The Morrsley Village Experiment

[Tundra Sniper]

Bleh. I'm tired...

Fuck it. Feel free to poke me with questions of dubious quality. I don't have anything else to do while I'm awake, and I've found that trying to form the rest of my reads while sick is mildly difficult to do.

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I can't be throwing rocks because I need to be getting more hours of sleep to. I blame YouTube for this.

 

[Cyricubed]

IH asking if there's only Town feels like something scum would say really early on to get implicit Town cred. Thoughts?

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I don't view the NAI. Town could ask that in abject curiosity and scum could ask that to simply obscure things. We've cases in closed games where trying to figure out what town exactly means was difficult...especially the all survivor 2-man masons game...especially hard on me as I was the only one without a mason that game.

Right, an explanation. I was in fact fishing, for something very specific, and trying to hide that fact.
I was trying to confirm that Shadell, specifically, thought a town only situation was plausible. Others thinking likewise would also be interesting, if less indicative.

Because it isn't town only, and town should know that.

[X] Lynch Shadell

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Sorry using rolecard interpretations to create an argument is not a good way to go about this IH.

Wait IH is a genius wtf

I couldn't have even hoped to think about the route he took with this so early on. Hard agree on IH Town here.

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x - Doubt

I'm saying that I'm not scum... you said my having scum reads was scummy and I said not having any reads/not really trying was way more scummy. I didn't say that you were doing it.

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Problem with saying your not scum is well...everyone is going to say that. Even scum.

#provemewrongyouwont!

13 players is where I would assume a 3-person scum team, with the possibility of a hostile third-party role in the mix.

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I agree with this.

I figured you and ondine were in communication and trying to get scum to pretend to know what you were talking about when you just made it up dood!

I wasn't told anything that would explicitly mean there were more factions than just the one, it's just the base assumption I've been running with dood!

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Very clumsy if so.

Can confirm..not what is happening with IH and I. Also, just because Nictis is reading Shadell as town does not mean he's right. Frankly, I do not believe he is. I think he and Shadell working together is more likely.
If Nictis were who he is pretending to be he would find Shadell sus.

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Not really, and now your pushing IH's point to the point of a golden absolution, No. I'll go ahead and flat out say just because something is easily stated this doesn't make it true...More on this soon.

Also, I'm curious as to people's thoughts on IJWs wincon thing. I found it enlightening.

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Really? Elaborate please.

I said that town shouldn't respond to the question because it is bait and it serves town not to self-identify in any overly substantive way just yet, to which you confirmed that the obvious bait was, in fact, bait and now declared my scum because I avoided taking the bait and self-identifying. The play was clever, but you 100% should not have done it this early, or interpreted the results as strongly as you have. In doing so, you've prompted ondine, Meso and -Rosen to soft-claim town, as anyone who says they understand the specifics here is implicitly doing. This doesn't help town.

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I disagree with the very last statement. It's easy for someone to agree with a general statement that people are accepting as a truth just to not seem suspect.

Cyri is a vet, so I think it's fair to expect them to step up a bit, but they've barely said a word all day. That might be style, I wouldn't know, but there's something a bit suspect in that. Given that afaik, Raptor is a newb, Cyricubed would be my vote if we had to lynch right now, but that's a very very slight read.

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*shrug* I've been focusing on having a quiet D1 start the last few games and building up as the day draws closer to end. Don't expect the exact same out of every vet, also you shouldn't rely on vets to lead the charge, if you do that you blind yourself to the danger they are as well when they're scum leading town into their own self-destruction.

@ those of you who are confused do not let Nictis pocket you. He's very smart and this is absolutely a strategy.

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Blatant Fearmongering here.

I should point out.. that if town should know there's more than town.. everyone should. Because either you're town and you know for unspecified reasons. Or you aren't town, and uh duh, you know there's not just town since that's you.

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Not really, see 1st paragraph. In addition there has been a game with two flavors of town.

This post is interesting for the extraneous "how" in the first sentence. Like it was initially going to say "we don't know how many scum factions there might be" before you thought better of it and decided to pretend to a greater degree of ignorance than was actually the case.

I don't know whether that is scum indicative or not, but it says something about what information you considered potentially dangerous.

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No, its a fairly innocuous statement I think. Unless you know how many factions are in the game then the point is a valid thought process. How many scum are in game? How many different factions exist? Are there only 1 scum faction and a town faction? Are there weird 3P's mixed in? Is there 2 scum faction? Don't limit yourself by poisoning the well of thought. Think openly and flexible, otherwise you'll be too tunnel visioned to see everything.

I'm largely ignoring the Day 1/Night 1 Courtesies this game dood!

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With 3 vets that's fair, I'd still extend it to the 2 pure newbies though, everyone else is fair game.

What is town? Is the real scum the darkness inside the human heart? Is time a flat circle? Was the real town the friends we made along the way? Is there a town? How can mirrors be real if town isn't real?!

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Spoiler: Why...

I've been Town Reading Shadell dood!

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Why? I'm curious on this. *Prinny has recieved one time use large RPG text box item*

Is it actually? Sorry if I got it wrong, was just saying it off what I thought I had played

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To be fair, you ended up disappearing in the middle of a few of those.

It's ... The only info we have. What else exactly are we supposed to be using? There's no other solve for the game it's all hidden.

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If you expect to solve the game on day 1 then your shooting way too high. Remember it's a social game, focus on peoples interactions, how they're acting. Why they're pushing certain points and why they are ignoring others. The Night phase is for mechanical info. We can hope something like a cop gets a good catch on scum but we shouldn't rely on it...especially with SV's luck of having cops die N1 or N2.

Look, it's not a like.. a test everyone is subject to. Most people haven't answered any questions at all. But what exactly do you suggest we discuss so that we can determine who is and isn't being scummy?

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--V This. And sometimes you need to just create noise to generate discussion if stuff gets stale. Don't obfuscate things with noise mind you.

Discuss interactions between people, discuss the things that people have tried to do to get things rolling. What you're doing isn't a test of whether someone is acting scummy, it's a test of "do you have a Town role card or not"

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Right, so main thoughts...I'm not liking Ondine's play...it feels oppurtunistic after having jumped on IH's lynch, followed by segments of advising people to not trust nictis in ways that I feel are fearmongering. Along with the following IH's part it's like bludgeoning: "Town should have this info!" stick when really that's vague and not 100% guaranteed. IJW's last game had a Plague Demon but only 1 character even knew of a Demon existing in the game. And even then when that player announced it day 1 we were so focused on killing the demon that no one thought to look for the actual

Nictis's play is also off and that's...mainly because lack of text walls/Detailed sentences...Prinny should get a bigger RPG text box or start a cutscene dood.

I want to see some more from @InterstellarHobo as they haven't done much since their push. Liking -Rosen's responses so far.

 

[mesonoxian]

No, its a fairly innocuous statement I think. Unless you know how many factions are in the game then the point is a valid thought process. How many scum are in game? How many different factions exist? Are there only 1 scum faction and a town faction? Are there weird 3P's mixed in? Is there 2 scum faction? Don't limit yourself by poisoning the well of thought. Think openly and flexible, otherwise you'll be too tunnel visioned to see everything.

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It is. I still think it is relevant, given that a lot of the scum reads on Shadell right now are based on her being willing to posit a "town only" set up.

 

[Nictis]

Been going in and out of sleep again dood!
My views have become somewhat dependent on the answer to my question, but I'm also finding myself growing more paranoid about a potential cult dood!
I blame @Shadell for that dood!
Will try to catch up now, might fall asleep again dood!

Don't know if @ondine is Town or Scum yet, but my main suspects are @TheBiggerFish and @Hybrid if we are dealing with Cult dood!

 

[CTRosen]

No, it is specifically a test of whether someone will make an error while pretending to be town, but jumping on an obviously inaccurate speculation that town has implicit assurance isn't true. That isn't quite the same as "what's the sixth word on your role card" or something like that.

IH pretended to a greater degree of ignorance about the set up than makes sense for a townie. Anybody who goes along with it marks themselves as "not a townie". Not because they lack any information about the set up, but because they are unclear on what town knows about the set up. I think that is pretty damned clever and well within the spirit of things. It doesn't rely on demanding people confirm some bit of information, it lays a trap by pretending to be more ignorant than you are and letting scum reveal themselves by trying to exploit it.

Of course, it isn't bullet proof. Someone might be a survivor instead of scum. They might be a town allied role that got very different information, they might be a VT who didn't think too hard about the implications of their rolecard. But it definitely puts a spotlight on some people as more suspicious than the rest, and suggests they should be pushed further.

Somebody is probably getting lynched today. I think we should do what we can to see it isn't a townie.

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I mean it wasn't IH's play that I had a problem with, it was when it was extended after we had already established what he was trying to do with it that I started taking issue.

@ondine you are my top scumread right now for what you've been trying to do to extend the IH play. And your whole "so you're telling me to do what I've been doing" is kinda BS since there are plenty of other things we can discuss related to what I said that don't have any direct correlation with role card/ice cream information.

As for other reads, I have hard-town on IH still, null-town on Nictis, and a slightly stronger town-lean on Hybrid (feels like he who means well but isn't articulating well enough to get through as such). Hard-null on Shadell, and the others I haven't formed much of an opinion on yet.

 

[CTRosen]

x - Doubt

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I actually tend to skim my role card and then ignore it for the rest of time so I'm actually not bullshitting you here lmao

 

[Hybrid]

Been going in and out of sleep again dood!
My views have become somewhat dependent on the answer to my question, but I'm also finding myself growing more paranoid about a potential cult dood!
I blame @Shadell for that dood!
Will try to catch up now, might fall asleep again dood!

Don't know if @ondine is Town or Scum yet, but my main suspects are @TheBiggerFish and @Hybrid if we are dealing with Cult dood!

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Is the reason you're sus of me because I "Wagoned" you even though I was a second vote and clearly a meme vote or is there anything else

 

[ondine]

Look, either I went too hard on this role card thing from the beginning, or I went opportunistic and went after IH's comment like a dog with a bone. It can't be both?

For what it's worth I did not know using role cards was shitty play. I will lighten up on that.

Anyway, I find people's interactions really interesting. And people's reads. The people whose responses I like least I also seem to share very few reads with. I find it interesting that one of the more involved and talkative players, Shadell, is being given by both Rosen and Cyri a pretty hard null read. You got nothing from all that, but you think I am super scummy?

I also want to point out @Cyricubed that you literally told Shadell not to trust the vets because they could be scum leading town array. And then in the next sentence called me blatantly fear mongering for saying that very thing about Nictis (who is playing weirdly with the dumb prinny thing, and there are newbies who may not know how smart he is).

Finally, I don't remember who asked it, but I found IJWs comments very interesting because I asked a question about my wincon and that is how and what he chose to respond with. Make of that what you will. That should be enough information to keep people talking.

 

[CTRosen]

I have Shadell at hard null because he's given both sides of the table from my perspective, those being his initial reaction to IH's play (negative), and his response to the pressure he received, which I found sufficient (positive). That's why I actually mentioned him in my reads instead of just lumping him with the rest of the players I don't have anything solid on yet.

Also this "fearmongering" is a LOT different than just saying "don't trust vets." You actively pointed out things Nictis was doing in order to say "don't trust this vet!!" You literally told people not to let Nictis pocket you on a statement that couldn't possibly be him pocketing.

 

[ondine]

Okay, so I've seen several people suggest they know what is being talked about, and several who don't seem to know dood.

I'm going to outright say that I'm more suspicious of the first group than the second, because it's really easy to nod along without actually knowing dood!

I also don't know what is being referred to here, which is kinda concerning dood!

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He's telling people who are confused that it's ok, he too doesn't know and why yes we are being so terribly sus. He is trying to tell people how to feel about being confused and why. How is that not pocketing?

Also, Shadell, Thebiggerfish, and I are all women. Just for future reference. I find it confusing when people are using he and it's a woman

 

[CTRosen]

Our definitions of what pocketing is are different then, because I see it as a specific attempt to get others to view you more favorably via direct appeal to emotion (in this case, positive reinforcement, usually via a direct town-read). With how indirect that post is (given that he is talking in groups, rather than specific people, I don't qualify that as even an attempt at pocketing.

 

[Nictis]

Are you actually serious?

It's ... The only info we have. What else exactly are we supposed to be using? There's no other solve for the game it's all hidden.

(I will catch up on the rest of the thread and respond. Just saw this and had to say something.)

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I think the issue is that you're trying to solve the game during Day 1 dood!
Hobo made the claim that there is something Town knows that tells Town that they can't be alone dood!
He then used that to state that Shadell cannot be Town, which you've jumped onto dood!
So the entire argument against Shadell hasn't been that they were acting scummy, but that they didn't have certain privileged information dood!
Which would be believable, except that they gave an explanation for why they weren't answering that before which went ignored and I openly admitted to not having that information dood!

Look, it's not a like.. a test everyone is subject to. Most people haven't answered any questions at all. But what exactly do you suggest we discuss so that we can determine who is and isn't being scummy?

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Shadell, Hobo, ondine, Nictis, Rosen, Hybrid, and Meso is like half the people dood!
You're not like, directly holding a gun to people's heads, but it is the only argument presented so far for why some people are scum and it's getting responses dood!
The only reason I'm so focused on it is because it's actually pretty relevant to me dood!
In general I find this kind of play to be kinda shady dood!
Not like, directly scummy, but like... bad for the game dood!

Saying that you agree with what I said/think you know what I mean but then asking me to clear it up explicitly for you is not actually indicative of you being town. As multiple people have mentioned you could be lying and this could be a very easy lie that you're trying to leverage into more concrete information.

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no u, dood!

You mean the things like discuss role cards and ask for ice cream flavors and try to figure out the mechanics of the game based on what they know and what they can guess. Ok. I will continue to do that.

Why don't you show instead of tell. What are some of your reads?

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You've activated my trap card dood, Reverse! ! !... Dood!
Give me your thoughts on people in a way that's unrelated to rolecard info dood!
If you've got a reason other than me saying dood or not having that info to scumread me, share dood!
And why were you scumreading Shadell from the start of the Day dood? It should be easy enough to point out dood!
And if you were to assume that Scum were given a copy of a Town rolecard, a pretty common practice here in order to prevent these shenanigans, would you still be Town Reading Hobo so hard dood?

Just ask it. I'm not feeling well today and I'd rather you just be blunt with me.

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Not sure how to ask the question I want to ask in a way that's productive dood!
So for now, what is it that you and everyone else are talking about that Town should know dood? Or rather, how did you find out dood?
Is it something that the Professor told you, or something that the GM told you dood? I'm not asking for details here dood!

No, it is specifically a test of whether someone will make an error while pretending to be town, but jumping on an obviously inaccurate speculation that town has implicit assurance isn't true. That isn't quite the same as "what's the sixth word on your role card" or something like that.

IH pretended to a greater degree of ignorance about the set up than makes sense for a townie. Anybody who goes along with it marks themselves as "not a townie". Not because they lack any information about the set up, but because they are unclear on what town knows about the set up. I think that is pretty damned clever and well within the spirit of things. It doesn't rely on demanding people confirm some bit of information, it lays a trap by pretending to be more ignorant than you are and letting scum reveal themselves by trying to exploit it.

Of course, it isn't bullet proof. Someone might be a survivor instead of scum. They might be a town allied role that got very different information, they might be a VT who didn't think too hard about the implications of their rolecard. But it definitely puts a spotlight on some people as more suspicious than the rest, and suggests they should be pushed further.

Somebody is probably getting lynched today. I think we should do what we can to see it isn't a townie.

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It took me a second to realize, but we had the same thoughts about Hobo just at different points dood!
I was thinking it was the point of Town knowing something about the setup that was them playing pretend, but you are saying it was the initial bait that was them playing pretend dood!
I was going to say that this didn't match what you said earlier, but it did dood!
So... Nevermind dood!

Very clumsy if so.

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It was, but it kinda looked like an initial reaction before checking a message kind of clumsy dood!
Feeling it less now though dood!

Blatant Fearmongering here.

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Combo that with the repeated mentions of me being scum earlier, and ignoring me stating that I don't have... Whatever they're saying Town has and it's really weird, right dood?!

With 3 vets that's fair, I'd still extend it to the 2 pure newbies though, everyone else is fair game.

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Normal courtesies only leave four potential targets dood! And even then it's pretty gray, if we're doing it more clear cut there's only one acceptable lynch/nightkill dood!
Not looking like it'll be an issue though dood!

Why? I'm curious on this. *Prinny has recieved one time use large RPG text box item*

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Thanks dood!
I'm making good use of it dood! I saw this before I went back and so let myself just do a proper catchup post dood!

I've already explained why I was Townreading Shadell for the most part dood!
I don't particularly like some of what they've been doing, but it's similar to what she's done before dood!
She's been overly concerned with the meme rules, and I don't like how she was pushing to try and get me to reveal more info right from the start dood!
But it doesn't feel suspicious to me dood! And her response to Hobo and Ondine is good, dood!
It's largely a gut read rather than anything substantial, but I'm not feeling a scum Shadell dood!

Nictis's play is also off and that's...mainly because lack of text walls/Detailed sentences...Prinny should get a bigger RPG text box or start a cutscene dood.

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Prinny, dood!

It is. I still think it is relevant, given that a lot of the scum reads on Shadell right now are based on her being willing to posit a "town only" set up.

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I'm pointing out again that I still don't see anything that actually contradicts it dood!
It's a bad assumption to run with, but I'm not seeing anything that actually says it's wrong dood!

Is the reason you're sus of me because I "Wagoned" you even though I was a second vote and clearly a meme vote or is there anything else

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General scum feeling dood!
I don't like your response to ondine and Hobo dood!
I also don't like how you've been defending people dood!
And your skepticism towards me calling you on wagoning is amusing, since it matches previous scum behavior from you dood!
But I will admit, it's not the strongest link dood!

Look, either I went too hard on this role card thing from the beginning, or I went opportunistic and went after IH's comment like a dog with a bone. It can't be both?

For what it's worth I did not know using role cards was shitty play. I will lighten up on that.

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*hugs*
I can't tell if you're scum pretending to know the information or if you're actually Town dood! It could go either way in my eyes here dood!

Anyway, I find people's interactions really interesting. And people's reads. The people whose responses I like least I also seem to share very few reads with. I find it interesting that one of the more involved and talkative players, Shadell, is being given by both Rosen and Cyri a pretty hard null read. You got nothing from all that, but you think I am super scummy?

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I do note that you seemed to find me not agreeing with you to be a sign that me and Shadell are teamed dood!

I also want to point out @Cyricubed that you literally told Shadell not to trust the vets because they could be scum leading town array. And then in the next sentence called me blatantly fear mongering for saying that very thing about Nictis (who is playing weirdly with the dumb prinny thing, and there are newbies who may not know how smart he is).

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"Be careful" and "He has a plan! Don't let him pocket you! Scum Scum Scum Scummy Scum!" is a bit different dood!
It didn't actually engage with my post, which going by your statement that it's information all Town has should have had you trying to lynch me dood!
You were responding to me claiming to not have the information, the exact reason you were calling Shadell non-Town, by telling people not to get pocketed dood!
So is this information that Town has or not dood?!
The fear that I'm going to be pocketing people who don't have that information makes it seem more doubtful dood!

Finally, I don't remember who asked it, but I found IJWs comments very interesting because I asked a question about my wincon and that is how and what he chose to respond with. Make of that what you will. That should be enough information to keep people talking.

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That probably means he was responding to you dood!
So you probably shouldn't have shared that dood!?

He's telling people who are confused that it's ok, he too doesn't know and why yes we are being so terribly sus. He is trying to tell people how to feel about being confused and why. How is that not pocketing?

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I feel like you're ignoring me repeatedly stating that I think Scum could pretend to understand dood!
And I'm directly stating that I don't know what you're saying all Town know, so why are you concerned about Town being pocketed by me saying that dood?!

 

[Cyricubed]

I also want to point out @Cyricubed that you literally told Shadell not to trust the vets because they could be scum leading town array. And then in the next sentence called me blatantly fear mongering for saying that very thing about Nictis (who is playing weirdly with the dumb prinny thing, and there are newbies who may not know how smart he is).

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Read the below again

Don't expect the exact same out of every vet, also you shouldn't rely on vets to lead the charge, if you do that you blind yourself to the danger they are as well when they're scum leading town into their own self-destruction.

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My point there is that we have enough newer players that I'm advising them against letting vets do the work for them and that they need to make their own arguments and voice their opinions on what's being discussed. If you just go with the flow without really putting your two cents in then your easily swayable and scum will see that as an asset to their advantage. My 1st team scum game got won because we eliminated enough of the vets that it Me, another scummate vet, and a single town vet alive. The two vets pushing on one person managed to sway people more on our veteran status rather than the actual arguments. The Town vet had a seriously valid argument on why we both were scum, but it got overlooked horribly. The end result of what I'm saying is think for yourself and don't just start following a trend. Don't rely on someone else to do analysis and work that you could do instead. Even if it's not the best at start that's fine. No one starts perfect, it's how you grow that shows your a good player.

Now in regards to what you were doing...It was this as a TDLR: "Hey see this guy? Don't trust him he's obviously trying to pocket you! He does this all the time!" That's the fearmongering.

 

[Nictis]

My 1st team scum game got won because we eliminated enough of the vets that it Me, another scummate vet, and a single town vet alive. The two vets pushing on one person managed to sway people more on our veteran status rather than the actual arguments. The Town vet had a seriously valid argument on why we both were scum, but it got overlooked horribly.

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That was Happy Forest Mafia, right dood?

 

[Cyricubed]

I've already explained why I was Townreading Shadell for the most part dood!
I don't particularly like some of what they've been doing, but it's similar to what she's done before dood!
She's been overly concerned with the meme rules, and I don't like how she was pushing to try and get me to reveal more info right from the start dood!
But it doesn't feel suspicious to me dood! And her response to Hobo and Ondine is good, dood!
It's largely a gut read rather than anything substantial, but I'm not feeling a scum Shadell dood!

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I'd agree however some people are excellent at appearing like their normal play despite being scum. An example of this is 1K actually dood!

That was Happy Forest Mafia, right dood?

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No dood!
That was QT's LotR Mafia game dood!

 

[Nictis]

I'd agree however some people are excellent at appearing like their normal play despite being scum. An example of this is 1K actually dood!

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*shrug*
I'm Townreading Shadell dood!

 

[Hybrid]

Quick clarification on Wagoning. In games that I've been a part of before this, Wagoning was when you were the third or fourth person to jump on a vote, am I wrong in this

 

[Cyricubed]

That was QT's LotR Mafia game dood!

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Although Admittedly there was a very irrational player who helped us cinch that.

 

[Cyricubed]

Quick clarification on Wagoning. In games that I've been a part of before this, Wagoning was when you were the third or fourth person to jump on a vote, am I wrong in this

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Mainly just means jumping on a growing lynch group, for good or bad reasons.

 

[Nictis]

Quick clarification on Wagoning. In games that I've been a part of before this, Wagoning was when you were the third or fourth person to jump on a vote, am I wrong in this

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Mainly just means jumping on a growing lynch group, for good or bad reasons.

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What Cyri said, I'm mostly suspicious of you doing it because it was a bad habit of yours when scum to join nearly any growing wagon with the flimsiest of reasons and parrot those before you for why, dood.

 

[Tundra Sniper]

Well, I don't like confrontations and arguments, but I feel compelled to at least put SOMETHING down. I've been getting slight scum reads on ondine and Shadell. The way they've been playing thus far just seems suspicious to me.

 

[Hybrid]

What Cyri said, I'm mostly suspicious of you doing it because it was a bad habit of yours when scum to join nearly any growing wagon with the flimsiest of reasons and parrot those before you for why, dood.

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That's fair tbh, I did that a lot during my other mafia games but my vote against you was purely for Le memes

 

[ondine]

@Nictis I cannot explicitly tell you what Shadell said that made me so wary of her right away because it would be revealing more than I want to reveal. I'm not going to do it right now unless I absolutely have to.

And I thought the way you responded to her questions looked sus because you bled information right off the bat in a way that seemed too obvious and considered. Aka that it was on purpose. (Also, I missed the text walls but my should I be careful what I wish for, eh? )

I will say that Shadell has made me consider the small possibility that there is a way in which I was wrong. It would be a very specific set of circumstances, but not impossible. If it gets closer to EoD and we are stuck we can discuss.

As for your question I'm not sure what you're asking exactly and I know that whichever way I answer you will tell you some information about me. Sounds like you're fishing for information too. Is it only ok when you do it? What's the deal?

 

[InterstellarHobo]

Right. I've been quiet for a bit to watch things develop, and also mostly because I've been busy or asleep.

Nictis and Shadell have both pretty obviously missed the shibboleth.
I think there is probably no benefit at this particular point in time to publicly revealing what is up. It would almost certainly drag the conversation even more thoroughly to the topic, and the more that happens the easier it is to fakeclaim without running afoul of the topic.

I also don't think there's much if any more value to be gotten out of the topic.

 

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@Nictis I cannot explicitly tell you what Shadell said that made me so wary of her right away because it would be revealing more than I want to reveal. I'm not going to do it right now unless I absolutely have to.

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Nictis and Shadell have both pretty obviously missed the shibboleth.
I think there is probably no benefit at this particular point in time to publicly revealing what is up. It would almost certainly drag the conversation even more thoroughly to the topic, and the more that happens the easier it is to fakeclaim without running afoul of the topic.

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You both have more or less openly admitted to knowing something...which I can't understand why you both did that back to back. It's just painted a target on your backs so I almost want to press for an explanation here.