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The Morrsley Village Experiment

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To be fair I'd be fine with a Shadell claim. Something about his claim has been making think it's false.
 
ondine said:
So I'm fairly certain Shadell isn't on my town side. If we're calling your side T2, @Nictis do you think she's one of yours, or is she a third group?
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She's claimed the same win con as you, that everyone else must die. So either she's on your side or she's on another, it doesn't match mine.

On phone, leaving work right now. Will finish catching up when I get home
 
ondine said:
Dude. You haven't had an opinion for three days. And as soon as I finger you, you decide I'm sketchy for... Pushing pressure on others? To.. keep .. attention.. off ...myself ..huh that looks familiar.
Where have I seen that happen in the last thirty seconds?
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Sooo....Deflection and unwillingness to engage with discussion against you? You mean scum tactics right?

Cyricubed said:
Shadell claim
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I meant Lynch
 
Right now, if I were to shift my vote to anyone, i would probably be @ondine . They've moved from pushing a Shadell lynch suggesting Nictis and Shadell were a team, to pushing a @Cyricubed lynch on Shadell's suggestion very quickly, and has stated an intention to make sure someone gets lynched today.

Given the atypical nature of the set up, I am not 100% sure that the indifference to who gets lynched isn't part of their wincon.
 
I'd still prefer no lynch today. The set up is a lot weirder than it seemed from the information I had at start of day.
 
Claimed Test Subject:
Shadell
Cyricubed
Ondine
Interstellar Hobo
-Rosen

Claimed Control Group:
Nictis

Have I missed/mislabeled anybody?
 
mesonoxian said:
Right now, if I were to shift my vote to anyone, i would probably be @ondine . They've moved from pushing a Shadell lynch suggesting Nictis and Shadell were a team, to pushing a @Cyricubed lynch on Shadell's suggestion very quickly, and has stated an intention to make sure someone gets lynched today.

Given the atypical nature of the set up, I am not 100% sure that the indifference to who gets lynched isn't part of their wincon.
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I don't want a null because I worry it will end the game.
I was hard on Shadell but she eventually answered my questions. And I think we all pretty much trust Nictus's claim. Maybe I'm sheeple and I trust him because he was my team before but he seems genuine.

Cyri has been someone I found suspicious for a while. I've mentioned it before. I had my vote on him for a while. It's almost EoD. I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is. And right now if I'm feeling more inclined to trust Shadell given her responses today and I can't vote chopshop and I am worried null will end the game then.. what exactly am I supposed to do but switch to the other person I've found suspicious?

For goodness sakes people.i know I have not played well. I'm trying to fix that, but it's less than 2 hours to EoD and the only person I know is town for sure is me. And probably Hobo. So what's a girl to do?
mesonoxian said:
Claimed Test Subject:
Shadell
Cyricubed
Ondine
Interstellar Hobo
-Rosen

Claimed Control Group:
Nictis

Have I missed/mislabeled anybody?
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I think biggerfish said she was Test? But I might be wrong. I'll check.
 
I never explicitly claimed test subject i dont think but yeah you're right about that
 
Three posts twig me as scummy.
Important Note: I am going to use 'Town' to refer to Test Subjects, as that's the perception I was under. I'll try to adress the points where this creates discrepancies.

First, these two posts really don't make sense to me under any perspective except fishing.
I was pretty blatant about my claim "town should know this." Assuming you're a Test Subject, it's not super tough to figure out what this is referring to.
I do not believe I did anything that would give Test Subjects the impression I was more informed than them.
Cyricubed said:
You both have more or less openly admitted to knowing something...which I can't understand why you both did that back to back. It's just painted a target on your backs so I almost want to press for an explanation here.
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Cyricubed said:
This, but it's more along the lines that you've both gone ahead and done so but in sense that your both giving the impression your more informed than the rest of us...which leads me initially to think scum trying to look like informed town. Or you could really be informed town which your play footing around with the info and revealed you have such.
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It's theoretically possible this is trying to not look like a Test Subject, but if so it was done in a way that seems extremely unhelpful.


And then this post, which comes after the major reveal, and argues that I'm lying while having mischaracterized or blatantly false information. I have not quoted all of the post, not all of it is necessarily bogus.
Cyricubed said:
And vaguely claiming to know information and then evading the whole thing isn't?
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I had always claimed this was information that all town should have had.


Cyricubed said:
Except I'm not? You've hinted you have information, and then have been saying that giving out that information will paint a target on your back when I pointed out that by hinting you have said information you have already put said target on your back in the first place. There is no posting past death if you look in the rules, you can't get lynched and reveal your grand scheme there.
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I had at no point said giving out that information would paint a target on my back. In fact, I argued to the contrary. My reasons for not giving out that information was to make fake claims harder. I had been I think quite clear about this.

Cyricubed said:
Your already a target if your town, It isn't good to do a half reveal of oh hey I have information pertinent to the game/town and then also say: No revealing that information is bad for town because then your just confusing people and it's exceptionally aggrevating.
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There is again the perception that I (or ondine) had information that town did not. If Cyric is a Test Subject, they are either the densest buffoon (let's rule that out, it's a dreadfully mean assumption), they are going too far in their charade of 'not a Test Subject guise', or they intuited 'split-town' setup and this is honest advice. The last makes no sense, because if this is honest advice they should have acted on it themselves.


Cyricubed said:
No. It's not. Imagine a set-up with two town factions but no scum. Is there actually and difference between town or no?
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This is interesting. Doesn't support my point, but it's interesting enough to point out.

Cyricubed said:
Except meso didn't really go with it like Ondine did, I can excpect Ondine to go with it especially in a world of !scum IH and ondine. Buuut more on this later.
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No more on this appeared. It's also wrong.
mesonoxian said:
I haven't noticed anything significant being leaked.

The important part was that information in the town rolecard makes a town-only game impossible. Revealing exactly what that information is will only help people who didn't get a town role card.

Now go eat!
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mesonoxian said:
I am pretty much 100% certain that isn't the case.
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mesonoxian said:
Read through @I just write 's posts clarifying things since Day 1 started. I don't think they leave any room for that possibility.
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Meso didn't run with it like ondine did, but they were fairly obvious about knowing what I was talking about and confirming it.
This is also an extremely odd tactic for a Test Subject to take.
 
Looking back, I think there are explanations other than Cyric is a mafio. I want to see what they say before my thoughts on that front though.
 
mesonoxian said:
Given the atypical nature of the set up, I am not 100% sure that the indifference to who gets lynched isn't part of their wincon.
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On second thought you're not completely wrong. I need everyone who isn't a test subject to die. So frankly the smartest cleanest vote would be Nictis since by his own admission he isn't one.
I think there has to be a third faction though otherwise what even is the game play? And I'm betting they have more teeth so I would prefer it if we could kill them.
 
Got recruited to help with Dinner, might not be back in time. Tag me with anything important.
 
To the first part: fishing...for what, exactly?

To the overall post: Personally the whole "I have information that I'm not going to reveal" thing went over my head at first, and I think the same thing happened with Cyri, explaining why he tried to press it so hard. Someone not knowing exactly what you're talking about isn't really indicative of anything imo, since this is a fairly specific piece of information picked out to use. You could have just as easily used the flavor of Test Subject itself as the hidden information for some other purpose, and I think the same confusion could have potentially been present.

I personally don't think there's really anything here. I'm gonna stick with Shadell.
 
Claimed Test Subject:
Shadell
Cyricubed
Ondine
Interstellar Hobo
-Rosen
TheBiggerFish


Claimed Control Group:
Nictis

Unclaimed:
Mesonoxian
Tykan
RaptorusMaximus
OneStopChopShop
ItzNarcotic
Hybrid
 
Right now the only person claiming Control Group is @Nictis. That is worrying, given the entire fake role he constructed in Game of Crowns.

I still tend to believe him, but I know he's good enough that creating a faction on the fly and getting everyone to buy it is within his abilities. If anybody can back that claim up it would be useful (if still not 100% confirming.)
 
mesonoxian said:
Right now the only person claiming Control Group is @Nictis. That is worrying, given the entire fake role he constructed in Game of Crowns.

I still tend to believe him, but I know he's good enough that creating a faction on the fly and getting everyone to buy it is within his abilities. If anybody can back that claim up it would be useful (if still not 100% confirming.)
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Are you saying you can't back that role?

Because if you can't. And you're not claiming Test Subject, which I think at this point you would have done since having 7 seems highly unlikely, and you could be reasonably sure there was at least one liar... that would make you something else?
 
ondine said:
Are you saying you can't back that role?

Because if you can't. And you're not claiming Test Subject, which I think at this point you would have done since having 7 seems highly unlikely, and you could be reasonably sure there was at least one liar... that would make you something else?
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I don't intend on claiming at this point.
 
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