The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[Portec]

How much better would space marines Equipped with Avernus pattern equipment be?

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Not compareable.

It is made for different reasons. Bolters were made to render Infantry while Impaler where made to tear through armor.
DAoT Armor is just as potent as Space Marine Armor while beeing more costumaziable but Space Marine Armor has technologie that render the Agility loss of Power Armor null.

It is not a case of better or worse but spezialisation as I see it.

 

[mrttao]

Now, caveat time - the attack on Alfheim may be a distraction if this is an attack from Abomination cultists from a neighboring sub-sector or someone else who knows about Avernus's technology.

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I totally forgot the abomination is now a thing. Yea, this actually could be a diversion by the abomination

 

[NavySeel]

Not compareable.

It is made for different reasons. Bolters were made to render Infantry while Impaler where made to tear through armor.
DAoT Armor is just as potent as Space Marine Armor while beeing more costumaziable but Space Marine Armor has technologie that render the Agility loss of Power Armor null.

It is not a case of better or worse but spezialisation as I see it.

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Impalers are cheaper and simpler than bolters, an impaler rifle which is the size of a bolter hits as hard as a heavy bolter.
I seriously that a bolter would do more damage to infantry than that, not to mention how much easier impaler ammo is to make, it just seems like an over all upgrade to me.

 

[Enjou]

@Enjou
One criticism I have here is that the cadre of generals going to Alfheim is too small.

First of all, since we are returning to Avernus, then Drago ought to go to Alfheim. Plus he and Pask for a good team, so we don't want to split them up. Then we should also send Irwin Volkov as he is used to commanding Mechanized Infantry who are going to be the bulk of the forces on Alfheim. Leopold is a possibility, although I think I'd rather keep him on Avernus since our Armor is our most weakened portion of our forces. We definitely want to keep Agani on Avernus as her skirmishing skills will be the most useful there. Bergan is skilled in any terrian, so we could send him Alfheim, but I think we should keep him on Avernus to make up for the lack of Drago. Durant's preparation is probably the most helpful on his home turf. We should send either Kol or Nardoo to Alfheim. Nardoo would work best as a leading a daring strike force, which is probably what Avernites will be doing on Alfheim. On the other hand, maybe we should keep him close to us to keep him under control...

On the other hand Volkov is defensive minded, so sending him and Nardoo gives Drago a defensive general and an offensive general.

[X] General Cadre to send to Alfheim
-[X] Kenneth Drago
-[X] Jarran Pask
-[X] Irwin Volkov
-[X] Martin Nardoo

@Enjou Let me know if you think we should switch this a little. I do feel though we need to send Drago, Pask, and at least two more generals to Alfheim.

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I've set your suggested generals as the plan. I kind of don't like it since Drago wouldn't likely have been brought if we were determining what generals to bring in the last phase of planning but oh well, next time we go offworld durin will just need to require that as part of the plan.

 

[Durin]

12 hours left to vote

 

[Yamato]

Impalers are cheaper and simpler than bolters, an impaler rifle which is the size of a bolter hits as hard as a heavy bolter.
I seriously that a bolter would do more damage to infantry than that, not to mention how much easier impaler ammo is to make, it just seems like an over all upgrade to me.

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Well, Bolter rounds are essentially armour piercing grenades, so they'd do more widespread damage than an Impaler shot. Against Humans, Tau, Eldar etc it wouldn't matter, but against things like Tyranids and Orks the explosive payload would give Bolters an edge. Impalers, however, likely have the edge in penetration, and so would be better at killing armoured targets like Necrons or Traitor Marines.

 

[Enjou]

Alas, my crappy old laptop doesn't like the Kinematics tally program with all its nice features and I am forced to used the older program that is bereft of such features. Woe is me. Fortunately most people are voting for the plan to reinforce Avernus and that includes the generals in it, so counting isn't hard.

Vote tally:
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[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus
No. of votes: 19
Jexx, Enjou, Yamato, Fairyofbacon, Nervos Belli, DragonParadox, Massgamer, Lupercal, Faux, HanEmpire, Kyushiro, BurnNote, Ruirk, Vyrexuviel, Tylonius, geolas, godofbiscuit, mrttao, Elder Haman

[X] Send no one back
No. of votes: 1
Derek58

[X]send the Generals on with only the troop transports and escorts and return to Avernus with the rest of the navy and governors guard
No. of votes: 1
Darkcrest

[X]Return everyone and everything back.
No. of votes: 2
Superticus, Void Stalker

[X] Send one escort and yourself with the Goveners Own back.
[X] General cadre
-[X] Amos Parnell
-[X] Jarran Pask
-[X] Leopold Schwarz
No. of votes: 2
Aeondrac, OneirosTheWriter

[X] Message
-[X] Sent the trust fleet a massege that another fleet is heading towards Avernus and that likely one of the two is a diversion.
[X] Which troops acompany the merchant (Elder Haman will choose which in detail)
-[X] Sent 3/4 of the troops to Alfheim. Exluding Rotbart and Groveners own.
[X] Naval escort
-[X] Sent all you can to Alfheim to garante supriority in numbers.
[X] Plea for assistance
-[X] Tell the Trust that Avernus need no support until Alfheim is save. Rotbard will hold it for years if nessecary.
[X] General cadre to acompany the soldiers sent to Alfheim
-[X] Amos Parnell
-[X] Jarran Pask
-[X] Leopold Schwarz
No. of votes: 1
Portec

 

[NavySeel]

Well, Bolter rounds are essentially armour piercing grenades, so they'd do more widespread damage than an Impaler shot. Against Humans, Tau, Eldar etc it wouldn't matter, but against things like Tyranids and Orks the explosive payload would give Bolters an edge. Impalers, however, likely have the edge in penetration, and so would be better at killing armoured targets like Necrons or Traitor Marines.

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That would also depend on how heavily armoured the ork was and how thick the tyranid's chitin was.

 

[Durin]

Ok, I have constructed a plan. It has us sending back the majority of the fleet, the majority of the airforce, about half the superheavies and Titans, about 2/3 of the Helguard, and some of the Helltroopers.

Now, caveat time - the attack on Alfheim may be a distraction if this is an attack from Abomination cultists from a neighboring sub-sector or someone else who knows about Avernus's technology. We don't know the exact force numbers being sent there, and the idea may be to lure the best of our troops off of Avernus to aid an attack on it. The Alfheim force may be small, and meant to lure the majority of the forces of the Nine Worlds to there so they could send the majority of their forces to Avernus. However, the enemy wouldn't likely know about our Advanced Warp Scanners so the second force would think that they would only be detected well after we're on our way.

On the other hand, both attacks could be real and have parity in terms of their forces. But again, we don't have a way to know quite yet.

If you think that the Alfheim attack is almost certainly a distraction and the real force will attack Avernus, then I advise voting for this:

[] Return everyone and everything back.

If you're not certain and would like to split up our forces to hedge our bets, then I advise voting for this:

[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus

Governor Rotbart will return to Avernus with the following forces

NAVY (bring Amos Parnell back with you)
3 Battlecruisers
6 Cruisers
3 Light Cruisers
15 Escorts
4 Military Transports

ELITES = 0.2
Governors Own = 0.2

AIR FORCES = 131
75 Avenger Strike Fighter = 15
75 Lighting Fighter Wings = 15
75 Thunderbolt Fighter Wing = 15
80 Marauder Bomber Wings = 24
20 Marauder Vigilant Wings = 8
60 Marauder Destroyer Wings = 24
100 Cargo Shuttle Wings = 30

MECHANICUS = 85.5
25 Skitarii = 27.5
55 Tech Guard = 55
10 Scout Titan = 1
6 Reaver Titan = 1.2
2 Warlord Titan = 0.8

SUPER HEAVIES = 5.4
43 Baneblade Sqaudrons = 4.3
1 Mecharius Vanquisher Regiment = 0.5
3 Leviathan = 0.3
1 Capitol Imperialis = 0.3

HELGUARD = 42.1
6 Helguard Light Infantry Regiment = 5.4
4 Helguard Armoured Regiment = 2
4 Helguard Rough Rider Regiment = 4.4
8 Power Helguard Regiment = 8.8
6 Mechanised Power Helguard Regiment = 9.6
7 Drop Trooper Power Helguard Regiment = 11.9

IMPERIAL GUARD = 135.8
10 Infantry = 10
10 Mechanized Infantry = 15
10 Light Infantry = 9
14 Heavy Infantry = 14
10 Armour = 5
10 Rough Riders = 11
52 Drop Infantry = 62.4
3 Vanquisher Regiments = 1.2
2 Hellhound/Devil Dog = 0.8
2 Sentinel = 0.8
2 AA Regiments = 2
10 Artillery Regiments = 4
3 Deathstrike Battery = 0.6

TOTAL CARGO = 400

GENERALS CADRE TO SEND TO ALFHEIM
Kenneth Drago
Jarran Pask
Irwin Volkov
Martin Nardoo

GENERAL ORDERS FOR FLEET ARRIVING AT ALFHEIM
- IF the enemy fleet has been destroyed immediately head to land to aid in the ground campain.
- IF the naval battle is ongoing coordinate with the Imperial Trust Admiral on how best to get the forces landed for the ground campaign.
- IF the enemy fleet has attained orbital supremacy stay at the edge of the system until the fleet from Vanaheim has arrived to assist with landing.

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Why are you sending back 4 transports carrying 2 transports worth of men
also it would be more convenient if you also listed which regiments and ships were going to Alfheim, partly because you would have caught this issue

 

[Enjou]

Why are you sending back 4 transports carrying 2 transports worth of men
also it would be more convenient if you also listed which regiments and ships were going to Alfheim, partly because you would have caught this issue

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Because I forgot that Troop Transports had 200 cargo each rather than 100. I'll go back and fiddle with the numbers some more and maybe add another transport's worth of troops to bring back, then add the Alfheim contingent for you.

 

[Stroth]

How much better would space marines Equipped with Avernus pattern equipment be?

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Pretty sure the Impalers were already being rolled out to Space Marine chapters before the fall, so some of them are.

 

[NavySeel]

Pretty sure the Impalers were already being rolled out to Space Marine chapters before the fall, so some of them are.

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Hopefully that managed to make a difference somewhere...

 

[Enjou]

Ok, edited things so numbers are correct. Changed from 4 transports being sent back home to 3, but had the value properly set to 600 cargo for that. The troops I'm bringing back are mainly composed of 7 of the Siege Infantry Brigades (1 for each hive city, and 2 that can go where trouble rears its ugly head), the Teachers (whose primary role is defense, and aren't as effective as Helltroopers anyways since they are PDF), some more Drop Infantry (since Vanaheim will bring lots of that anyways), more Heavy Infantry, and a few minor adjustments otherwise. Otherwise things are unchanged.

Now I'll get to editing in the forces still going to Alfheim for durin's convenience.

 

[Massgamer]

@Enjou are the Phase Tigers going to Alfheim or going home?

 

[Ruirk]

Man, thank god we took the time to upgrade a lot of defenses. Which is also great because we will be getting our moneys worth.

 

[Enjou]

Ok, edited things so numbers are correct. Changed from 4 transports being sent back home to 3, but had the value properly set to 600 cargo for that. The troops I'm bringing back are mainly composed of 7 of the Siege Infantry Brigades (1 for each hive city, and 2 that can go where trouble rears its ugly head), the Teachers (whose primary role is defense, and aren't as effective as Helltroopers anyways since they are PDF), some more Drop Infantry (since Vanaheim will bring lots of that anyways), more Heavy Infantry, and a few minor adjustments otherwise. Otherwise things are unchanged.

Now I'll get to editing in the forces still going to Alfheim for durin's convenience.

 

[Massgamer]

Also if this is a invading Xeno force I pity their ground forces that meet Avernus wildlife.

 

[ebolasos]

[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus

 

[Durin]

Ok, I have constructed a plan. It has us sending back the majority of the fleet, the majority of the airforce, about half the superheavies and Titans, about 2/3 of the Helguard, and some of the Helltroopers.

Now, caveat time - the attack on Alfheim may be a distraction if this is an attack from Abomination cultists from a neighboring sub-sector or someone else who knows about Avernus's technology. We don't know the exact force numbers being sent there, and the idea may be to lure the best of our troops off of Avernus to aid an attack on it. The Alfheim force may be small, and meant to lure the majority of the forces of the Nine Worlds to there so they could send the majority of their forces to Avernus. However, the enemy wouldn't likely know about our Advanced Warp Scanners so the second force would think that they would only be detected well after we're on our way.

On the other hand, both attacks could be real and have parity in terms of their forces. But again, we don't have a way to know quite yet.

If you think that the Alfheim attack is almost certainly a distraction and the real force will attack Avernus, then I advise voting for this:

[] Return everyone and everything back.

If you're not certain and would like to split up our forces to hedge our bets, then I advise voting for this:

[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus

FORCES SENT HOME TO AVERNUS:

Governor Rotbart will return to Avernus with the following forces

NAVY (bring Amos Parnell back with you)
3 Battlecruisers
6 Cruisers
3 Light Cruisers
15 Escorts
3 Military Transports

ELITES = 0.2
Governors Own = 0.2

AIR FORCES = 131
75 Avenger Strike Fighter = 15
75 Lighting Fighter Wings = 15
75 Thunderbolt Fighter Wing = 15
60 Marauder Bomber Wings = 24
20 Marauder Vigilant Wings = 8
60 Marauder Destroyer Wings = 24
100 Cargo Shuttle Wings = 30

MECHANICUS = 85.5
25 Skitarii = 27.5
55 Tech Guard = 55
10 Scout Titan = 1
6 Reaver Titan = 1.2
2 Warlord Titan = 0.8

SUPER HEAVIES = 5.4
43 Baneblade Sqaudrons = 4.3
1 Mecharius Vanquisher Regiment = 0.5
3 Leviathan = 0.3
1 Capitol Imperialis = 0.3

HELGUARD = 42.1
6 Helguard Light Infantry Regiment = 5.4
4 Helguard Armoured Regiment = 2
4 Helguard Rough Rider Regiment = 4.4
8 Power Helguard Regiment = 8.8
6 Mechanised Power Helguard Regiment = 9.6
7 Drop Trooper Power Helguard Regiment = 11.9

IMPERIAL GUARD = 268.6
12 Infantry = 12
10 Mechanized Infantry = 15
20 Light Infantry = 18
34 Heavy Infantry = 34
10 Armour = 5
10 Rough Riders = 11
62 Drop Infantry = 74.4
7 Siege Infantry Brigades = 91
3 Vanquisher Regiments = 1.2
2 Hellhound/Devil Dog = 0.8
2 Sentinel = 0.8
2 AA Regiments = 0.8
10 Artillery Regiments = 4
3 Deathstrike Battery = 0.6

TEACHERS = 67.2
18 PDF Light Infantry = 16.2
34 PDF Armor = 17
18 PDF Heavy Infantry =18
16 PDF Infantry = 66

TOTAL CARGO = 600

GENERALS CADRE TO SEND TO ALFHEIM
Kenneth Drago
Jarran Pask
Irwin Volkov
Martin Nardoo

GENERAL ORDERS FOR FLEET ARRIVING AT ALFHEIM
- IF the enemy fleet has been destroyed immediately head to land to aid in the ground campain.
- IF the naval battle is ongoing coordinate with the Imperial Trust Admiral on how best to get the forces landed for the ground campaign.
- IF the enemy fleet has attained orbital supremacy stay at the edge of the system until the fleet from Vanaheim has arrived to assist with landing.

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a list of what forces you are sending to Alfheim would be so useful

 

[CharlBaal]

[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus

@durin what is the current status of the heavy cruiser and the escorts that were due to be finished this turn?

 

[Enjou]

@Enjou are the Phase Tigers going to Alfheim or going home?

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Alfheim. They work well with Xavier, so they're best off going with him.

a list of what forces you are sending to Alfheim would be so useful

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As I said in my last post...

Now I'll get to editing in the forces still going to Alfheim for durin's convenience.

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This is now done. It took longer than expected because I had to track down an error that was causing havoc with the numbers, which came from this in your last post...

4 AA Regiments = 4

Should be...

10 AA Regiments = 4

Once I found that I got the math right.

 

[Durin]

[X] Plan Reinforce Avernus

@durin what is the current status of the heavy cruiser and the escorts that were due to be finished this turn?

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currently at Vanaheim, they are finished but have not been shipped over yet

 

[Durin]

Alfheim. They work well with Xavier, so they're best off going with him.




As I said in my last post...



This is now done. It took longer than expected because I had to track down an error that was causing havoc with the numbers, which came from this in your last post...

4 AA Regiments = 4

Should be...

10 AA Regiments = 4

Once I found that I got the math right.

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sorry about the error

 

[Durin]

Unknown Invasion Part Three: Return to Avernus and Preparations

Upon receiving word that Avernus was also coming under attack you decided to return to Avernus with the majority of your fleet and a a third of your soldiers. The return home took only five days allowing you ten days to prepare. Looking over your defences you realise that the places most vulnerable to attack are the moon based cities, with Yphax being the most vulnerable on Avernus.


Please decided your initial deployments

Spoiler: Available Generals

Governor Rotbart
Lieutenant-General Bergen
Lieutenant-General Khol
Lieutenant-General Agani
Lieutenant-General Durant
Lieutenant-General Schwarz

Prefetus Secondus Henry Volkiss
Arbitrator Jane Oakheart
Saint Seamus Lin
Headmaster Munstrum Ridcully

Spoiler: Psykers

Headmaster Ricdully
10 Primaris Psykers
103 Major Battle Psykers
422 Minor Battle Psykers

Spoiler: Ground Forces

   

Total Helguard Regiments	35
Helguard Light Infantry Regiment	6
Helguard Armoured Regiment	4
Helguard Rough Rider Regiment	4
Power Helguard Regiment	8
Mechanised Power Helguard Regiment	6
Drop Trooper Power Helguard Regiment	7
Total Imperial Guard Regiments	197
Infantry	12
Mechanized Infantry	10
Light Infantry	20
Heavy Infantry	34
Armour	10
Rough Riders	10
Drop Infantry	62
Siege Infantry Brigade	7
Vanquisher Regiment	3
HellHound/Devil Dog	2
Sentinel	2
AA Regiments	2
Artillery Regiment	10
Bane Wolf	10
Deathstrike Battery	3
Total PDF Regiments	3648
PDF Infantry	608
PDF Mechanized Infantry	757
PDF Light Infantry	761
PDF Heavy Infantry	125
PDF Armour	547
PDF Rough Riders	667
PDF Siege Infantry Brigade	183
Mechanicus
Skitrii	30
Tech Guard	362
Scout Titan	10
Reaver Titan	6
Warlord Titan	2
Vehicles
Baneblade Suqadrons	43
Mecharuis Vaquisher Regiments	1
Leviathan	3
Capitol Imperialis	1
Teachers
PDF Infantry	66
PDF Light Infantry	18
PDF Heavy Infantry	18
PDF Armour	34
Governor Own	1
Avenger Strike Fighter	135
Lighting Fighter Wings	138
Thunderbolt Fighter Wing	135
Marauder Bomber Wings	84
Marauder Vigilant Wings	20
Marauder Destroyer Wings	90
Cargo Shuttle Wings	123

Spoiler: Cities

           

City Name	Designation	Environment	Category	Population	Militia Siege Brigades
Dis	Avernus Prime	Mountain	Capital, Small Hive	613,452,475	4,342
Casarrondo	Alpha-1	Mountain	Major City	95,512,079	676
Gormec	Alpha-2	Mountain	Major City	17,381,146	123
Helm's Deep	Alpha-3	Mountain	Major City	89,066,876	630
Lemnos	Alpha-4	Mountain	Major City	96,977,056	686
Lonely Citadel	Alpha-5	Mountain	Major City	57,109,629	404
Belegost	Alpha-M-1	Mountain	Forge City	28,901,985	205
Blacktyde	Beta-1	Island	Ruined City
Arbor	Beta-2	Island	Major City	103,182,979	730
The Bermunda Turtle	Beta-3	Island	Crater
The Fair Isle	Beta-4	Island	Small Hive	296,192,508	2,096
Storms End	Beta-5	Island	Major City	24,704,446	175
Lorien	Gamma-1	Forest	Major City	39,039,088	276
Mirkwood	Gamma-2	Forest	Regional City	676,902	5
Hollin	Gamma-3	Forest	Small Hive	258,622,363	1,830
Dorthonion	Gamma-4	Forest	Major Forge City	27,000,000	191
Doriath	Gamma-5	Forest	Major City	93,579,316	662
The Fens	Delta-1	Tropics	Small Hive	227,733,855	1,612
Asmat	Delta-2	Tropics	Major City	67,188,920	476
The Bayou	Delta-3	Tropics	Ruined City
Limberlost	Delta-4	Tropics	Major City	91,219,665	646
Okefenokee	Delta-5	Tropics	Major City	35,649,917	252
Capar	Epsilon-1	Plains	Crater
Nurn	Epsilon-2	Plains	Major City	103,854,878	735
Garden Grove	Epsilon-3	Plains	Small Hive	385,582,007	2,729
Bonud	Epsilon-4	Plains	Ruined City
Yphax	Epsilon-5	Plains	Regional City	1,064,621	8
Salem	Zeta-1	Desert	Small Hive	156,811,382	1,110
Sliver Lake	Zeta-2	Desert	Forge City	40,329,903	285
Babylon	Zeta-3	Desert	Major City	97,452,134	690
Babylon Forge	Zeta-3M	Desert	Forge Complex	2,027,241	14
Beirut	Zeta-4	Desert	Major City	95,802,936	678
True Grit	Zeta-5	Desert	Major City	98,596,725	698
Annwn	Alef-1	Moon (rock)	Forge City	36,808,625	261
Mag Mell	Dalat-1	Moon (rock)	Forge City	36,808,625	261
Nechtan	Dalat-2	Moon (rock)	Forge City	24,513,722	173
Erecura	Gimal-1	Moon (metal)	Forge City	24,513,722	173
Belisama	Gimal-2	Moon (metal)	Forge City	24,513,722	173

Spoiler: Navy

Spoiler: Avernus

1 Space Station
2 Docks
84 Defense Platforms
12 Heavy Defense Platforms
3 Defence Stations

Spoiler: Admirals

Admiral Amos Parnell
Lady Freya

Spoiler: Cumea

1 Large Shipyards
1 Small Shipyards
1 Space Station
2 Docks
84 Defence Platforms
12 Heavy Defence Platforms
3 Defence Stations
1 Ramilies Starfort
The Well of Urd

Spoiler: Mobile

3 Battlecruisers
6 Cruisers
3 Light Cruisers
15 Escorts
142 Defence Monitors

3 Military Transports
1 Goliath Factory Ship
20 Asteriod Miners
100 Tugs

 

[Elder Haman]

Because I forgot that Troop Transports had 200 cargo each rather than 100. I'll go back and fiddle with the numbers some more and maybe add another transport's worth of troops to bring back, then add the Alfheim contingent for you.

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I thought sending back 400 cargo space worth of men was just right. Really all we need is most of the airforce, half the heavies, and a good chunk of the Helguard and IG. Which is exactly what your plan had. If you intend to increase the amount of men being sent back I will have to vote for something different.

We have plenty of ground forces on Avernus. Other than filling a few specific holes in the battle order we don't need the rest and I suspect they will be more useful on Alfheim.