it doesn't have to be. Consider this alternative framing:
You are an immortal zombie Warlord. You, hearing about this incredibly versatile magic system with minimal costs, are so excited about it you can probably cram months of work into the span of a few hours. The offerer has a tool they can give you that lets you get started, but it's valuable to them, the product of perhaps years of their pitiful mortal lifespan, and they're uncertain whether to part with it. Fortunately, they see a solution that's nearly as good: their magic system is so versatile they can make a less powerful copy over the course of a few minutes! Although marginally inferior, it still gets your foot into the door and you can easily begin mass-production with your many underlings after the deal concludes. After a mere year at the longest, the difference will be effectively zero, and this 'Lord Glass' is sure to appreciate your reasonable conduct if you ever meet again.

(Nevermind that both framings are inaccurate; the Warlord isn't here, we're negotiating with a representative. He only needs to hear the final deal, and the representative would simply only present that final deal if that would result in more passion, then explain after the fact.)
 
Unless Glass can get a precise deadline ahead of time for the last moment to enter the street (and I doubt the spare time will be exactly zero), I think it's going to get pretty messy and at QM mercy to not run into big problems.. maybe socialing could allow something like crafting a new mask while being initiated to visceralism but I don't want to count on it
The plan officially states that Glass copies Artificer in all scenarios, but especially if there is no time. This is one of the main reasons I am really pushing for this plan to win, as I think its honestly a waste to not do that basic thing.
 
To all those voting Eat your cake plan. Is ut okay if I change the initial write in vote to match the Outlined Tactics more.

Proposed new wording:
Write in: Offer a new mask for the Zombie Warlord that may suit its purposes more ie Sacrificial Forger or a Mask that is not a ticking time bomb of Facelessness
 
The plan officially states that Glass copies Artificer in all scenarios, but especially if there is no time. This is one of the main reasons I am really pushing for this plan to win, as I think its honestly a waste to not do that basic thing.
I'm not sure if I'm reading it wrong but to me it seems like any scenario about actually trading the artificer's face seems to, as written, hinge on what the warlord demands. There seems to be a good chance that Glass decides to completely blindside the warlord about the street (fits within his reckless character), in which case the warlord would probably fail to realize the actual time pressure / the possibility of Dorian just disappearing suddenly beyond any hope of reaching

and about copying the mask effect with the webweaver.. I can't recall, can it store a (single expression of) copied magic for a long amount of time? The blurbs seem to say that it can only be stored for a single minute at most which is probably not enough to help much with mask crafting after entering the street?

edit: ok Full trade II supersedes the cake plan
 
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Sure - assuming that our shittier Artificer's Face isn't also more suited to the Zombies' needs - you can frame it as unserious. But it doesn't have to be. Consider this alternative framing:
You are an immortal zombie Warlord. You, hearing about this incredibly versatile magic system with minimal costs, are so excited about it you can probably cram months of work into the span of a few hours. The offerer has a tool they can give you that lets you get started, but it's valuable to them, the product of perhaps years of their pitiful mortal lifespan, and they're uncertain whether to part with it. Fortunately, they see a solution that's nearly as good: their magic system is so versatile they can make a less powerful copy over the course of a few minutes! Although marginally inferior, it still gets your foot into the door and you can easily begin mass-production with your many underlings after the deal concludes. After a mere year at the longest, the difference will be effectively zero, and this 'Lord Glass' is sure to appreciate your reasonable conduct if you ever meet again.

(Nevermind that both framings are inaccurate; the Warlord isn't here, we're negotiating with a representative. He only needs to hear the final deal, and the representative would simply only present that final deal if that would result in more passion, then explain after the fact.)
The issue is that you didn't "hear" about it, we've murdered their buddies until they've noticed us. They have asked for reparations already. Their warlord is ready to do something they deem borderline impossible, which likely means a great deal of diminishment on their part, perhaps even permanent one. In other words, they are very serious about this.

We, on the other hand, are not. You are assuming that they can just wait for Mask to come to be; who knows how will the diminishment of their Warlord affect their standing in the world. Depending on their calculus, a shitty mask that takes time to get worthwhile might just not be worth it. So the negotiations are off and now they are still seeking reparations and we are running away to the Street, having just wasted three updates of proactivity and gameplay on our end just because of some dumb mask we can turn Crimson Lost into. Even if they play along with this, there is still chance that ritual takes too much time and we lose our access to the Street.

I understand people who want trade to fail voting for this plan. I have no idea why you guys think this is a good idea. Massive risk, minor reward, best case we just look stupid while doing thing we would be doing anyway.
 
The issue is that you didn't "hear" about it, we've murdered their buddies until they've noticed us. They have asked for reparations already. Their warlord is ready to do something they deem borderline impossible, which likely means a great deal of diminishment on their part, perhaps even permanent one. In other words, they are very serious about this.

We, on the other hand, are not. You are assuming that they can just wait for Mask to come to be; who knows how will the diminishment of their Warlord affect their standing in the world. Depending on their calculus, a shitty mask that takes time to get worthwhile might just not be worth it. So the negotiations are off and now they are still seeking reparations and we are running away to the Street, having just wasted three updates of proactivity and gameplay on our end just because of some dumb mask we can turn Crimson Lost into. Even if they play along with this, there is still chance that ritual takes too much time and we lose our access to the Street.

I understand people who want trade to fail voting for this plan. I have no idea why you guys think this is a good idea. Massive risk, minor reward, best case we just look stupid while doing thing we would be doing anyway.

Case in point, that last line of Outlined Tactics also refers to getting onto the Street, even losing Viscerality. If Dorian hears the Song of the Street, it means it is time to leave. Dorian should be able to return at that point (from Discord).

Hhmmmm

I like the have my cake and eat it too plan name, sounds better, also saves a bunch of time by not doing an arbitrary name change

That is just for the content inside the plan, specifically first clause, not the plan name.
 
Did we get some info on Discord about what we can expect from Viscerality to start with, what would be low hanging fruits etc?
To start with, the most basic techniques are cosmetic shapeshifting (change height, skin color, voice, etc,) and fairly decent regeneration (becoming swifter if you feel threatened, annoyed, etc.)

From discussion on Discord, you guys should simply consider the idea of selling them Artificer's, but making a copy first and simply taking the copy with you.
 
[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy
[X] Full Trade

Nice simple plan that birdsie confirms works as expected. No social blunders, no risk of miscommunication, we get visc and keep our crafting mask.
 
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[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy
[X] Full Trade
This is a plan that's been floating around on discord.
 
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..So it's still not too late to come up with new plans, right?

[ ] Really play up the power that the artificer's face will grant, show up face to face with the warlord and then at the last moment run to the Street while giving the middle finger. This is like No Deal but accrues extra Facetime via sheer blue balls and the unnecessary risk of death

[ ] Just ask to be full on turned into a zombie. Pledge omniversal death to all life in exchange for true friendship. Take Sixfold with us on the street. Spend all our import to accomplish this if necessary.
 
[X] Full Trade II
[X] Full Trade

That's it. Literally all we need.
 
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Discord Info: After some discussion Birdsie has provided us with an optimized plan that is guaranteed to work. Guys, please approval vote for this alongside Full Trade.

[X] Full Trade II
-As Full Trade, but ask the zombies if you can make a copy of Artificer's before giving them the original. If they approve, do so.
-Let the Warlord work on you while you're making the copy (Birdsie has confirmed he can do this)

[X] Full Trade
[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy
 
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[X] Full Trade II
*As Full Trade, but ask the zombies if you can make a copy of Artificer's before giving them the original. If they approve, do so.
*Let the Warlord work on you while you're making the copy (Birdsie has confirmed he can do this)

[X] Full Trade
[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy

EDIT: Sorry for those who liked the cake plan, but I cannot support it when this superior option exists
 
We have come to terms(This is basically just a reference to Big O regarding the new consensus)

[X] Full Trade II
*As Full Trade, but ask the zombies if you can make a copy of Artificer's before giving them the original. If they approve, do so.
*Let the Warlord work on you while you're making the copy (Birdsie has confirmed he can do this)

[X] Full Trade
[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy
 
[X] Full Trade II
*As Full Trade, but ask the zombies if you can make a copy of Artificer's before giving them the original. If they approve, do so.
*Let the Warlord work on you while you're making the copy (Birdsie has confirmed he can do this)
[X] Full Trade + Copy Artificer and Keep the Copy

Is anyone else mentally tired from the discussion about this vote?
 
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this solution is already part of what WHOCAEIT said, so really we already had this solution, it's just that now it's confirmed as a good idea by birdsie
 
Given this shift in voting, we'll hold off on the final tally for a bit more - that said, I am working on preparing your next world / location.
 
Okay, my next work is the Street itself, should I go for vague shadowy figures walking across it while worlds are flashing in the background, or should I draw a bunch of random dimension travelers going down it to make the Street feel more wondrous?
(Either way, I'll make worlds appear in the background, I'm just asking if I should make the focus the worlds themselves with the shadowy figures, or just equalize it with the random wanderers)
 
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