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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Doomed Wombat said:
Unsurprisingly the population of over a trillion has more total psykers than a planet of about 20 billion fight bois.*

(20 billion on world 20 billion on moons.)
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You are failing to take into account that Avernus has magnitudes the number of psykers a world of a similar population would have. Avernus is literally spawning out a million and a half psykers every half decade which is pretty nuts when psykers are supposed to be rare even in these times.
Doomed Wombat said:
Actually the main reasons to retrive Isha are so she can
1. Resurrect the five trillion dead eldar
2. Super charge their population growth which is one of the big reasons why the Eldar can't do nearly as much as they want to.
3. Resurrect the Slann

Even back when she was needed for Guliman and Lin, those were very distant 10s on the list of reasons why the Eldar at least wanted her back.

There's other things only she can do like fixing other eldar gods, resurrecting Astartes heroes like Dante and getting Guliman back to complete 100% for example.

The ritual is complicated, but it does have 1 guaranteed positive upside, according to the AO, it'll add a century maybe 2 if we're lucky until the Dragon feels it can crush the galaxy like an ant.
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I see, didn't know about these facts until now. This info does changes things. I also did consider that a positive from the ritual is that it would make everyone else far more effective against C'Tan like the Void Dragon and destroyer. This is a stuff choice.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
The ritual is complicated, but it does have 1 guaranteed positive upside, according to the AO, it'll add a century maybe 2 if we're lucky until the Dragon feels it can crush the galaxy like an ant.
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Yeah, if that's the case. Let's feed it the Doomed One. That will allow the ritual to go through but should cause enough fuckery for us to grab Isha. We need a revitalized Eldar Empire to wage a war against the Monsters. Also, we might want to check in on every other human polity because while we are well equipped to deal with psykers everywhere. I doubt the other Imperial Remnants are. I am worried about corruption increasing since the veil will be permanently weaker.
 
Durin said:
as things are you can only increase the number that can be built at a time, it doesnt matter if you have a Small Titan Manufactorum making one at a time or a Gargantuan Titan Manufactorum making 64, each Warlord will still take 50 years
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hm...i would think that they would stagger the builds.

thats what real companys do when building things that are long-term projects like airplanes (such as boeing, although maybe they are not the best example with recent events :p). They don't build them in sets, they stagger them. this is also true of large boats/warships as well. (they are getting the build-times pretty fast now tho, its like 50 airplanes a month...!, previously you measured the build-speed by how many months it took to build each, but now they have seriously industrialized the process)

makes it so that you can modify each build with any needed changes. this is more important for cases like ours when your building the first few---cas you often have changes/updates/improvements to make to the construction-effort after learning a few things from doing so.

it also means you don't need larger quanitys of the same sets of parts all at the same time, putting less stress on each part of your industry. (so needing all of the computers when building the computer-part's of it all at the same time, or several entire hulls all at the same time).

but I guess there might be weird build-restrictions on the titans that make it so that building in sets is more efficent. like maybe some special part can be made in sets but is very expensive per-set, making it best to make that set as large as possable instead of making separate build-sets.
 
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Godzillaslayer10 said:
Also, we might want to check in on every other human polity because while we are well equipped to deal with psykers everywhere. I doubt the other Imperial Remnants are. I am worried about corruption increasing since the veil will be permanently weaker.
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Durin already stated that all the other polities don't really have much of an issue dealing with psykers and after thousands of years have figured out their own ways to deal with them. What works for Avernus won't really apply as well to other polities since Avernus is such an anomaly with the insane number of psykers born in one single place along with it being a warp touched world along with said psykers also consisting of an abnormal high number of major psykers.
 
overall the ritual is probably a bad thing as chaos will get the most out of it in the long run since their warp-power source is inf and/or bigger then all other psyker-forces in the galaxy.

the orks apparently are more like a finite, but huge, source while chaos is actively creating more of their own.
humans, eldar also benifit (sorta), but since they have to concern themselves with not going crazy they can't make full use out of the increase in power and they also have fewer psykers then chaos do (if only because deamons count in this case since they also benifit)
 
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Dragon_352 said:
overall the ritual is probably a bad thing as chaos will get the most out of it in the long run since their warp-power source is inf and/or bigger then all other psyker-forces in the galaxy.

the orks apparently are more like a finite, but huge, source while chaos is actively creating more of their own.
humans, eldar also benifit (sorta), but since they have to concern themselves with not going crazy they can't make full use out of the increase in power and they also have fewer psykers then chaos do (if only because deamons count in this case since they also benifit)
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Of course that's the case. After all, if Chaos didn't benefit the most from this, they wouldn't be doing the ritual in the first place.
 
Dragon_352 said:
yeah, but I figured I would shoot down the idea that we want this to happen.

maybe I was just mis-reading the thread but that was the impression I was getting.
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I believe the actual argument is that between weakening the ritual and using it as an opening to free Isha, freeing Isha is likely to be more beneficial to us.

If done properly we can make use of others (the AO, the necrons, etc) working to weaken the ritual as a distraction to go for Isha. Ritual will probably be stronger than the weakest we could have gotten it, but still reduced.
 
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Red Bovine said:
You are failing to take into account that Avernus has magnitudes the number of psykers a world of a similar population would have. Avernus is literally spawning out a million and a half psykers every half decade which is pretty nuts when psykers are supposed to be rare even in these times.
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I know, and its insane by any standard that such a small population is responsible for so large a proportion of the trust's psykers.

Red Bovine said:
I see, didn't know about these facts until now. This info does changes things. I also did consider that a positive from the ritual is that it would make everyone else far more effective against C'Tan like the Void Dragon and destroyer. This is a stuff choice.
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Fair.

Gotta think about this, cause a lot of this info is just floating around the discord.

Godzillaslayer10 said:
Yeah, if that's the case. Let's feed it the Doomed One. That will allow the ritual to go through but should cause enough fuckery for us to grab Isha. We need a revitalized Eldar Empire to wage a war against the Monsters. Also, we might want to check in on every other human polity because while we are well equipped to deal with psykers everywhere. I doubt the other Imperial Remnants are. I am worried about corruption increasing since the veil will be permanently weaker.
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I'll just note that we don't know if feeding the Doomed One won't either backfire spectuacularly, or even have any effect.

This is the kinda weird crap we're dealing with ATM.

Dragon_352 said:
maybe I was just mis-reading the thread but that was the impression I was getting.
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At least in my case I was looking for silver linings in all this, and the biggest silver lining aside from making the galaxy more "interesting" is the Dragon's delay.
 
Byzantine said:
I believe the actual argument is that between weakening the ritual and using it as an opening to free Isha, freeing Isha is likely to be more beneficial to us.
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ah, I understand.

personally, I'm more concerned with tzeetch then nurgle as tzeetch seems more capable/willing of screwing with our attempts to fix the galaxy. so weakening nurgle--the enemy of tzeetch-- by freeing isha would be one downside......not that much of one of course since he is still ultimately our enemie as well admittedly

on the other hand, on a narrative level, I like the idea of freeing isha more then the ritual and I'm guessing i'm not the only one. so I woudlen't complain if the thread decided to start pushing the eldar/forces of sanity to focus on freeing isha instead of stopping the ritual.

also, part of the already-stated reasons why chaos benifits the most is in the long-term and right now we are already in emergency mode so it might be best that we focus on the short term threat of the c'tan/nids and switch back to the orks/chaos later.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I'll just note that we don't know if feeding the Doomed One won't either backfire spectuacularly, or even have any effect.

This is the kinda weird crap we're dealing with ATM.


At least in my case I was looking for silver linings in all this, and the biggest silver lining aside from making the galaxy more "interesting" is the Dragon's delay.
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We can probably ask the Eldar about the Doomed One and how he might affect the ritual since they have a lot of knowledge about rituals. And yeah, no one was saying the ritual was a good thing, just trying to find a silver lining to a bad situation.
 
Red Bovine said:
We can probably ask the Eldar about the Doomed One and how he might affect the ritual since they have a lot of knowledge about rituals. And yeah, no one was saying the ritual was a good thing, just trying to find a silver lining to a bad situation.
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Doubtful even for now.

This is a ritual of such mind boggling scale, complexity and sheer length (due to chaos's temporal nature they've apparently been working on it since Chaos first started/the birth of the abomination/20 years ago/haven't even started yet) that I think even the Eldar are outside of their depth on this one.

Best if not only being to ask is the World on this one I fear.

Even the AO who watched Chaos's birth didn't know this was coming.
 
Unfortunately the Eldar are the ones that will decide what move to make with the ritual or rescue Isha. All I know is if they decide on Saving Private Isha we must do our part by being ready to trigger Green Skies: Ridcully Must Die.
 
So would people want to Have Rosa build another huge forge hive or just a regular hive? Because if we don't have Rosa build a huge hive she will be available to help settle the north.
 
Nurgle said:
So would people want to Have Rosa build another huge forge hive or just a regular hive? Because if we don't have Rosa build a huge hive she will be available to help settle the north.
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I'd suggest forge hives. We do have more cities that need upgraded, but our economy and military is largely based on our ability to produce high-end materials. So, being better at that seems like a really good idea. How else are we going to get lots more Titans?

Also, would like to be able to easily afford getting all of our pdf into power armor, and our helguard into advanced power armor. (huh, if Tranth studies power armor fundamentals, think he could create hyper-advanced/elite power armor?)
 
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Something that we should use Tranth over the Timeskip is on designing the other 3 titan variants.

If only because it is extremely likely that doing so will give him a new trait...
 
While this has probably been suggested, I believe we should spend at least one personal action next turn to help fix what we did wrong with Tormod, with perhaps Klovis helping out. In the end, he is still our last living family member.
 
Ok biggest problem with titans is that they take so long to build. I am waiting to hear back from Durin about doing fundamentals to cut down from building 2 a century for a small Titan foundry.

I am kind of leaning to building more hives since our biggest bottleneck is now thrones.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok biggest problem with titans is that they take so long to build. I am waiting to hear back from Durin about doing fundamentals to cut down from building 2 a century for a small Titan foundry.

I am kind of leaning to building more hives since our biggest bottleneck is now thrones.
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That is for Warlords the biggest Titan design which will take 50 years apiece. If we build more foundries for titans and stagger build them then after the first 50 years we have a steady stream of Warlords and once we get the smaller Titans that means we can get more even faster as those will not take 50 years each.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok biggest problem with titans is that they take so long to build. I am waiting to hear back from Durin about doing fundamentals to cut down from building 2 a century for a small Titan foundry.

I am kind of leaning to building more hives since our biggest bottleneck is now thrones.
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I suggest to put Thrant into designing the rest of the titans, if only because each time he has completed upgrading a whole set of things he has won a trait that gave us a significant bonus to future research...
 
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