The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
Ok here me out we need to wait till the high council meeting. If we get the information why can we do with it? Invade Vanahiem,Asgard and Midgard to attack there political allies? We need to get everyone on board first than divine. Since if we do one to early the information may change.
When even is the next high council meeting?

And we can divine them to get evidence for the rather reasonable reason that we're rather concerned about the conservatives, one of their biggest members was recently executed for high treason, and given that we're very likely to find shit I'd say we can be convincing in justifying doing it.
 
When even is the next high council meeting?

And we can divine them to get evidence for the rather reasonable reason that we're rather concerned about the conservatives, one of their biggest members was recently executed for high treason, and given that we're very likely to find shit I'd say we can be convincing in justifying doing it.
After T141, IIRC.
 
When even is the next high council meeting?

And we can divine them to get evidence for the rather reasonable reason that we're rather concerned about the conservatives, one of their biggest members was recently executed for high treason, and given that we're very likely to find shit I'd say we can be convincing in justifying doing it.
You mean we need proof? Like the Magos who tried to committee a terrorist act and the Head of the Admech who thinks that the conservative admech will destroy valuable equipment and infrastructure.
 
You mean we need proof? Like the Magos who tried to committee a terrorist act and the Head of the Admech who thinks that the conservative admech will destroy valuable equipment and infrastructure.
Yes. These aren't enough. They're the actions of a past traitor who was already executed a few decades ago and the suspicions of someone who would be viewed as an extremely biased source due to being on the other side. Yes, it's enough to convince us, but to sway less progressive types, we need something more solid and relevant in the up-to-date sense.

Like a report from the best diviner in the polity that has ample evidence that still-living conservatives are planning to sabotage the Trust.
 
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You mean we need proof? Like the Magos who tried to committee a terrorist act and the Head of the Admech who thinks that the conservative admech will destroy valuable equipment and infrastructure.
Yes. These aren't enough. They're the actions of a past traitor who was already executed a few decades ago and the suspicions of someone who would be viewed as an extremely biased source due to being on the other side. Yes, it's enough to convince us, but to sway less progressive types, we need something more solid and relevant in the up-to-date sense.
Especially Bertil a lot of his power is built on his strong connections to prominant conservative Magi.
 
Yes. These aren't enough. They're the actions of a past traitor who was already executed a few decades ago and the suspicions of someone who would be viewed as an extremely biased source due to being on the other side. Yes, it's enough to convince us, but to sway less progressive types, we need something more solid and relevant in the up-to-date sense.

Like a report from the best diviner in the polity that has ample evidence that still-living conservatives are planning to sabotage the Trust.
Why would Ridcully not be viewed as a biased source though? It's well known that Avernus and Rotbart are very much on the progressive side of things, so I don't see why people who are that sceptical wouldn't just dismiss anything Ridcully said as "fake news".
 
Nurgle T140

Munitorum [2 Years]
Slot A:
Y2: Recruit: Helguard

Void Command
Slot A
Y1: Combine Shipyards: Gargantuan
- - EXPEDITE YEAR 1
these will be expensive but we need to increase our capacity asasp

Adminstratum [3 Years]
Slot A
Y1: Expand (Mirkwood) to Small Hive
Slot B
Y3: Expand (Asmat) to Small Hive
Expand more cities to Hives


Diplomacy [5 Years]
Y1: ear to ground ( more information about the merger with dragon's nest)
Y2: Sound Out ( Divining Lancre location and bringing it here if possible)
Y3: New Lord-Marshal of the Aesir
Y4: Siren trade ( Trade for Runelords Training and City Warding)

Ok we need to find out more details about the High Council meeting and need to contact the high council before we talk to foreigners or meet


Arbites [5 Years,]
Slot A
Y1: Counter intelligence
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
Y2-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
Doing 1 Counter Intelligence

Mechanicus
Slot A - Explorator
Y3: Titan Design: Avernus-Pattern Warhound Titan
I thought about it and if we complete the Large forge titan that is a titan a decade so Getting the warhound design is more preferable since it will have 71 chance of success

Slot B - Any, Fabricator-General
Y1: Another
Y2: Automate Another
Slot Any
Y3: Large Titan Manufactorum
Finish the mobile research building, than get it automated so we explore Avernus for penguins and black jewelry

Telepathica

Slot A - Ridcully
Y3: Greater Divination (Chaos Ritual Details)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3 PLUS FREE DIVINATION FOR TRIPLE DOWN
Y4: Greater Divination (Location Of Lion El' Jonson)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
Y5: Mentor Alpha
We need as much information about the ritual as possible so we can plan for it. We may not be able to stop it but we need to know if it is completely hopeless, and if it is the ritual would be a good chance to rescue Isha while chaos is distracted.
Slot B - Tamia
Y3: Implement (Rune of Protection)
Y5: Anti-Blood God Powers: Countering
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
Doing the Rune becasue of Double down
Slot C - Aria
Y2: Create Psyker Order ( Bloom Bees)
Food and population growth always take front seat
Personal

Slot A
Y1: Advanced Power Armour: Helguard Trooper Regiments
SLot B
Y2: Construction Expertise (Expand and downgrade Forge-Hive: Erecura )
Slot C
Y1: Go Somewhere to grieve for SYR your beloved Daughter
Y2: Mending the Relationship (Write in
Y3-5: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Munitorum, Heliem Void Command, Administratum)
We already know how the other worlds select their leaders. The way i see it The house of Rotbart or any Avernus Noble House can put forward a candidate than the Department Heads vote on the candidates. Also Department heads are eligible for election as Governor.

Ok here is the protoplan 2.0 will change depending on discussion . IF you have a suggestion please have a good reason why.
I like the plan Nurgle, just might I point out/suggest that it's going to have a very hard time passing if we don't divine the ad Mech civil war.
 
Yes. These aren't enough. They're the actions of a past traitor who was already executed a few decades ago and the suspicions of someone who would be viewed as an extremely biased source due to being on the other side. Yes, it's enough to convince us, but to sway less progressive types, we need something more solid and relevant in the up-to-date sense.

Like a report from the best diviner in the polity that has ample evidence that still-living conservatives are planning to sabotage the Trust.
Especially Bertil a lot of his power is built on his strong connections to prominant conservative Magi.
I want to do it next turn go into the meeting than have the purge. We cannot give them time to react. Also we will need the whole trust behind us and it will have to be quick. Giving years notice to say Bertil who may tell the conservatives is a bad idea.
We need to meet with them face to face so we can convince them. Also there is a really good chance they will not believe a report since these will be going against what they believe and will hurt there standing. Never underestimate someone not willing to believe something that proves them wrong.
 
Why would Ridcully not be viewed as a biased source though? It's well known that Avernus and Rotbart are very much on the progressive side of things, so I don't see why people who are that sceptical wouldn't just dismiss anything Ridcully said as "fake news".
Because he's our best diviner and has proven himself to be telling the truth many times in the past. Also because security teams following his directions can grab the relevant conservatives and manage to find incriminating evidence that proves Rids is right.
 
I want to do it next turn go into the meeting than have the purge. We cannot give them time to react. Also we will need the whole trust behind us and it will have to be quick. Giving years notice to say Bertil who may tell the conservatives is a bad idea.
We need to meet with them face to face so we can convince them. Also there is a really good chance they will not believe a report since these will be going against what they believe and will hurt there standing. Never underestimate someone not willing to believe something that proves them wrong.
And you think they won't immidiately know after we bring it up at the rather public council session?

To use Azgrin's argument just learning this info doesn't mean the conservatives are likely to know.

And if they choose to wilully not believe despite all the evidence we can stack then we just need to outvote the fuckers.
 
Couldn't we go for the EU4 Dutch Government model? Keep the royal family around, and when a ruler dies or retires we choose the successor from a list of worthies that happens to include the royal heir(s). That way we can keep Frederick's line at the top while still keeping things meritocratic.

I'd rather keep Fred's line around for the sake of nostalgia and improved legitimacy of the ruling planetary government, plus keeping to the deal with made with the Vanir and the Aesir.
 
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Couldn't we go for the EU4 Dutch Government model? Keep the royal family around, and when a ruler dies or retires we choose the successor from a list of worthies that happens to include the royal heir(s). That way we can keep Frederick's line at the top while still keeping things meritocratic.

I'd rather keep Fred's line around for the sake of nostalgia and improved legitimacy of the ruling planetary government, plus keeping to the deal with made with the Vanir and the Aesir.
That is actually what I wish to go for.
 
Nurgle T140

Munitorum [2 Years]
Slot A:
Y2: Recruit: Helguard

Void Command
Slot A
Y1: Combine Shipyards: Gargantuan
- - EXPEDITE YEAR 1
these will be expensive but we need to increase our capacity asasp

Adminstratum [3 Years]
Slot A
Y1: Expand (Mirkwood) to Small Hive
Slot B
Y3: Expand (Asmat) to Small Hive
Expand more cities to Hives


Diplomacy [5 Years]
Y1: ear to ground ( more information about the merger with dragon's nest)
Y2: Sound Out ( Divining Lancre location and bringing it here if possible)
Y3: New Lord-Marshal of the Aesir
Y4: Siren trade ( Trade for Runelords Training and City Warding)

Ok we need to find out more details about the High Council meeting and need to contact the high council before we talk to foreigners or meet


Arbites [5 Years,]
Slot A
Y1: Counter intelligence
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
Y2-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
Doing 1 Counter Intelligence

Mechanicus
Slot A - Explorator
Y3: Titan Design: Avernus-Pattern Warhound Titan
I thought about it and if we complete the Large forge titan that is a titan a decade so Getting the warhound design is more preferable since it will have 71 chance of success

Slot B - Any, Fabricator-General
Y1: Another
Y2: Automate Another
Slot Any
Y3: Large Titan Manufactorum
Finish the mobile research building, than get it automated so we explore Avernus for penguins and black jewelry

Telepathica

Slot A - Ridcully
Y3: Greater Divination (Chaos Ritual Details)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3 PLUS FREE DIVINATION FOR TRIPLE DOWN
Y4: Greater Divination (Location Of Lion El' Jonson)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
Y5: Mentor Alpha
We need as much information about the ritual as possible so we can plan for it. We may not be able to stop it but we need to know if it is completely hopeless, and if it is the ritual would be a good chance to rescue Isha while chaos is distracted.
Slot B - Tamia
Y3: Implement (Rune of Protection)
Y5: Anti-Blood God Powers: Countering
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
Doing the Rune becasue of Double down
Slot C - Aria
Y2: Create Psyker Order ( Bloom Bees)
Food and population growth always take front seat
Personal

Slot A
Y1: Advanced Power Armour: Helguard Trooper Regiments
SLot B
Y2: Construction Expertise (Expand and downgrade Forge-Hive: Erecura )
Slot C
Y1: Go Somewhere to grieve for SYR your beloved Daughter
Y2: Mending the Relationship (Write in
Y3-5: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Munitorum, Heliem Void Command, Administratum)
We already know how the other worlds select their leaders. The way i see it The house of Rotbart or any Avernus Noble House can put forward a candidate than the Department Heads vote on the candidates. Also Department heads are eligible for election as Governor.

Ok here is the protoplan 2.0 will change depending on discussion . IF you have a suggestion please have a good reason why.
Can we sound out like... the citizens of Avernus seems like getting an idea of what our average citizen thinks our government system could/should be would be rather helpful? Also, do we have any noble houses? I thought there weren't any nobles.

Can we look into the Primal warp instead of mentoring the Alpha? Its a 5 year project I know, which limits our grand divinations to 1 years worth next time, but it seems extremely important, especially the aspect of it where its not at all conducive to Chaos. I'm rather hoping that accessing it will let us do things that would increase our psykers chances of passing the trials by having an aspect of the warp they can tap that isn't so easily corrupted. He's got a +160 to the roll, so even though its a -100 he's still got a 60% chance of getting it, without a double down or anything else.

Can we switch out the warhound Titans for the Void Shield Harness? Its stupid expensive its true, but its such an absurdly powerful thing to have for our infantry its difficult to overstate it. It says 44% after bonuses right now, but it should actually be 54% since we'll have the Grand Cathedral finished by the time this action starts. Which admittedly isn't a great chance, but since the Chaos thing is unlikely to be able to be re-rolled if it fails (or at least, it seems unlikely we'd be able to reroll something that Tzeentch wants to keep hidden) that year's reroll would likely end up going to this, bringing it up to a 69% chance of success, which isn't that bad.
 
Because he's our best diviner and has proven himself to be telling the truth many times in the past. Also because security teams following his directions can grab the relevant conservatives and manage to find incriminating evidence that proves Rids is right.
Yep, don't get the reasoning that people wouldn't believe Ridcully considering that he has a pretty impressive record over hundreds of years to the point that he is the Trust's best asset without a doubt. For gods sake our own Head Arch Magos was the one that came to us with the belied that the civil war was in fact happening very soon and she would be in a good position to keep an eye on such a thing. Getting that started as soon as possible is important since for all we know the civil war may be happening in around this decade.

At the least the Inquisition would more than likely be extremely interested in looking at all the evidence that Ridcully could lead them to. This kind of thing is literally their jobs and if it comes from the Inquisition others can't just dismiss it.
 
Since we will be pumping out Warlords so fast I find having the Warhound designs to be much more handy than before. We might even start production on them over the timeskip if we make a few more Large Manufactorums.
 
Can we sound out like... the citizens of Avernus seems like getting an idea of what our average citizen thinks our government system could/should be would be rather helpful? Also, do we have any noble houses? I thought there weren't any nobles.

Can we look into the Primal warp instead of mentoring the Alpha? Its a 5 year project I know, which limits our grand divinations to 1 years worth next time, but it seems extremely important, especially the aspect of it where its not at all conducive to Chaos. I'm rather hoping that accessing it will let us do things that would increase our psykers chances of passing the trials by having an aspect of the warp they can tap that isn't so easily corrupted. He's got a +160 to the roll, so even though its a -100 he's still got a 60% chance of getting it, without a double down or anything else.

Can we switch out the warhound Titans for the Void Shield Harness? Its stupid expensive its true, but its such an absurdly powerful thing to have for our infantry its difficult to overstate it. It says 44% after bonuses right now, but it should actually be 54% since we'll have the Grand Cathedral finished by the time this action starts. Which admittedly isn't a great chance, but since the Chaos thing is unlikely to be able to be re-rolled if it fails (or at least, it seems unlikely we'd be able to reroll something that Tzeentch wants to keep hidden) that year's reroll would likely end up going to this, bringing it up to a 69% chance of success, which isn't that bad.
Most of Avernus is a meritocracy of who survives the longest. They want the person who is best for the job.

I am going to change the alpha to a focus divination on the admech civil war plans.

while the shield is shinny it does not really help us since it will be another piece of technology we will have to implement. The warhound Titan on the other hand is not only valuable to us but to the rest of the conclave. Also I am doing the warhound since it has a higher chance of success.
 
Couldn't we go for the EU4 Dutch Government model? Keep the royal family around, and when a ruler dies or retires we choose the successor from a list of worthies that happens to include the royal heir(s). That way we can keep Frederick's line at the top while still keeping things meritocratic.

I'd rather keep Fred's line around for the sake of nostalgia and improved legitimacy of the ruling planetary government, plus keeping to the deal with made with the Vanir and the Aesir.
Thats a pretty darn good idea. Best I came up with was a constitutional monarchy, like the united kingdom.

Side note, does the alpha that needs mentoring already have a name/characteristics? I was thinking of a possibility of a omake.
 
I have a sneaking suspicion that personal void shields will cost RM. Meaning it'll be reserved for heroes and groups like a Chapter's First Company.

While I drool over one on Jacob Warhounds come first in my book.
 
Thats a pretty darn good idea. Best I came up with was a constitutional monarchy, like the united kingdom.

Side note, does the alpha that needs mentoring already have a name/characteristics? I was thinking of a possibility of a omake.
Alpha do not have a name or anything unless they pass the exam. Because why name someone who is going to be executed.
 
while the shield is shinny it does not really help us since it will be another piece of technology we will have to implement. The warhound Titan on the other hand is not only valuable to us but to the rest of the conclave. Also I am doing the warhound since it has a higher chance of success.
But wouldn't we also share the void shield at the Conclave?
 
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