Wat?
What exactly did who do for Dumbledore?
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@Halpo133 has answered that this is a canon-as-intended Dumbledore, so a well meaning, but fallible man.
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The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)
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What exactly did who do for Dumbledore?
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Syqadelic
That's not a mountain.
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Did Dumbledore ever explain exactly when his plan became "martyr Harry"?
The plan was never "martyr Harry" hence the Resurrection Stone. That said he clearly had doubts about Harry being a Horcrux as late as the sixth book, Recall the smoke serpents and Dumbledore's musings.
Come with me to the wonderful world of PMs or dedicated Harry Potter discussion threads, and I'll be happy to get into it with you. Mods have come down time and again about this quest not keeping discussion relevant to either the vote, or the immediate actions following the vote.
... And this discussion is firmly going in the direction of not-quest-relevant chatter. Come, friends. Let us away.
Zimary
[Cakravala Cakravrtin] [Penguin of the Sith]
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Snape. Guy did far mkre damage to the good guys than the bad, and that's tallying up canon.
Oh sweets, now I feel better for voting not to tell him. Falible man would no doubt tell Snape or whoever he believes should know this and pretty soon everyone would know it.
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You mean these fanon non existant things of non existance?
As far as we know Snape got good results as a teacher through a combination of being good at Potions and fear as a motivational tool. In fact paradoxically the ones most hurt by his favoritism were the Slytherins since they were less incentivized to learn.
Also yes this is relevant since it will prevent nonsensical plans to oust Snape or make him stop being mean, like thousands of bad fanfics, when we should be focusing on the big picture.
Lastly remember we are at neutral relations with Snape. Let's avoid gratuitous shenanigans that would get us back in his bad books.
Conversation with Dumbledore pt 2, Minister Meeting
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- NC, USA
You remain silent for a couple seconds at the question. Not too long, that would be telling in and of itself. You don't even risk glancing at Moody. You could tell him about your ability, but... You don't know if it's a good idea. Everything you've heard about him says that Dumbledore is a great man. Powerful and intelligent. But you know, from where and how you grew up, that even great men make mistakes. And their mistakes are as great as their successes.
So when you open your mouth to reply, the words that come out aren't about your ability.
"Well... I got a letter from the Minister to meet with him and an adviser. I didn't think refusing would be a good idea, so I've got a meeting scheduled at a later date."
The old man in colorful robes sits back in his chair, one of his hands moving to stroke his long beard.
"No. A refusal would not have been a good idea. The Minister is a very... Appearance conscious man. A refusal would have seen him suspecting something, never mind your young age. I'm not sure who his advisor would be. Delores Umbridge, perhaps. She is his Undersecretary. Or... Well, there are a number of people it could be. Regardless, it is best that you go, commit to nothing, and return home."
[+10 relationship with Albus Dumbledore]
Nodding your head you turn your attention to the various... Things you see in the office, asking about them and learning what you can. He tells you about the telescope, the paintings of the former headmasters, and explains about the purpose of those silver gizmos of his. Mostly to monitor things around the castle, though one, he says, is for tracking where he's placed his bag of lemon drops. You're not sure if he was telling the truth there.
Eventually the discussion winds down and you part ways, returning to your room.
And eventually it's time for your meeting with the Minister. You do your best to dress nicely, making use of one of your school robes to try and fit in among the wizards. Then Moody takes you to the Ministry where you are escorted to the Minister's office. When you enter the Minister, still wearing that lime green bowler cap, immediately moves to shake your hand.
"Harry! Hello! Good to see you, good to see you! I would like to introduce you to my Senior Undersecretary, Delores."
After saying this he motions toward a woman in pink. Well, you think it's a woman anyway. She's rather... Toad-like, and given that you didn't think dragons were real before you turned eleven you aren't quite willing to rule out the possibility of giant sentient toads.
She makes no move to shake your hand, and you don't do anything to do the same. Instead moving to sit down when the minister motions toward a chair in front of his desk. None there for Moody.
"I just wanted to speak with you to be sure you're getting along okay, and that you're happy with how things are going!"
"Um... Things are going well, sir. I mean, my relatives haven't done anything to me since Moody started to keep watch on them. And I've been able to practice my school work with him watching over me."
"That's good!" Comes the Minister's exuberant response. "Should give you a nice leg up, eh?" The man chuckles softly to himself before another voice interrupts, one sounding like someone trying too hard to sound sweet.
"Hem hem... It is good that things are going well, of course. Though perhaps you could answer a few questions for us. We don't have a record of exactly where it is you live, and we'd like to go over exactly what you've been learning. Just to make sure there's nothing out of the ordinary going on, of course."
Before you can even reply, Moody barks out, "Need to know only! The fewer who know where he is, the safer he is! As for what he is learning it is nothing illegal. I guarantee that. And you don't doubt my word, do you?" The man's magical eye spins to focus on Umbridge for a minute before resuming it's continual scan of the room.
"Of course not! Of course not," chimes in the Minister. "And we definitely understand the desire to keep it secret and safe. But surely letting us know won't matter. It isn't as though the Ministry has any reason to go after the Boy-Who-Lived!"
Once again Moody replies, "The Ministry can have moles! Those who are willing to exchange a bit of coin for what seems to be insignificant information." Here his eye locks on the Minister himself, which causes the man to squirm a bit. "One can never be too careful, after all. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!"
The shout causes both of the others in the room to jump, though you, due to your constant exposure, are able to avoid it. After a few minutes of silence the conversation resumes again, now sticking to inconsequential topics, and before too long you're being ushered out. "Have to cut things short, Harry. Life of the Minister is always busy, I'm sure you understand!"
That... Seems to have been a bit of a waste of time.
Back at the house you plan out your plans for the final week before you head to Hogwarts.
[ ] Meet with Hermione to study
-[ ] Optional: Tell her about your gamer power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
[ ] Meet with Neville to hang out.
-[ ]Optional: Tell him about your gamer power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
[ ] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
-[ ] Optional: Tell Madam Bones about your Gamer Power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
-[ ] Optional: Tell Susan about your Gamer Power(Takes 1 additional time slot, free if also telling Madam Bones, special event)
[ ] Tell someone else about your gamer power(special event)
-[ ] Write in who.
[ ] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[ ] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[ ] Buy more books(Specify muggle or magical. )
[ ] Run dungeons!
[ ] Work on gaining points in...(Write in stat, only one stat applies though a decent write in on how could give lesser bonuses to other stats)
[ ] Do mini-quests around the neighborhood(+rep with Privet Drive, +EXP, +British Pounds)
[ ] Work on gaining points in... (Write in two skills. Only two skills per time slot, though a decent write in on how can give lesser bonuses to other stats.)
[ ] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
[ ] Write a letter to... (Write-in. 1 is free, more requires a time slot, more than 5 requires 2.)
[ ] Write-in
So when you open your mouth to reply, the words that come out aren't about your ability.
"Well... I got a letter from the Minister to meet with him and an adviser. I didn't think refusing would be a good idea, so I've got a meeting scheduled at a later date."
The old man in colorful robes sits back in his chair, one of his hands moving to stroke his long beard.
"No. A refusal would not have been a good idea. The Minister is a very... Appearance conscious man. A refusal would have seen him suspecting something, never mind your young age. I'm not sure who his advisor would be. Delores Umbridge, perhaps. She is his Undersecretary. Or... Well, there are a number of people it could be. Regardless, it is best that you go, commit to nothing, and return home."
[+10 relationship with Albus Dumbledore]
Nodding your head you turn your attention to the various... Things you see in the office, asking about them and learning what you can. He tells you about the telescope, the paintings of the former headmasters, and explains about the purpose of those silver gizmos of his. Mostly to monitor things around the castle, though one, he says, is for tracking where he's placed his bag of lemon drops. You're not sure if he was telling the truth there.
Eventually the discussion winds down and you part ways, returning to your room.
And eventually it's time for your meeting with the Minister. You do your best to dress nicely, making use of one of your school robes to try and fit in among the wizards. Then Moody takes you to the Ministry where you are escorted to the Minister's office. When you enter the Minister, still wearing that lime green bowler cap, immediately moves to shake your hand.
"Harry! Hello! Good to see you, good to see you! I would like to introduce you to my Senior Undersecretary, Delores."
After saying this he motions toward a woman in pink. Well, you think it's a woman anyway. She's rather... Toad-like, and given that you didn't think dragons were real before you turned eleven you aren't quite willing to rule out the possibility of giant sentient toads.
She makes no move to shake your hand, and you don't do anything to do the same. Instead moving to sit down when the minister motions toward a chair in front of his desk. None there for Moody.
"I just wanted to speak with you to be sure you're getting along okay, and that you're happy with how things are going!"
"Um... Things are going well, sir. I mean, my relatives haven't done anything to me since Moody started to keep watch on them. And I've been able to practice my school work with him watching over me."
"That's good!" Comes the Minister's exuberant response. "Should give you a nice leg up, eh?" The man chuckles softly to himself before another voice interrupts, one sounding like someone trying too hard to sound sweet.
"Hem hem... It is good that things are going well, of course. Though perhaps you could answer a few questions for us. We don't have a record of exactly where it is you live, and we'd like to go over exactly what you've been learning. Just to make sure there's nothing out of the ordinary going on, of course."
Before you can even reply, Moody barks out, "Need to know only! The fewer who know where he is, the safer he is! As for what he is learning it is nothing illegal. I guarantee that. And you don't doubt my word, do you?" The man's magical eye spins to focus on Umbridge for a minute before resuming it's continual scan of the room.
"Of course not! Of course not," chimes in the Minister. "And we definitely understand the desire to keep it secret and safe. But surely letting us know won't matter. It isn't as though the Ministry has any reason to go after the Boy-Who-Lived!"
Once again Moody replies, "The Ministry can have moles! Those who are willing to exchange a bit of coin for what seems to be insignificant information." Here his eye locks on the Minister himself, which causes the man to squirm a bit. "One can never be too careful, after all. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!"
The shout causes both of the others in the room to jump, though you, due to your constant exposure, are able to avoid it. After a few minutes of silence the conversation resumes again, now sticking to inconsequential topics, and before too long you're being ushered out. "Have to cut things short, Harry. Life of the Minister is always busy, I'm sure you understand!"
That... Seems to have been a bit of a waste of time.
Back at the house you plan out your plans for the final week before you head to Hogwarts.
[ ] Meet with Hermione to study
-[ ] Optional: Tell her about your gamer power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
[ ] Meet with Neville to hang out.
-[ ]Optional: Tell him about your gamer power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
[ ] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
-[ ] Optional: Tell Madam Bones about your Gamer Power(Takes 1 additional time slot, special event)
-[ ] Optional: Tell Susan about your Gamer Power(Takes 1 additional time slot, free if also telling Madam Bones, special event)
[ ] Tell someone else about your gamer power(special event)
-[ ] Write in who.
[ ] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[ ] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[ ] Buy more books(Specify muggle or magical. )
[ ] Run dungeons!
[ ] Work on gaining points in...(Write in stat, only one stat applies though a decent write in on how could give lesser bonuses to other stats)
[ ] Do mini-quests around the neighborhood(+rep with Privet Drive, +EXP, +British Pounds)
[ ] Work on gaining points in... (Write in two skills. Only two skills per time slot, though a decent write in on how can give lesser bonuses to other stats.)
[ ] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
[ ] Write a letter to... (Write-in. 1 is free, more requires a time slot, more than 5 requires 2.)
[ ] Write-in
I think we should do this.
[ ] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
However much of a prat the Dudley-one is he does not deserve to go through surgery just because we can't be bothered to fix Hagrid's joke.
[ ] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
However much of a prat the Dudley-one is he does not deserve to go through surgery just because we can't be bothered to fix Hagrid's joke.
AZATHOTHoth
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So can he track people in the castle with this?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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I wouldn't rule it out, but "monitor things" could mean anything from student discipline to whether or not the food's ready.
@Halpo133, given the debate, could we ask Moody his opinion on how secret we should keep our ability? Will that still cost a time unit if we say choose the Moody training.
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Also a more general question to everyone. Are there any politics/social/communication/etc type of skills we should seek to learn before school starts?
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Also a more general question to everyone. Are there any politics/social/communication/etc type of skills we should seek to learn before school starts?
Cyanios
Advice Eldar.
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[X] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
-[X] Second slot on Mad-Eye Moody.
[X] Meet with Hermione to study
[X] Meet with Neville to hang out.
[X] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
[X] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
-[X] Second slot on Mad-Eye Moody.
[X] Meet with Hermione to study
[X] Meet with Neville to hang out.
[X] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
Fredo
Climbing Mt Doom
Uh what? Harry Potter, among others, would have never been able take upper level potions, thus not becoming a healer or an auror, if Slughorn hadn't replaced Snape. Who knows how many people dropped potions as soon as they could due to Snape being an abusive asshole.
Don't know what school you went to, but fear is not a useful motivational tool. It means that the students avoid the teacher to the max extent possible and never will use the as a resource. It means that a teacher who terrifies their students isn't a teacher. Snape was a aweful teacher.
Snape, over his years of teaching, was probably the single person most responsible for decreasing the number of auror and healer candidates available.
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huh that went better than i thought
[X] Meet with Hermione to study
[X] Meet with Neville to hang out.
SOCIAL ACTIVITY
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail
as funny as it is no one deserves a pig tail
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
lets train
[X] visit the prank shopi n diagon ally
because those pranks are damn usefull and we might...require them in hogwarts
[X] Spar with moody with all of your skills x2
we should get Moody's advice on how to fight a serious battle against a wizard
[X] Meet with Hermione to study
[X] Meet with Neville to hang out.
SOCIAL ACTIVITY
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail
as funny as it is no one deserves a pig tail
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
lets train
[X] visit the prank shopi n diagon ally
because those pranks are damn usefull and we might...require them in hogwarts
[X] Spar with moody with all of your skills x2
we should get Moody's advice on how to fight a serious battle against a wizard
Dolores. Her name basically means PAINFUL SHADOW.
...hehehe. Leg up. Moody. That's funny, right there.
@Halpo133 Since each action constitutes a whole day, can't we buy both magical and muggle things with one action, as a shopping day? Specifically, I'd like to know what magical items we might be able to buy in Diagon Alley, and perhaps down Knockturn Alley (should be totally safe with Moody following). Not to mention that Gringotts handles money exchange between Wizard and Muggle currencties.
Another question, will the figuring out how to use menus silently also achieve us exploring them, and finding the Settings menu, or does that need to be a seperate option.
Third question, did you ever decide if skill-books copied with the Gemini Curse count as Skill-books or not?
Another question, will the figuring out how to use menus silently also achieve us exploring them, and finding the Settings menu, or does that need to be a seperate option.
Third question, did you ever decide if skill-books copied with the Gemini Curse count as Skill-books or not?
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I admit it's been a while since I've read the books, so my info may be faulty, but the feeling I got was that he didn't really plan that. I don't think he expected everything to happen as fast as it did.
We've already discussed how First Year was a ploy to trap Voldie's shade with his own desire, and Second Year was a Malfoy plot, and Third Year was the culmination of a thirteen-year-old comedy of errors.
The point where Dumbledore probably gave up on letting Harry live a normal, happy life (to the best of his knowledge) was the fiasco with the Goblet of Fire. When an ancient, powerful artifact broke its own rules to put Harry in danger, he (rightly) assumed it had to do with Voldemort, and decided that Fate couldn't be fought, and started preparing for the next war. When Voldemort came back, he tried to drum up support, but old wounds were still fresh, and no one wanted to hear about the Wizarding Boogeyman come back to life.
This point between Fourth and Fifth year was when he started up the old Order again, I think. He probably knew about the DA, and simultaneously was happy about how Harry was preparing his students and saddened by the fact that it had gotten to this point. At this point, most of the original plans are in shambles, most of the Wizarding World is uncooperative, and the timetable had been moved up. Then comes the Battle at the Ministry, and Dumbledore again wins a somewhat phyrric victory. The Ministry is forced to recognize the return of the Dark Lord, at the cost of the one person Harry thought of as true family, his godfather.
Again Dumbledore is at odds with himself, hurting because this boy he watched grow up is in such pain, sickened that he considers that day to be net plus, and hopeful that something can be done with the aid of the Ministry. He settled some affairs for the summer with the Order, and went Horcrux-hunting. Having found the Gaunt ring, probably entranced by the Ressurection Stone, he puts it on his finger, and becomes lethally cursed.
Being the biggest wrinkle in his plans yet, which is saying something, he starts to put his affairs in order, giving Snape the orders to kill him should it become necessary, orchestrating Occlumency lessons for Harry (that didn't take), and taking Harry to the one other location he knew about, to set Harry on the path to finish his work after he dies. He leaves all the clues he can in the only way he can, in a way that seems perfectly innocuous to any spying Death Eaters. The Light-Out, the Snitch, and The Tales of Beedle the Bard, if my memory serves. At any point before his reappearance at Heavenly Kings Cross, I'm not sure Dumbledore ever knew about Harrycrux.
Again, it's been a long time since I've read the books, so I might be wrong, But I don't think martyrdom of any kind was in his plan, before his curse, or even before he died.
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[X] Run dungeons!
-[X] Start taking on zombies in groups. Start with 2 zombies at once, then three and keep adding until you reach the point where the numbers are almost but not quire overwhelming.
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[X] Work on gaining points in...(Write in stat, only one stat applies though a decent write in on how could give lesser bonuses to other stats)
-[X] Read books while doing pushups.
[X] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
[X] Buy a book on how to subvocalize .
[X] Make an ID and pick the locks on Privet Drive
-[X] Start taking on zombies in groups. Start with 2 zombies at once, then three and keep adding until you reach the point where the numbers are almost but not quire overwhelming.
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[X] Work on gaining points in...(Write in stat, only one stat applies though a decent write in on how could give lesser bonuses to other stats)
-[X] Read books while doing pushups.
[X] Do chores for the Dursleys. They're too afraid now that you're a wizard and have Moody looming as a dire threat to demand it, but they're still family. Rubbish family, but family.(+relationship with Dursleys, +relationship with Privet Drive, possible stat bonuses)
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
[X] Buy a book on how to subvocalize .
[X] Make an ID and pick the locks on Privet Drive
The enter bar is your friend.
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AZATHOTHoth
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I forgot but weren't we trying to use our gamer skills mentally instead of saying them out loud?
Harry is not a representative case because Snape loathed him personally. This is the last I will say on the subject as it is getting off topic.
[X] Have Moody remove Dudley's Tail(+relationship with Dudley, -amusement from Dudley having a pig's tail)
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
-[X] Second slot on Mad-Eye Moody.
[X] Do mini-quests around the neighborhood(+rep with Privet Drive, +EXP, +British Pounds)
[X] Buy more books(muggle)
[X] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
[X] Run dungeons!
Get the last things done on the muggle side before we leave.
We can do anything except training with Moody at Hogwarts, but we got no muggle books for a year.
[X] Train with Mad-Eye Moody(Increase to defense, and potential of increase to physical stats)
-[X] Second slot on Mad-Eye Moody.
[X] Do mini-quests around the neighborhood(+rep with Privet Drive, +EXP, +British Pounds)
[X] Buy more books(muggle)
[X] Meet with Madam Bones and Susan
[X] Run dungeons!
Get the last things done on the muggle side before we leave.
We can do anything except training with Moody at Hogwarts, but we got no muggle books for a year.
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Sorry, I'm stuck using my phone for now, I didn't realize how wall-of-texty I got. I'll clean that up a bit.
solodark28
If only I could have done things differently
Moody is the best, no need to give information to possible snitches.
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Heh, Moody really saved us there. doloros knowing where we live would have been bad.
Also, choosing not to tell Dumbledore allowed us to maintain coherent in character behavior (we are specious of adult power figures, both Dumbledore and minister... CONSTANT VIGILANCE!)
I really like Moody's character too, I hope he develops into a father figure for harry
Also, choosing not to tell Dumbledore allowed us to maintain coherent in character behavior (we are specious of adult power figures, both Dumbledore and minister... CONSTANT VIGILANCE!)
I really like Moody's character too, I hope he develops into a father figure for harry