You remember Deus Ex? We are going to do it like Arakanor's quest where we get to assign points to things we want.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- Location
- USA
Are points influenced by where we end up after this turn?
After the high council meeting we will have the turn. So yes the points will be influenced.
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Is there a reasoning for Carniflower Investigation beyond it being cheap? We'll want it eventually, but unless Carniflowers are significantly cheaper than Illusion Pines it just seems like spending actions to unlock options we aren't going to take for a long time.
As an alternative, I think 2 years of Economic Throne Focus would cover the (throne) cost of upgrading a city to a Small Hive, so it could go
Administratum Slot A
-Y3 Economic Focus (Thrones)
-Y4 Economic Focus (Thrones)
-Y5 Expand (wherever) into a Small Hive
As an alternative, I think 2 years of Economic Throne Focus would cover the (throne) cost of upgrading a city to a Small Hive, so it could go
Administratum Slot A
-Y3 Economic Focus (Thrones)
-Y4 Economic Focus (Thrones)
-Y5 Expand (wherever) into a Small Hive
[] Plan Nurgle T141
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 3
Y3:Administrative Shake-Up
Y5: Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 5
Y5: Expand (Desdes ) to Small Hive
After talking to void I agree we need to do some Shake ups becasue we need money. But I am also expanding one city to a hive for security and more living space in that region of avernus.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: Sound out (using minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here)
If they agree Year 2 action
Y2: Ask for Inquisitional, really anyone that can be spared to help going over the crew of the Lancre when they arrive.
Y3: Use minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here and check if they are corrupt please
Y4: Ask for the people of Avernus to help check out the Lancre and company for corruption
If they don't
Y2: Sound Out Crimson crusaders using Star fort Atlas Gift or Avernus as a base of operation.
Y3: Ear to ground ( find out what else is going to be discussed)
Y4: Talk to the people of Avernus about forming a alliance to coordinate with each other when Chaos or demons attack Avernus
Ok alot of people want to bring the Lancre. The problem with it that it sounds way to good to be true and the Eldar think it is weird. So i believe we need to do as many actions as possible to clear them since we do not have Saint Lin around. Here is hoping that it works out
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
SLOT B - Year 2
Y2-5: Counter - Intelligence
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Ridcully)
If Council agrees
Y2: Greater Divination (Lancre fleet still around, are they corrupted. and Fleet's Location )
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Arhra Location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
If they Don't
Y2: Greater Divination (Arhra Location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Threats to the Trust)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
Free Divination
( What is causing the curses for the Blood angels and successor chapter)
I really want to find out what is going on with Sanguinus. but since people have argued before I am compromising waht I want and doing it on the free divination. There is alot of Narrative weight with Sanguinius being brought back to life. He knew is was going to die from a vision, Konrad told him he was going to die, and the Empereor also saw he was going to die. So he willing sacrificed himself so others may live. I believe his soul is captured and the curses are a result of chaos trying to corrupt him.
SLOT B - Year 3 ( Aria)
Y3: Runes of Protection Focus: Battle Psykers
Personal
SLOT A - Year 5
Y5: Educational Review
SLOT B year 1 Personal
Y1: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Military)
Y2: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Administratum)
Y3-4: Tutor Tormod in Administration
Y5: Attend High Council Meeting
ok really going cheap these turn, we are broke. AS always I welcome feedback as long as you have a good reason.
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 3
Y3:Administrative Shake-Up
Y5: Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 5
Y5: Expand (Desdes ) to Small Hive
After talking to void I agree we need to do some Shake ups becasue we need money. But I am also expanding one city to a hive for security and more living space in that region of avernus.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: Sound out (using minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here)
If they agree Year 2 action
Y2: Ask for Inquisitional, really anyone that can be spared to help going over the crew of the Lancre when they arrive.
Y3: Use minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here and check if they are corrupt please
Y4: Ask for the people of Avernus to help check out the Lancre and company for corruption
If they don't
Y2: Sound Out Crimson crusaders using Star fort Atlas Gift or Avernus as a base of operation.
Y3: Ear to ground ( find out what else is going to be discussed)
Y4: Talk to the people of Avernus about forming a alliance to coordinate with each other when Chaos or demons attack Avernus
Ok alot of people want to bring the Lancre. The problem with it that it sounds way to good to be true and the Eldar think it is weird. So i believe we need to do as many actions as possible to clear them since we do not have Saint Lin around. Here is hoping that it works out
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
SLOT B - Year 2
Y2-5: Counter - Intelligence
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Ridcully)
If Council agrees
Y2: Greater Divination (Lancre fleet still around, are they corrupted. and Fleet's Location )
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Arhra Location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
If they Don't
Y2: Greater Divination (Arhra Location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Threats to the Trust)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
Free Divination
( What is causing the curses for the Blood angels and successor chapter)
I really want to find out what is going on with Sanguinus. but since people have argued before I am compromising waht I want and doing it on the free divination. There is alot of Narrative weight with Sanguinius being brought back to life. He knew is was going to die from a vision, Konrad told him he was going to die, and the Empereor also saw he was going to die. So he willing sacrificed himself so others may live. I believe his soul is captured and the curses are a result of chaos trying to corrupt him.
SLOT B - Year 3 ( Aria)
Y3: Runes of Protection Focus: Battle Psykers
Personal
SLOT A - Year 5
Y5: Educational Review
SLOT B year 1 Personal
Y1: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Military)
Y2: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Administratum)
Y3-4: Tutor Tormod in Administration
Y5: Attend High Council Meeting
ok really going cheap these turn, we are broke. AS always I welcome feedback as long as you have a good reason.
Economic focus will not be as successful as you think since it is what we produce and it was imports of thrones that was giving us a surplus. I originally had that in the hopes we could actually work on defenses for once instead of having to worry about the economy.
I thought the +5% applied to base production rather than net - otherwise when spending heavily focusing on the economy would produce negative thrones. I don't have the latest figures for base production but in turn 111 we had ~62 billion base thrones from 30-32 billion pop. I assumed productivity stayed equal or improved and projected out to our current 101 billion pop.
That estimated a base production of ~195 billion Thrones, divide by 5 for yearly income and then 20 for the 5% and each Throne focus would generate ~2 billion Thrones. Hive expansion is 3.2 billion thrones.
Does it not work that way, or are the actual numbers significantly different from my estimate?
Actually the Titan upkeep isn't bad, it's the Grand Cathedral and enlarged forge hive that cost 445 billion thrones a turn. Most of that is the grand cathedral at I think 395 billion a turn, with another one being built as we speak with the same projected upkeep.
Do you have access to his sheets? Because it would be easier if you did. Ok base income is 230.423.376.989 a year before we take of upkeep. Right now we are -44.970.660.676 a year after trade , upkeep, and tithe
Edit why I think we should do shake up is that we are hemmorging money but we also have the high council meeting these turn. Shake up provides a 1.3 billion a year increase that is permeant while focus is temporarily.
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I do not. Money issues.
In any case, 230 billion a year would mean a focus on thrones action would generate 11.5 billion thrones if it succeeded.
@Durin
1. To confirm, Economic Focus doesn't take upkeep/trade/tithe into account, just base production and productivity multipliers?
- Location
- Earth
Lancre has an expected malus of 0, so I'm not sure we need a DD for it. Also, be aware that finding out what's causing the curses does not count towards an Eldar favor. (We kind of need those right now, and the Eldar kind of need all hands on deck with putting out the most immediate fires right now too)
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. correct, though it is still tithed so you would get around 10 billionI do not. Money issues.
In any case, 230 billion a year would mean a focus on thrones action would generate 11.5 billion thrones if it succeeded.
@Durin
1. To confirm, Economic Focus doesn't take upkeep/trade/tithe into account, just base production and productivity multipliers?
Oh, we are doing that? Thank god. Maybe this means we'll get new blood in the plan-making going forward. The actual spreadsheets were fun at first, but I think an extrapolation of sorts was in order.
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- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
So, as I've suggested in the past. When the timeskip comes up, all-in on Education Review such multipliers. Our pop cap is more than fine. We could triple our current population and still have room, and even if we have 2% annual growth, we'd only end up with about 2.7 times our current population after 50 years. We almost never hit 1.5%.
- Location
- Australia
Could we import people as a way of boosting our tax income. We've just been working on all these hive expansions so we should have room.
Also if it works out should be repeatable, I don't know the numbers but surely a basic avernus hive without any massive upkeep projects in it should make us a profit. Would also help boost population so we could tithe more armies for cash
Also if it works out should be repeatable, I don't know the numbers but surely a basic avernus hive without any massive upkeep projects in it should make us a profit. Would also help boost population so we could tithe more armies for cash
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
They would die. Horribly. Avernites aren't Space Marines, but they're a heck of a lot better than normal humans. It's literally considered a cruel and unusual death sentence.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
50% would die to be precise. Woth training and prep and all.
There were actually a lot of Midgardians that were for it because conditions were that shit in Midgard then. Times have changed.
- Location
- Australia
I get that going outside the cities would kill them fast but I thought we had secured the cities themselves from the majority of the wildlife by now.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Yeah, Planet has stepped up its game from the initial colonization now that we've started to adapt to it. New people just annoy it since it has a working human population, so they are shown no "newcomer mercy".
Spiders.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Than it has a better chance of critical success for the Lancre. As for the Blood Angels it is a good idea to find out about the curses since we are about to have 2 chapter legions of them with us. Also because I believe Sanguinus soul is trapped and if we can get it we can put it into a clone body or resurrect him. Which gives us another primarch on the board. Which means blood angel true bloods and one of the best fighters back on the board.
Sorry no that is only for the time skip. So we will go back to these after it's just that it is easier to do the point system for 50 years and not give Durin too much work.
Fair enough I suppose. Granted I really hope we do something to deal with the numbers bloat. I get that it is quite realistic for balancing a budget for an entire planet unique as ours, but man can it get daunting sometimes.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Durin could probably turn Thrones to be counted in Millions (Billions?) and probably eliminate costs below that. Abstract them away.
Yeah, that'd be cool if Durin decided to use it. Really anything that could help newcomers to make turns, you know, add a little new blood into the mix along with the usual suspects.