Higure
Witch of Faith
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Yeah, mentioned that in the next line.
Still, providing it's similar to its source version, it should at least be able to unkill any friends who get AK'd in front of us.
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Still, providing it's similar to its source version, it should at least be able to unkill any friends who get AK'd in front of us.
Not the GM, but in order to discourage the use of Balefire (if we ever got it) to fix every problem, I'd make any EXP gained from using it to kill an enemy disappear, since it will have ceased to exist before it was killed.
I don't believe magic of the multiverse will apply to other characters. I think they'll be limited to 'real world' skills, which still allows them an absurd amount of growth, of course, but it would be limited to staying within the realm of HP magic and whatever magic we translate using Write.
Probably? More likely, though, is fictional alchemy giving a boost to the HP alchemy skill, with any unique effects getting their own spell created.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Yeah, I figured we'd drag the entire Hogwarts library into the a heavily Time-Distorted ID (actually putting all of the books into inventory, if necessary), and then go into full research mode (supplemented with Written learning enhancement abilities, Multiversal created items, and other Gamer shenanigans).
That, and lots of practice, should get everyone up to 7th year level in short order.
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you realize that time distortion learning will rapidly age them?
also, since our magic is adapted to the local form, it means that the library wards might interfere with ID
What wards?
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http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hogwarts_Castle#Magic
Hogwarts castle has magic protection up the wazoo. most of them are not explicitly revealed
Yes, yes, the castle has plenty of wards... he was asking what library wards. Also to refute your stumbling;
There is no mention of any Library wards, whatsoever... Spells, on the books themselves, yes... wards on the library, no.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Thus my earlier mention of finding a multiverse-based philosopher's stone to stop aging?
Alternatively, I'm sure some RPG or another can address that. Hell, we can just use a transmutation spell to make us seem younger than we are.
In the event we cannot in any way slow our aging/stop our aging temporarily/conceal our aging, the potentially immense mental and physical enhancements we can provide can probably knock the training time to reach 7th year level down massively...we'd still visibly age, but we can probably reduce it to two years in time-distorted space. We could reduce the visibility further by breaking it up across the year: 2 days in the ID for every 1 in real time. That should also offset the mental stress of long-term separation from the rest of humanity.
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Uh, not 100% on this but in the actual gamer Jee-Han doesn't seem to be ageing (aging?) And he spent I think an entire weekend studying and training in a time dilation illusion barrier. Plus his friend has probably had the time dilation barrier around for years, probably training in it and he hasn't seemed to age prematurely. So unless some one can prove to me that the time dilation barriers advance ageing, I won't understand why it's being brought up.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Hmm...possible point there. It might be Gamer's Body talking? (Maybe the Gamer won't age without a Time-Skip? That would be awkward.
That wouldn't explain the other characters, though...I hope you're right. I guess we'll find out IC.
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The entire castle is full of wards everywhere. By definition every single room in the entire castle has wards.
We know some rooms have more specific wards (individual house dorms, headmaster room, etc). So I would also guess that if its explicitly stated that there are many defenses, that every important room or special rooms would have more specific wards.
For example a library of magic might have some extra wards to prevent people from sneaking into forbidden sections (there is always a forbidden section).
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. . . err... how in the nine hells did anyone come to that conclusion about the manwha(sp?) In comic, it's been at most six months for Jee-Han, I think, however, it's likely only been four months since he got his ability, his first month was learning what he could do, his second was spent getting stronger, and culminated with trying to help his teacher and the teachers daughter. After that, we time skipped somewhere between two to four months... since his mother's note said it'd be at least six months before she got back... And that was near the end of the first arc before the time skip. And I'm almost certain the translation said it was only two or three months since she left, once it opened into arc 2. So, again, it's only been at most six months since Jee-Han became the gamer, so how... pray tell did someone come to the conclusion that Jee-Han isn't aging?
(EDIT) from the wikia it seems that Rowling skimped on what all sorts of wards are up at hogwarts, and specified that they were specifically area of effect wards... not room by room affect wards... so unless, ttao, you can find the reference that the Library, or indeed any specific rooms in Hogwarts, were individually warded, and which wards... the question is still relevant, what Library wards?
(EDIT) from the wikia it seems that Rowling skimped on what all sorts of wards are up at hogwarts, and specified that they were specifically area of effect wards... not room by room affect wards... so unless, ttao, you can find the reference that the Library, or indeed any specific rooms in Hogwarts, were individually warded, and which wards... the question is still relevant, what Library wards?
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It hasn't been long enough to tell. also manga/anime makes it hard to tell people's age.
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It's more inferred from his green haired friend (whose name escapes me) he's probably been training in time dilation illusion barriers most of his life. Granted I think it mentioned it's expensive for permanent time dilation barriers to be installed but I doubt his family only has the single illusion barrier. That's why I said what I did. Jee-Han hasn't been training long enough for anyone to notice if it was happening but his friend probably has been and Jee-Han has known him since they were kids.
Okay, yeah, I can probably accept that... although I do wonder if there isn't something unique about time dilation barriers that only let one perceive accelerated time, as opposed to experiencing it. But, even so, at most that only adds another two months to the time table, as Jee-Han was only able to train at Chun-bu(sp?) clan's house after school, and only one day of the weekend and I think that they only went so high on the time dilation. The end result is that it doesn't add all that much time to what Jee-Han has experienced outside. Besides, even if it was only a 2:1 ratio, and his friend spent roughly half his childhood and teenage years in it... what's his name would be much, much older than he is now... and said friend doesn't have the Gamer. So, even that doesn't explain it. However, despite the training in time dilated permanent barriers, the friend still grew up at the same rate as Jee-Han did prior to the story. So, it's much more likely that the TD barriers don't age people in them while they train inside. (Yeah, don't ask me how that works, just say author fiat and wash hands) Which means we're right back to the four to six months in story since the manwha started.
That's a big load of fanon you got there. Wards don't show up in canon. Jinxes, charms and hexes? Yes. Wards? No.
Kerrus
Fractal Insanity
Oh for god's sake, just have Harry eat a copy of the Manual of the Planes so he can make an ID with the timeless quality.
The timeless quality prevents aging while within the affected plane. Time still passes- often even a lot of time- but anyone in the plane doesn't age, or only ages within a certain range.
Both Neverland and Oz are planes with the timeless quality, for example.
The timeless quality prevents aging while within the affected plane. Time still passes- often even a lot of time- but anyone in the plane doesn't age, or only ages within a certain range.
Both Neverland and Oz are planes with the timeless quality, for example.
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good job with the semantics there. As I previously quotedCanon castle is full of magical defenses
even if they call it something other than wards (and it is rather vague on exactly what the defenses are called). there is no difference between a jinx, a charm, a hex, and a ward.
Accusing someone of spewing a load of fanon because "you are 100% right but used the wrong term" is... I just have no words
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Except where you're claiming that the library is warded with imaginary wards that prevent people from going places or removing things. For that to be true, your headcanon would have to create these spells from scratch. And seeing as we know from canon that Harry was able to sneak into the restricted section without setting off an alarm (he only set it off once he opened a book, and that was on the book itself, not on the area.), and Hermione was able to remove a book from the restricted section...
As I previously quoted
Canon castle is full of magical defenses
It is canon that the castle is warded up the wazoo. even if they call it something other than wards (and it is rather vague on exactly what the defenses are called). there is no difference between a jinx, a charm, a hex, and a ward.
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strawman harder
^all I claimed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Furthermore, you are assuming that the issue is "entry to forbidden area" rather than "use ID in library". ID is a dimensional pocket thing that lets us bypass defenses, pass through walls, see things undetected. Considering the entire castle is specifically and explicitly warded against incoming teleporting, and that ID lets us travel through a different plane before exiting it, it might trip some protection or another (or it might not, I am pointing out the risk)
backtrack harder
^You explicitly made a 100% bullshit semantics argument of "you are 100% correct mrttao but you called it wards when its actually called jinxes, charms, and hexes". shame on you. Now you are trying to backtrack on that claiming that this is totally not what you meant even though it is explicitly what you said
There is zero indication that the ward/jinx/charm/whatever was on the book and not the library itself.
There is no reason why the library couldn't be the object on which the alarm charm is located, with it being set to "sound an alarm when someone opens a forbidden book". That isn't to say that it is impossible for the spell to have been on the book, either option is perfectly valid.
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Considering Hermione has taken others from the restricted section almost at will and used them or if necessary to avoid Pince left the Library with them I'd definitely say spells are on individual books. And the ID barrier DOES NOT Change the original area. AT ALL.
Altered dimensional stuff probably comes into that library daily. Bags with expanded space and featherlight enchantments for example. Every time they're opened and closed under your thoughts they'd set off something; however they do not. We've never heard of a single instance in which they do.
Also to everyone who says wandless magic is impossible in HPland; Tom at the Leaky Cauldron uses it for everything (from lighting fires and cleaning to turning off car alarms), and Dumbledore has been shown to use it as well. Not to mention Lupin, Snape and Voldemort.
Altered dimensional stuff probably comes into that library daily. Bags with expanded space and featherlight enchantments for example. Every time they're opened and closed under your thoughts they'd set off something; however they do not. We've never heard of a single instance in which they do.
Also to everyone who says wandless magic is impossible in HPland; Tom at the Leaky Cauldron uses it for everything (from lighting fires and cleaning to turning off car alarms), and Dumbledore has been shown to use it as well. Not to mention Lupin, Snape and Voldemort.
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Actually, all he said was that there aren't wards.
Also, I'm not taking a side here, I'm just pointing it out.
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That there are no wards and that I am making fanon, his exact words were
The underlined is a semantics argument saying that wards are fanon and don't exist in setting. It happens to be true that wards are not called wards, I did actually make a semantics error there.
The alternative might be that he meant was that wards exist in the setting, but its fanon to claim any wards exist in the castle, even though I explicitly quoted source saying that the castle is full of various powerful defenses, so that makes no sense
Oh real nice there. obviously you making strwamen arguments, semantics arguments, and backtracking is merely you "rising to flame baiting", and obviously me saying things like "there are wards in the library" is me flame baiting, how dare I.
Pro Tip: If you truely mean to end an argument, you should not attack the other side in the very same post
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