The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)

[Enjou]

A what now? We gotta learn that.

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Does what it says on the tin according to the wiki, but this is the only mention of it ever made - would seem like it'd be a useful thing to have had during the whole wizarding war thing...

1. And we cant add another brother to that why?
2. IIRC the lowest one that might work is a 5th level spell? it will take us some time to reach that level ( hence why the quest rewards are so damn high) so rellying on that to build our realtion ship is not practical
3. Because having the soul of a powerful darkwizard inside of those objects for years tends to leave a mark? I certainly would not trust those artifacts after use and besides whatever they can do we can do far better with far less effort and notice.
4. Umm so we would not need Hermonie for years ( if ever) Nevel for years ( if ever) or susan (never) by that same logic

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1. As I said, I do not believe Ron's drawbacks are worth what he brings to the table.
2. As I said, other fictional magics we can potentially learn may allow for a faster method of acquiring this. Also, I didn't say it was the sole method of getting Neville's loyalty - it's just the surest method of locking it in almost definitely.
3. We can easily just use Mage Sight on the artifacts to see if any effects are left over.
4. Not the point. We can slot out anyone, really. Ron is just in no way necessary or worth the drawbacks of his personality, IMO. Not for our version of Harry, anyways.

Like who? I would like to point out nevel was useless for years until he came up with Gilweed it took harry training him in the DA for some time for him to be anywhere near usefull. he suffered from cripleing shyness in his first year and past out from the look of the mandrake root. we would have to put a Hell of a lot more work into him than Ron.

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Neville's 'useless' state was due to him not having a compatible wand - his grandmother forced him to use his father's wand, rather than getting him a new one from Ollivander's. We have resolved that issue in this quest.

As far as shyness goes, it hasn't really stood out so far in this quest. One of his biggest issues behind his being shy was his self-confidence, which was again due to his incompatibility with his father's wand, which again is not a problem now. Having already made fast friends with Harry Potter also probably helped a lot. I also imagine eating Defense books beyond his year and beating the snot out of some Zombies will help boost his confidence quite a bit.

Like Harry dosent suffer from any those...

...Harry has his chosen one Angest and a hell of a temper at times, Oh and he copies Hermione's homework as well ( does that mean he is lazy or he knows that's she is a genius?)

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Our Harry is under our control and has Gamer's Mind. What canon Harry's personality problems were isn't going to be the same for us.

And yes, canon Harry is a bit lazy at times. I blame Ron's influence. Again, not our problem.

no one is perfect in case you forgot.Herminone for example starts as ( and continues for some time to be ) an insufferable knowitall with no friends ( until the troll incident) controlling and a perfectionist on top of being so blinded with what she thinks is " right" she ignores what people think ( house elves)

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Hermione grows out of some of her problems to a degree, which Ron rather doesn't IMO. Her drawbacks are also more than compensated for by the fact that she's extremely driven to learn and improve herself.

he is not perfect but ron is useful loyal and a good friend and frankly Harry could use every friend he can get. I dont see why we should cut him out for no reason.

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As stated, we don't have to ignore Ron entirely. I'm fine with being friendly with him. I just prefer not to bring him into our inner circle of those informed about The Gamer.

 

[Cjdavis103]

Does what it says on the tin according to the wiki, but this is the only mention of it ever made - would seem like it'd be a useful thing to have had during the whole wizarding war thing...




1. As I said, I do not believe Ron's drawbacks are worth what he brings to the table.
2. As I said, other fictional magics we can potentially learn may allow for a faster method of acquiring this. Also, I didn't say it was the sole method of getting Neville's loyalty - it's just the surest method of locking it in almost definitely.
3. We can easily just use Mage Sight on the artifacts to see if any effects are left over.
4. Not the point. We can slot out anyone, really. Ron is just in no way necessary or worth the drawbacks of his personality, IMO. Not for our version of Harry, anyways.



Neville's 'useless' state was due to him not having a compatible wand - his grandmother forced him to use his father's wand, rather than getting him a new one from Ollivander's. We have resolved that issue in this quest.

As far as shyness goes, it hasn't really stood out so far in this quest. One of his biggest issues behind his being shy was his self-confidence, which was again due to his incompatibility with his father's wand, which again is not a problem now. Having already made fast friends with Harry Potter also probably helped a lot. I also imagine eating Defense books beyond his year and beating the snot out of some Zombies will help boost his confidence quite a bit.



Our Harry is under our control and has Gamer's Mind. What canon Harry's personality problems were isn't going to be the same for us.

And yes, canon Harry is a bit lazy at times. I blame Ron's influence. Again, not our problem.



Hermione grows out of some of her problems to a degree, which Ron rather doesn't IMO. Her drawbacks are also more than compensated for by the fact that she's extremely driven to learn and improve herself.



As stated, we don't have to ignore Ron entirely. I'm fine with being friendly with him. I just prefer not to bring him into our inner circle of those informed about The Gamer.

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We can argue this untill we are both exhausted but I don't think either of us will change our minds.

I'm just going to vote for bring Ron into our group when I get the chance and let the votes fall where they will .

 

[Zaratustra]

Neville's 'useless' state was due to him not having a compatible wand - his grandmother forced him to use his father's wand, rather than getting him a new one from Ollivander's. We have resolved that issue in this quest.

As far as shyness goes, it hasn't really stood out so far in this quest. One of his biggest issues behind his being shy was his self-confidence, which was again due to his incompatibility with his father's wand, which again is not a problem now. Having already made fast friends with Harry Potter also probably helped a lot. I also imagine eating Defense books beyond his year and beating the snot out of some Zombies will help boost his confidence quite a bit.

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I think you may be underestimating Neville initial uselesness and overestimating the value of an aligned wand , you seen to forgeting that Ron , who also had a second hand wand and self stem isues , was at worst an averege student while Neville was a complete disaster at everything short of herbology , so yes the jouney to fix him will be a long and arduous one , and may require that we break Belatrix out of Azkaban

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

I think you may be underestimating Neville initial uselesness and overestimating the value of an aligned wand , you seen to forgeting that Ron , who also had a second hand wand and self stem isues , was at worst an averege student while Neville was a complete disaster at everything short of herbology , so yes the jouney to fix him will be a long and arduous one , and may require that we break Belatrix out of Azkaban

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He couldn't have been that bad of a student. He got an EE on the charms OWL and an Acceptable on the Transfiguration one, and an EE or higher for DADA. I understand that the idea that Neville is utterly incompetent in everything but Herbology exists in fanon, but if you're going to make an argument for or against him, do some research ahead of time.

 

[the DragonBard]

Give it up, none of you are going to convince the others, so you might as well stop discussing this.

 

[ArchRegis]

It's pointless in the first place, since everyone's only 11. For all we know, we might end up making Neville more useless than in canon, and turn Ron into a badass. We should just make decisions that seem like the right thing to do at the time. Like, including Ron in the compartment wasn't some long complicated plan to gain his allegience. It's cause telling him no is a dick move.

 

[CatScannerDarkly]

I think you may be underestimating Neville initial uselesness and overestimating the value of an aligned wand , you seen to forgeting that Ron , who also had a second hand wand and self stem isues , was at worst an averege student while Neville was a complete disaster at everything short of herbology , so yes the jouney to fix him will be a long and arduous one , and may require that we break Belatrix out of Azkaban

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Errr... Dude? Ron had a mismatched wand for one year. During that year, we see him cast all of one spell (admittedly to good effect). Not really a great sample size, y'know?

His mismatched wand was broken at the start of 2nd year by the Whomping Willow. All of second year, it was noted that his spells backfired. How he managed to pass the year is an open question, but I suspect it had something to do with getting a rain-check due to the Ginnymort affair. After second year? His parents won the lottery, bought him a matched wand and then blew the rest on a trip to Egypt. So he spent only one year with a mismatched wand, as opposed to Neville's full seven five.

And, as others have mentioned, it doesn't say anywhere that Neville was a bad student outside of potions. As has been noted elsewhere, Snape is a greasy bag of dicks who shouldn't be allowed to teach convicted felons, let alone schoolchildren, so I don't think we should hold that against him.

EDIT: Just got schooled on Potter Lore.

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

as opposed to Neville's full seven.

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Five. He broke it after OWLS, at the Department of Mysteries.

 

[Zaratustra]

He couldn't have been that bad of a student. He got an EE on the charms OWL and an Acceptable on the Transfiguration one, and an EE or higher for DADA. I understand that the idea that Neville is utterly incompetent in everything but Herbology exists in fanon, but if you're going to make an argument for or against him, do some research ahead of time.

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he kind of was that bad , he was uncordinated ,had bad memory and was frequently pointed as among those doing worst , also before acusing someone of not doing research you should focus a bit more on your own , Neviles OWLs can't be used as a measuring of his initial ineptude , since they were taken after Belatrix escape , which was the catalist that made him actualy stop being useless

Errr... Dude? Ron had a mismatched wand for one year. During that year, we see him cast all of one spell (admittedly to good effect). Not really a great sample size, y'know?

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I know that isn't the best sample size ,but it's not like we have all that many wizards who used second hand wands in canon , tought I most wanted to point out that the wand was the extremely least of Nevilles difficulties , remenber even with his father wand he was able to make good progress with his spelwork in the AD after Belatrix escape

And, as others have mentioned, it doesn't say anywhere that Neville was a bad student outside of potions. As has been noted elsewhere, Snape is a greasy bag of dicks who shouldn't be allowed to teach convicted felons, let alone schoolchildren, so I don't think we should hold that against him.

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I think you are being a bit biased against Snape , we most see him trought Harrys , so wile he was an stern teacher(and as a head of house a bit biased towards slytherins) we can't just assume that he was an inherently bad one , the may have focused more on Nevilles potion failures since that did the dual work of showing Neviles ineptitude and showing Snape bad side , but that doesn't forgive Neville of the fact that he was the one guy who maneged to destroy his own cauldron every other class , there is only so much you can blame a teacher for and in this case we do have a wider sample size

 

[Godogma]

We can blame Snape for being useless as a teacher because frankly he was. "The potion is on the board, do it" isn't teaching a goddamn thing. You can learn better from a book than that.

Simple fact.

EDIT: And deliberately intimidating and causing your students fear isn't kosher in a teacher either. Period.

In a real school he'd have been fired. If he'd have been my teacher and treated me like he treated Harry he'd have fell down stairs repeatedly.

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

he kind of was that bad , he was uncordinated ,had bad memory and was frequently pointed as among those doing worst , also before acusing someone of not doing research you should focus a bit more on your own , Neviles OWLs can't be used as a measuring of his initial ineptude , since they were taken after Belatrix escape , which was the catalist that made him actualy stop being useless

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So... you're claiming that in the five and a half months between the Azkaban breakout and the Battle in the Department of Mysteries, Neville took himself from barely able to do magic, to getting an Exceeds Expectations on his Charms OWL, all without having a properly matched wand. Ask yourself which seems more probable: the completely unprecedented growth from being barely better than a squib to suddenly becoming a decent wizard, or going from slightly below-average to average?

If it's the former, well, gosh, hanging around Harry from the get-go will turn Neville into a super wizard. Why would we need anyone else around when we have Nevile the Amazing? If it's the latter... well, that seems pretty believable.

 

[Zaratustra]

So... you're claiming that in the five and a half months between the Azkaban breakout and the Battle in the Department of Mysteries, Neville took himself from barely able to do magic, to getting an Exceeds Expectations on his Charms OWL, all without having a properly matched wand. Ask yourself which seems more probable: the completely unprecedented growth from being barely better than a squib to suddenly becoming a decent wizard, or going from slightly below-average to average?

If it's the former, well, gosh, hanging around Harry from the get-go will turn Neville into a super wizard. Why would we need anyone else around when we have Nevile the Amazing? If it's the latter... well, that seems pretty believable.

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I see it more as him going from solidly below average to average , before Belatrix escape he had the worst progress in the AD , after he was almost learning faster than Hermione ,and yet this also shows that it wil take way more than hanging with Harry for Nevile to become even somewhat useful , it toke Belatrix getting out for him to start getting good progress , and I seriously doubt we can provide this level of motivation , and like I said I think you may be overestimating how much diference the wand did when you take into acount that Neville was perfectly capable of dueling Death Eaters with it

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

I see it more as him going from solidly below average to average

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Ron , who also had a second hand wand and self stem isues , was at worst an averege student while Neville was a complete disaster at everything short of herbology

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You're aware you're agreeing with me at this point, right?

Neville was perfectly capable of dueling Death Eaters with it

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Neville did more with Hermione's borrowed wand (sticking it in a Death Eater's eye) than he did with his own. I think the only thing he did with his wand before it was broken was disarming one of the Le Stranges. And Harry.

 

[Louie the Lilac]

Uh, guys? I don't wanna be a downer on your discussion, but this is all kinda moot. Neville already has a confidence boost and better wand, and Ron is gonna be a lot more attentive now that his rat turned into a murderer. (He also won't be getting his wand smashed by the Whomping Willow this time around.) We've diverted from canon significantly now, there's only so much we can extrapolate form the books and movies now.

 

[Zaratustra]

You're aware you're agreeing with me at this point, right?

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you seen to think that they are boot the same point buy they aren't, I may have been esagerating a bit (his only actual confirmed class disasters that I remenber of the top of my head were in potions) , but I was taking into acount the passage of time and degres of failure, Neville was overall rater solidy below average instead of just slight , he had an overall great trouble with almost everything , yet he scraped enought to pass from an year to the next , first year not-much-better-than-a-squibfirst year Neville isn't sub-par-and-lackluster fifth pre Bella escape Neville , you were pointing out the absurdit of Neville learning five years of wizard scholing in a little less than six months and even tought he was surely the worst of the crop he wasn't neither as bad or as good in my opinion as your exemples indicated , then I countered that my point is that I fell you are underestimating Nevilles ineptude and overestimating how much of a handicap the wand was and our ability to provide help and inspiration enought for him to overcome his dificulties
I could also argue that post Bella escape Neville should have goten EEs to all his subjects all things considered

Neville did more with Hermione's borrowed wand (sticking it in a Death Eater's eye) than he did with his own. I think the only thing he did with his wand before it was broken was disarming one of the Le Stranges. And Harry.

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I couldn't say , it has been a long time since I read the books and I was going more by the wiki ,Yet do you not believe that the diference in his casting ability pre an post Bella scape plus how he was somewhat efective during that battle give enought evidence for one to say that any deleterious effect that the wand had on the quality of his wandwork was rather minor when compared to everything else ?

 

[Godogma]

I'd say you need a reread and also that translations can do funny things to books as well so if I were you I'd find an English text copy instead of a Portuguese translation.

Neville's problem stems from a lack of confidence as well as a very poorly matched wand. When he got a new one his stuff improved by leaps and bounds thus implying that if he'd have had one to start with he most likely wouldn't have had the confidence problems to start with. I have no idea where you get this whole mediocre student thing from; yes his best class was Herbology but he certainly put in more effort and got better grades than Ron.

Snape bullied Neville to the point that he was what showed up when he faced a boggart so anything to do with potions was going to be a flub to start with. When you're that damn scared mixing stuff over a fire when you haven't even been taught how things react to each other in the first place is just stupid; you're going to make mistakes and blow stuff up.

 

[Datakim]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I believe that theres somekind of party system where Harry can extend the benefits of the Gamer thing to others (atleast to some extent)?

If so, its arguable that natural talent is less important here compared to grinding skills and levels. As such, personality and willingness to grind are probably more important than how good a student someone was in canon HP.

 

[Corvo Montés]

And Ron wasn't that bad either, he got more than average grades.

 

[Zaratustra]

I'd say you need a reread and also that translations can do funny things to books as well so if I were you I'd find an English text copy instead of a Portuguese translation.

Neville's problem stems from a lack of confidence as well as a very poorly matched wand. When he got a new one his stuff improved by leaps and bounds thus implying that if he'd have had one to start with he most likely wouldn't have had the confidence problems to start with. I have no idea where you get this whole mediocre student thing from; yes his best class was Herbology but he certainly put in more effort and got better grades than Ron.

Snape bullied Neville to the point that he was what showed up when he faced a boggart so anything to do with potions was going to be a flub to start with. When you're that damn scared mixing stuff over a fire when you haven't even been taught how things react to each other in the first place is just stupid; you're going to make mistakes and blow stuff up.

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Okay , I recheked my facts and now I have some things to say
First could you please point me where in the sixth book says that he improved by leaps and bounds ? I remenber that in the fifth he started to improve by leaps and bounds after Bellatrix escape , which suports my hipotese that the wand wasn't nowhere near all that much of a factor in holding him back , about the mediocrit, that was kind of the point of Neville , whenever he appeared he showed himself to be the lest capable person around , also I will have to call bullshit on neville getting better notes tham Ron , Ron got EEs on most everything ,take Nevilles knows OWLs , acount for the fact that his wandwork imroved a lot after Bellas scape and consider how his school situation is normaly portrayde and is a safe bet that in conparison to Ron he was in the sad situation of working harder for less result most of the time

also you should let go a bit of your bias against Snape and be more objective if you are coufunding cause and effect , Neville being a disaster in potions predates Snape getting on his case for being a complete disaster , also everyone in that class had to deal with Snape , and yet Neville was the only one who either melted or exploded his cauldron with regularity , I am not saying that Snapes atitude helped any , but I can't in good conscience put all the blame in his shoulders when Nevile's was concistently the worst by miles on every single class for years

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I believe that theres somekind of party system where Harry can extend the benefits of the Gamer thing to others (atleast to some extent)?

If so, its arguable that natural talent is less important here compared to grinding skills and levels. As such, personality and willingness to grind are probably more important than how good a student someone was in canon HP.

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actualy this depends o lot in interpretation , we can invite people to the party and this alows comuniction and perusal of their stat sheet for level up bonus point assignments , yet in canon they don't seen to get the all important Gamer's Mind and Body skills , so in all probability they would be unable to train their stats and skills wih the same ease the gamer would , and so natural talent would still be an important factor and thats not acounting for the fact that even if they get gamers mind and body natural talent could still make a perceptible diference in the form of traits , titles or some othe mechanic

 

[mrttao]

Errr... Dude? Ron had a mismatched wand for one year. During that year, we see him cast all of one spell (admittedly to good effect). Not really a great sample size, y'know?

His mismatched wand was broken at the start of 2nd year by the Whomping Willow. All of second year, it was noted that his spells backfired. How he managed to pass the year is an open question, but I suspect it had something to do with getting a rain-check due to the Ginnymort affair. After second year? His parents won the lottery, bought him a matched wand and then blew the rest on a trip to Egypt. So he spent only one year with a mismatched wand, as opposed to Neville's full seven five.

And, as others have mentioned, it doesn't say anywhere that Neville was a bad student outside of potions. As has been noted elsewhere, Snape is a greasy bag of dicks who shouldn't be allowed to teach convicted felons, let alone schoolchildren, so I don't think we should hold that against him.

EDIT: Just got schooled on Potter Lore.

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The fact that the school even lets students waste years trying to study with a mismatched wand is a clear indication of gross incompetence on the school's administration part.

 

[horngeek]

. . . I believe I managed to wait 2 and a half days the first time... and managed to successfully ignore the issue for 3 the second time... And both of those times it was merely to ask where was the OP. This time... however, he had indicated that he would be back on today, so when he didn't appear, yeah it was rude of me to point out that he didn't come back, and I was trying to joke about how it seemed to happen to him only on the weekends, as this is the third weekend in a row that he has not signed in on. The edit was just that, to defend why I made the comment in the first place, putting point to the fact that he indeed was likely experiencing computer problems again seeing as he'd at least respond to people by that point in time during the days he could log in.

I wasn't complaining that he hadn't updated... if it was a complaint; as I, personally, feel I was just joking around that he was having computer problems again, for the third weekend in a row. But if my presence bothers you, I suppose I can just delete my account, because obviously you're an authority member that can dictate to others your point of view as law and rightousness... you know instead of actually seeing what the problem is... oh wait... good thing you're not a mod, or we'd have a lot of members banned, now wouldn't we, Easy? Check yourself, before you try to check others.

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Delete your account please and go away.

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but i am a mod @WCSII, constantly asking the QM when an update's coming whenever there's a minor delay does rise to the level of harassment.

@Corvo Montés, telling another poster to leave the forums is across the line.

Both of you have received 15 points. Do not repeat this behaviour.

 

[Godogma]

@Zaratustra
Neville only received one score lower than EE and that's in Transfiguration (which was an Average) where his wand caused him the most problems; he also failed NOTHING. Something Ron and Harry can't claim.

He even got an O in Herbology, Ron got O's in NOTHING.

So come off your bullshit.

And no I don't have to "let go of bias against Snape", he's an obsessed emotionally abusive jackwang who if he worked in a regular school would have been fired. He also ruined the chances of many students to become Aurors because for some fucking reason they have to have a NEWT in Potions and he did his dead level best to intimidate and screw with his students. (At least in Harry's class and year).

I see no reason why that pattern would change for anyone else. In closing; no - go back and reread the damn books fanon clouds your mind. I just re-verified my facts on the HP-Lexicon, which even includes all of Rowlings notes and everything else.

Snape =/= Alan Rickman, he was a greasy abusive git who was only there at the school because Dumbledore wanted him there.

 

[Sol Mark-1]

Thank you Horngeek.

 

[skaro]

The fact that the school even lets students waste years trying to study with a mismatched wand is a clear indication of gross incompetence on the school's administration part.

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One word Lockhart is years two according to J.K. interview is Dumbledore scheme to expose Lockhart.

 

[Godogma]

One word Lockhart is years two according to J.K. interview is Dumbledore scheme to expose Lockhart.

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Just proving she's an idiot who should have had an editor who hit her with a rolled up newspaper more often or squirted her in the face with a water bottle like you do a cat that keeps jumping on the counter.

He's the head of the courts and the legislature and he can't open an investigation or make sure people get trials... or evidently do any of his jobs competently. Why am I not surprised?

Senility is my diagnosis I think. Either that or terminal stupidity.