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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Artemis1992 said:
I guess this is the price for arrogance.

We could have let Chaos fight this one out, but we wanted to influence the galactic stage a bit more, so we had to take this ourselves and use the Chaos Fleet for a hopefully greater purpose.
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I've been thinking about that, and the possibility of exterminatusing the planet when the 'Nids showed up and harassing the swarm so it couldn't just leave.
For the first, the Waaagh we redirected will hopefully save more lives for the side of order than we've lost.
For the second, the added Synapse of not having to control the ground forces might have led to more void casualties. Plus, you know, exterminatusing our own people. And losing a populated planet permanently. That said, I'm decidedly uncertain.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
I guess this is the price for arrogance.

We could have let Chaos fight this one out, but we wanted to influence the galactic stage a bit more, so we had to take this ourselves and use the Chaos Fleet for a hopefully greater purpose.
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I beleve the logic was more, fear of the giant chaos fleet in the area.

Hekatonkir was more the fun way we had of defusing the chaos fleet.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I guess this is the price for arrogance.

We could have let Chaos fight this one out, but we wanted to influence the galactic stage a bit more, so we had to take this ourselves and use the Chaos Fleet for a hopefully greater purpose.
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Getting Abbadon's attention would have been worse. He would see us crushed utterly to get his hands on our technology.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I guess this is the price for arrogance.

We could have let Chaos fight this one out, but we wanted to influence the galactic stage a bit more, so we had to take this ourselves and use the Chaos Fleet for a hopefully greater purpose.
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We didn't want to deal with the potential Bad End (well, you know, Honourbound consuming) of Abby's attention.
 
Enjou said:
Getting Abbadon's attention would have been worse. He would see us crushed utterly to get his hands on our technology.
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True, but after our Operation to take the reigns of that fleet I would have judged the danger low enough, so letting them kill Nids and go home seemed like a good option.

Whatever, done is done and if the next Big Whaag!!! hits Abbadon instead of friendly forces I'll consider it worth it.
 
Artemis1992 said:
True, but after our Operation to take the reigns of that fleet I would have judged the danger low enough, so letting them kill Nids and go home seemed like a good option.

Whatever, done is done and if the next Big Whaag!!! hits Abbadon instead of friendly forces I'll consider it worth it.
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Even with us in command of the fleet the chance was still decent that Abbadon would have been made aware of our presence.
 
As far as I can see this was a pretty solid success. the only irreplaceable resources lost were the heroes and the only one of those that was unique enough to be worth really regretting was Pelinor. everything else we can make more of, including Governors of Asgard.
 
Ugh, those losses. At least it's finally over.

Though... why the hell was our Paragon Hunter fighting bio titans instead of infiltrators, and Companion of Varen with their anti-titan paragon combat trait infiltrators instead of bio titans?

Sad to see Sir Pellinore die, he was an interesting Paragon and I was looking forward to seeing him catch the Questing Beast. This will make exploration of Avernus harder.
 
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Interestingly there were no real tactical failures on either side this war. We only really won because of good initial rolls in space and Eldar reinforcements, and we only got savaged/almost lost because the Nids had very good rolls overall.
 
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Durin said:
For the Imperium the only way they could had dealt with Grabalkar is if they had a lot t of warning and had a doomstack steamroll each of the splinter fleets when they first arrived. They would have suffered heavy losses but if they started with enough forces to outnumber each splinter fleet 60 to one and got a few reinforcements they could have done it. Of course said forces would basically be the segmentums entire reserves, so if any other issues that local forces can't deal with turned up they would be in trouble.
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Looking back at this I have to say that it's pretty ironic that the fall of the Imperium may have actually vastly improved the odds of the side of Order coming out on top. Durin's reply outright states that even if the Imperium did win against Grabalkar it would have been a very costly victory and that's in the best case scenario with a lot of warning before hand. And this was just one single Hive Fleet and not even the most dangerous one with the the ones like the Hive Fleet consisting of living metal Nids that are giving a polity with DAoT led by a Primarchs a tough time with their Swarm Lord having outright killed Vulkan twice and forcing the other Primarchs to retreat from fights.

If the Imperium had to deal with the current threats to the galaxy they'd like never have stood a chance. It says a lot that Abbadon ruling the largest remnants of the old Imperium is technically a net gain even for the side of order since he is sane and competent enough to get an entire Imperium of chaos followers together to fight threats that the side of order couldn't deal with. And that includes the currenty Nid threats.

So yeah, pretty ironic that the fall of the old Imperium of Man may have actually been a good thing since it splintering let the Remnants develop into something far more competent/efficient than the giant mess that was the Imperium.
 
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Enerael said:
Ugh, those losses. At least it's finally over.

Though... why the hell was our Paragon Hunter fighting bio titans instead of infiltrators, and Companion of Varen with their anti-titan paragon combat trait infiltrators instead of bio titans?

Sad to see Sir Pellinore die, he was an interesting Paragon and I was looking forward to seeing him catch the Questing Beast. This will make exploration of Avernus harder.
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Cause his traits make him very good at fighting them as well, if not as good as the Companions.
 
I know I'm usually the negative one in these situations, so I'll try to be more positive for a change.

This was a brutal war, mistakes were made (ironically not in the battle itself, but more the build up to it) but this likey was one of the best outcomes (in a relative sense, it could have gone so much better, but I guess we're on the dice god's shit list this week.)

But at the end of the day, the trust is still in one piece, its sufferend a blow that will take decades to recover from on our own, but we're not alone we have the Blood Dragons who've taken far fewer ground based casulties and will be teching up as we increase integration, we've lost heroes, but sad as that is they were some of the better one that could have gone down (shivers about Jane) and Hrothgar was probably the best High Council member who could die.

More than that for the trust as a whole this is a message that despite Lin's death we can weather the trials of the galaxy. It'll be painful, but we can do it and by damnation we will do so.

Grab your bags fellas, lets get some tinder to feed the sparks!
 
You know it's funny despite facing the Eldar-lite Nids in a way we had the most problems with their titans. Imagine what facing the Titan Nids would had been like.
 
Enerael said:
Ugh, those losses. At least it's finally over.

Though... why the hell was our Paragon Hunter fighting bio titans instead of infiltrators, and Companion of Varen with their anti-titan paragon combat trait infiltrators instead of bio titans?

Sad to see Sir Pellinore die, he was an interesting Paragon and I was looking forward to seeing him catch the Questing Beast. This will make exploration of Avernus harder.
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Pellinor is basically specced out for hunting Bio-Titans, and not really specced for fighting Infiltrators.
 
Yeah, wish we'd started building Titans long ago when we first got the option. I'd imagine Avernus pattern Titans would have helped a lot.
 
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