- Location
- Elsewhere
That's valid for it I'd say.
The Lost Primarch Quest
- Thread starter Daemon Hunter
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That's valid for it I'd say.
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
- Location
- US of A
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
Best to consolidate as much context of the situation as possible before planting our foot in earnest.
Best to consolidate as much context of the situation as possible before planting our foot in earnest.
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
If we gonna go Rebel we must have other captains specially Ori to help us.
If we gonna go Rebel we must have other captains specially Ori to help us.
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
- Pronouns
- Human/Form/Keyblade
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
- Location
- The Golden State
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
Oh boy it is happening
Oh boy it is happening
- Location
- Bronx new york
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
Oh man were going to need Ori and all the plans to make it through this mess
Oh man were going to need Ori and all the plans to make it through this mess
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
And so begins the Kesar Heresy.
And so begins the Kesar Heresy.
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
He tried to actively prevent it from happening. At this point by all accounts he seems to have failed, but let's not pretend that he was just some willing bystander who only wanted to not have to acknowledge the situation.
- Location
- USA
[X] Write-in: "Perhaps it's best if we also brought our grievances and concerns to my captains? If we are going to secede, we will need the Legion unified in purpose." - Commit to a council of captains to decide on secession or not after getting more context from the heroes of the Eternal Wardens (Oriacarius, Maticus, Doom Slayer, Bader, Orion, etc)
- Location
- colombia
Wanting to prevent it without rocking the boat and without advocating for reform is the equivalent of bystanding
The effort was esentially "please dont civil war guys,pretty please" without actually having strong opinions on any issue or pushing forward any sort of actual compromise
He tried to advocate compromise without compromising himself on any degree
It was a failure at best delusional peacenik at worst
Chamberlain aahhh tier diplomacy
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he DID roccking the boat but it still didn't work.
If he really did nothing, then the Orus Council wouldn't have happened, Mortarion and Magnus wouldn't reconcile, Eli would have killed 1 quarter of Imperium's population, the Gamma Blocs instead of clear distinctive factions with transparent objections would have been disorganized bashing and clawing angry mobs, the Lord Militant role would still exist and Vulkan and his sons would have been sent to the Malestorm where they would have been slaughtered or worse.
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Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
Ah, yes, because him fully taking one side or the other... would help prevent a civil war? No, it wouldn't. If he outright supported reform, which even now you could say he was at least moderately in favor of publicly, then that just puts him in Empy's sights as a criminal for opposing him. If he opposed reform, Vulkan, Konrad, and co. would not listen to him because they've heard that spiel plenty of times already. His #1 point was always to cool things down and prevent total breakdown in cooperation, while also preventing the Imperium from going down the path of shittery as much as possible. You don't care about peace, fine, whatever, but don't try and pretend that Kesar's attempts at it were nothing and that you could think of better without a ton of hindsight
- Location
- colombia
Thats the thing
They were nothing both in hindsight and it results
There wasnt much substance or point to them
It was a few centuries too late,and the wishy washing not taking a side was a waste of time
At any point of the peace attempts it ever felt they had a meaning,it was like trying to put a band aid on a beheaded neck
taking a outright side in public would have been suicide (i agree on that with you)
But taking a side on private and work to subtly support it would have been more productive and meaningful than whatever the fuck he was trying
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- Location
- USA
Umm...
He did a ton of stuff to try and make things work out. He has hardly been a bystander.
- Location
- colombia
the ton of stuff: *cricket sounds*
Kesar was esentially the league of nations
Appealing to agreements and rules that were done with by all sides decades ago and he refused to see that
This isnt a "it could have worked but it didnt" im hindsight outside character
Is a "it was always gonna fail and attempting it was a waste from day 1" in foresight from inside characters (anyone could have realized the peace attempts were a dead end before they even begun)
"Please dont civil war" when both sides have the weapon stockpiles ready to go is foolish endevour
Kudos for trying i guess,but im not softening how worthless the attempt was
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Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
So you're changing your argument entirely then. Because your first point was explicitly Kesar doing nothing and just hoping the problem would go away. Now you're saying "Well, it was always doomed to failure". Those are two very different positions.
Not to mention, in a moment of irony, you chose to ignore the problem in your argument and hope that went away. Because you choose to ignore the fact that if not for Kesar, Vulkan would be either dead, corrupted, or an open traitor like 20 years ago. Your point, as it stands, is indefensible for that alone.
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