Doomed Wombat
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Whatever it is loosing 1/10th of the species is going to send costs for everything into complete fluctuation for at least a century.
The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
I thought the Silent King had Transcendent Martial, not Intrigue?
Just like the Emperor being part C'Tan has a risk of making the rest of imperial society implode. We don't have to tell anyone what the scry uncovers.
Personal theory: Men of Stone stayed loyal because they were purely human tech, Men of Iron rebelled (or rather, "rebelled" on command) because they included remotely submitted design contributions from the reclusive Martian engineer "M. Ladroth" that were what would now be recognized as Necron-based tech.
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- Earth
He has both.
Doomed Wombat
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He has both, he's one of three known double transcendent.
He got martial for winning the war in heaven.
He got intrigue for hiding his treachery from the C'tan including the Deceiver and carrying it out.
Problem is Emps hooked humanity into the dragon's dreams so technically nothing is purely human tech
But, in embers MoI are like geth and thus hilariously vulnerable to psychic attack from chaos, eldar etc.
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- Back in Cali
No because the Emporer was was already the god of the admech. And yes we do tell people about what we discover that is the whole point. Most of what you want is not useful to us or anyone else on its own.
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- Pale Blue Dot
Military intervention is something the Eldar can't really afford right now. Hero intervention? Sure. Divining? Sure. Teaching stuff? Sure. Info? No problem. Fleets or major armies... that is something they really don't want to use right now, because most of it is desperately rebuilding.
One thing we should consider offering the Eldar is 'medical aid for a couple of years, but remember there will be green skies in not too long'. Or just 'food & blankets' by the megaton.
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Doomed Wombat
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I do believe they're referring to the whole "your messiah is actually satan" part of divining that section of the past.
Its more mass scale actions of any kind, but yeah small scale stuff or things that don't tie up their people for too long doable.
Anything else not so much.
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- Back in Cali
Divining is worthless to us. We give them Divinations not the other way around. We have been over this they cannot teach us anything they are to different for human psykers to use. What information would we even care for. And no the can send a large enough military force to clear the entire area even with the losses they have taken. They are a galactic power wiping out a very small chaos area.
Doomed Wombat
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500 LY ain't small, and they're kinda reeling.
Otherwise we've got things we can ask for like help with the rogue psyker situation, anti nurgle wards for the upcoming incursion, intelligence help if needed, teams to help out research and the like.
We can also ask for diviners because Ridcully only has so many hours in the day and it'd boost our order of omens etc.
I've had an idea for helping both of us which is turning Avernus into the Eldar's reincarnated rehabilitation camp.
Since reincarnated loose stats I figure a good place for them to practise under high pressure, but still in relative safety is Avernus, especially since its the best place to practise against the new level of psykers (powerful, but not skilled.)
We get eldar heroes helping us deal with psykers, they get their skills back up.
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- USA
Rotbart stopped being the main character a LONG time ago at this point lol.
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- The United States
If Rotbart want to become the main character again I think he's going to have to beat the Silent King at a high stakes game of chess or something.
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- Back in Cali
It is a small area. It is barely a dot on a galactic map. Even with the losses they could still wipe out the area easily.
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- USA
There is really no way to keep up with ridcully otherwise unless he gets some good new traits and starts being able to do more.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
Perhaps I should have phrased it as "MoS were purely designed by humans, whatever their inspiration" and "the dragon managed to get enough awareness to hack the Github-equivalent the MoI engineering team were using and add his own design contributions to give himself a subtle backdoor for subverting all the MoI units and initiating a kill-all-humans plan."Problem is Emps hooked humanity into the dragon's dreams so technically nothing is purely human tech
This. Ridcully wasn't suicidal enough to publicize his discovery that the pinnacle of humanity was part xeno-robo-devil. He told a few key figures, who also knew better than to publicize it.
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- Elsewhere
Honestly this is 40k no ones really a main character :/
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
The MC is the MC because most of the final decisions that we do are praised (and blamed) as his. I imagine some of gains in martial stats comes from the very goods plans that you guys created^^.
Because if there a main character in warhammer in this moment, well it would have lot of competition. I would go with the silent king. Mostly because I refuse to vote one of C'tan or one of chaos 'god'.
But seriously the MC also hit way above his weight and had done a absurd good job in holding the line in the eternal war and his working vacations(turns of duty in wars^^).
edit: I blame the auto corruption for the vacations becoming actions.
Because if there a main character in warhammer in this moment, well it would have lot of competition. I would go with the silent king. Mostly because I refuse to vote one of C'tan or one of chaos 'god'.
But seriously the MC also hit way above his weight and had done a absurd good job in holding the line in the eternal war and his working vacations(turns of duty in wars^^).
edit: I blame the auto corruption for the vacations becoming actions.
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Doomed Wombat
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And taking it out speedily still requires a very significant investment of resources from a people whose population could have fit into 7 migard hives before they lost 1/10th of it.
There's a good reason the eldar really prefer not to do things like that, particularly now, and it hasn't changed.
Let us not be cavalier about what this would mean.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
So, thought. Did Durin say that human tech in general was of little use to the Krork? Or did he specify weapon tech? Because I wonder if it would be possible for Ridcully to divine techs that the Krork would find useful. I mean, we're helping the Eldar out with their stuff. The Krork may be less proven, but they're Sane and against Chaos. They're also close allies to the Eldar. It's not like we'd be worshiping the Triumvirate or anything, and with the Eldar to vouch for them, we should get no problems from anyone who isn't an archconservative. The real questions are whether this would actually be a worthwhile use of Ridcully's Divination and Tranth's time in terms of how much the Krork would benefit, and if Durin would allow such a relatively vague and kind of metagamey Divination. I mean, Tranth is a well-known innovator who managed to boost, for example, Promethium production 25%. Surely he could do something for the Krork if he knew what he was looking for yes? Then again, the Krork Mechanics and Technicians are surely working on it as well, but humans think differently enough that maybe he could actually provide some aid.
Doomed Wombat
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All Krork tech is 30+ at a bare minimum. they are 11 tech levels higher than us and it is very likely they are considerably more so.
They are literally so much more advanced than us that we have no idea to what extent they are.
What's more their tech operates on the War field, so not only is it incomprehensibly more advanced operating on physical principals millions of years distant from what Tranth knows it also operates on psychic principals more complex than anything in the modern era.
Nor have they forgotten anything from their height, its all there in the Krork's DNA the problem is that they need a few hundred years of peace to get back to their full WIH capabilities.
The long and short of it is no, Tranth can't do shit for them, same way he can't do shit for the Necrons or Eldar and we couldn't understand the Tyranids who were at a similar level of advancement.
Edit: Also the Krork need something not in their tech base they have Jokaro, who apparently can create just about anything.
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- western US
item (one): Heres a thought, we offer to have ridcully assist the eldar with divination/healing (since hes good enough now that that is ALSO a major asset) in order to speed up their recovery--->>they can help us with the impending invasion without hurting themselves/their recovery as much.
item (two): I would support the re-allocation of research towards anti-nurgle powers as well as the expenditure of favors for anti-nurgle runes, depending on how bad the increase in favor-prices are atm from the eldar for that. (I'm referencing the eldar favor prices being high atm due to losing 10% pop).
item (three): also I want to diplo/have-rids-spend-time-with for the stat/character sheet of Isha and COH.
mind you, this is not just a ecstatic/excited I-want-to-pet-the-dog moment of mine...
1): we need to see for ourselves how corrupted/influenced Isha is by her Crone domain so that we have our own knowledge of how much her Crone domain is effecting her over time...that way, if something, weird, happens, we will have some history on that. We really don't want to be relying too much on the eldar to be unbiased. (who are strongly influenced by her since they worship her on top of respecting/loving her)
2): similar to (1), we need to know COH. this is the best way to see what personality Durin has given to the COH, and I think its important to know for omake reasons as well.
3): COH IS A FRICKING DOOR, we have not seen an object that was made sentient before I don' think (certainly not many!) nor any character sheets for one....I also think we might benifit from knowing Isha's as well since I don't think we have (many) character sheets for gods (if any?)
4): we would presumably be asking ridcully to ask for us since he has massive diplo bonus's with everyone involved with this (except maybe COH). This would give ridcully a chance to learn some healing from Isha (properly) and thus let him know how to use it (might give him a basic healer trait that will stack with his blessing!).
This could also perhaps help raise COH a bit. (any entity with god-level powers NEEDS every chance we can give to help raise them)
5): perfect omake bait.
item (two): I would support the re-allocation of research towards anti-nurgle powers as well as the expenditure of favors for anti-nurgle runes, depending on how bad the increase in favor-prices are atm from the eldar for that. (I'm referencing the eldar favor prices being high atm due to losing 10% pop).
item (three): also I want to diplo/have-rids-spend-time-with for the stat/character sheet of Isha and COH.
mind you, this is not just a ecstatic/excited I-want-to-pet-the-dog moment of mine...
1): we need to see for ourselves how corrupted/influenced Isha is by her Crone domain so that we have our own knowledge of how much her Crone domain is effecting her over time...that way, if something, weird, happens, we will have some history on that. We really don't want to be relying too much on the eldar to be unbiased. (who are strongly influenced by her since they worship her on top of respecting/loving her)
2): similar to (1), we need to know COH. this is the best way to see what personality Durin has given to the COH, and I think its important to know for omake reasons as well.
3): COH IS A FRICKING DOOR, we have not seen an object that was made sentient before I don' think (certainly not many!) nor any character sheets for one....I also think we might benifit from knowing Isha's as well since I don't think we have (many) character sheets for gods (if any?)
4): we would presumably be asking ridcully to ask for us since he has massive diplo bonus's with everyone involved with this (except maybe COH). This would give ridcully a chance to learn some healing from Isha (properly) and thus let him know how to use it (might give him a basic healer trait that will stack with his blessing!).
This could also perhaps help raise COH a bit. (any entity with god-level powers NEEDS every chance we can give to help raise them)
5): perfect omake bait.
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Doomed Wombat
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Not really.
Grandmaster healing is rare, but its far from uncommon. If he develops it so that his innate healing abilities are at the same level as what is granted by his blessing yes.
Its not corruption outside of the option now being there and freaking her out.
She's literally got a piety trait seemingly centred around mental resilience. I also think the Laughing God who is both very pragmatic and very familiar with her would be concerned if it was needed.
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- western US
hmm...I'm not so sure about this, we should check with durin
@Durin How common is healing powers of the level of Ridcully's Isha-granted healing, in particular among the eldar?
this is true so I suppose scratch that reason. Still got 4 other reasons to have rids spend some time with Isha/COH (and maybe tell him he can be honest/foward about why/how we/rotbart is actively pushing this, should probably dodge that potential landmine because WE don't have the diplo bonus).
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- western US
...this is ALSO not a terrable idea. maybe durin will let this happen and basically drop their roll-to-die chance a bit to represent that the (probably) most common end to their lives is no longer possable? (or at least, for most kinds of blink spider. apparently there are alot of different breeds with different venoms)
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- The United States
Depending on how expensive this is, I would support treating all of our major heroes with immunity to blink spiders. After all, it would suck to have a paragon die because of a freaking spider.