The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
While it sucks we are taking such casualties the bright side is that us doing as well as we are has shown how far we have come considering that the old Imperium of Man would have had serious trouble with just Hive Fleet Leviathan while we as small as we are able to take on a fleet as big as it with the Nids in said fleet being many times dangerous than the ones the Imperium of old dealt with.

I wonder how well the old Imperium of Man would have done against a Hive Fleet like Grábakr?
Likely pretty horrifically considering the sheer number of battleships and super capitals in Grábakr, let alone the stronger Shadow in the Warp, Genestealers for basic infantry and mass use of pysker powers.

Outside of trying to throw Titan Legions, massed guardsmen(to slow the Nids for Artillery/ordenatus), deploying dozens of Astartes Chapters and as many Sisters of Battle/Silence units that they could draw on, there isn't much they could do on the ground outside of launching cyclonic torpedoes at every world in its way until they could amass sufficient numbers.

In space the situation might be worse considering how the Trust's ships match up with the Nids; the Imperium would need significant numbers to counter Grábakr in the void. Which ties into the hive fleet's massive number of battleships that the IOM would need to figure out how to face(only saving grace for the IOM is their FTL advantage for redeployment.). Then there's Grábakr's stronger Shadow of the Warp which is another nightmare for the IOM considering that when engaging under it; you have to win and wipe out the Nids or die, there's no retreat.
 
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I feel like we should set up a small monument for this event to differentiate ourselves from the old imperium-- the loss of the billions here is NOT nothing and we DO care.

In fact I think we should do that for all large-scale military actions going forward. (it doesn't have to be so huge that it costs billions or even millions, so I'm not sure how it should be abstracted on our action/eco plans)

maybe it would be an opportunity to make a choice about how to market the losses to the public. (IE: try to get a temporary morale bonus or martial bonus or....etc by choosing what kind of monument to build/what to say on the pedestal.) the size/cost of it could also make how big of a bonus it is?

edit: in fact, we should have (if we don't already) a holiday like veteran's day in US (and I'm sure many other countries have similar) to celebrate and we could even encourage people to (partly) take the day off (obviously we can't complete in the case of city-defenders since people will die if they do that on Avernus). we could make this an opportunity to try to raise morale (course, we don't need that right now *cough cough* 20/10 morale *cough cough*, but we might need it in the future and it would be more believable if we have been doing it even before morale was needed) and more importantly....loyalty.
 
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I feel like we should set up a small monument for this event to differentiate ourselves from the old imperium-- the loss of the billions here is NOT nothing and we DO care.

In fact I think we should do that for all large-scale military actions going forward. (it doesn't have to be so huge that it costs billions or even millions, so I'm not sure how it should be abstracted on our action/eco plans)

maybe it would be an opportunity to make a choice about how to market the losses to the public. (IE: try to get a temporary morale bonus or martial bonus or....etc by choosing what kind of monument to build/what to say on the pedestal.) the size/cost of it could also make how big of a bonus it is?

edit: in fact, we should have (if we don't already) a holiday like veteran's day in US (and I'm sure many other countries have similar) to celebrate and we could even encourage people to (partly) take the day off (obviously we can't complete in the case of city-defenders since people will die if they do that on Avernus). we could make this an opportunity to try to raise morale (course, we don't need that right now *cough cough* 20/10 morale *cough cough*, but we might need it in the future and it would be more believable if we have been doing it even before morale was needed) and more importantly....loyalty.

Perhaps the Ministorum could take care of it? Sacrificing yourself to preserve what you care about is kind of a whole thing in religion, and the Ministorum in theory does pretty much everything with the tacit approval of Rotbart/The Trust government.
 
yeah, if the orks had not just mauled all the chaos forces in the region, and a good number from further out you could expect a major attack as soon as it looks like you were winning this war
Very much prefer to be the backstabber here. Danged Nids! Could've been in a perfect position to conquer all the non-T3 Orks.
 
So we have held the first line for a whole month and delayed them at their landing sites for a week, so we are a month and one week since the 'nids first landed and the Prime Fortress has yet to be attacked, better than expected to be honest.

This attempted deception from the 'nids over the poisons shows how cunning they can be, glad it doesn't know about our most powerful assets so hasn't been able to account for them in it's plans.
 
General Aleksander Andreassen managed to fight his way out with over half a his men still alive.
Promotion!

I wonder how well the old Imperium of Man would have done against a Hive Fleet like Grábakr?
They would have gotten massacred. Maybe stopped the Hive Fleet with a phyrric victory in space and massed exterminatus'es of friendly planets, but it would have cost so many assets drawn off from other sectors that chaos could have just walked all over at will in all those sectors while said assets were away... and most of said assets would never return, on account of being dead and destroyed.

TL:DR: Yes, the old Imperium could have stopped Grabakr, but there's a good chance it would have been pushed over the brink while doing so. And the old imperium could have failed to stop the incursion in time, leading to a massively snowballing Hive Fleet nobody could stop, or the Necrons going all out inside the galaxy.

This attempted deception from the 'nids over the poisons shows how cunning they can be, glad it doesn't know about our most powerful assets so hasn't been able to account for them in it's plans.
We certainly hope they don't know about our most powerful assets, but their infiltrators might catch wind of some of it... and rumors of assets and plans that simply doesn't exist, of course. Counterintelligence and unconfirmed rumor is fun that way.
 
For the Imperium the only way they could had dealt with Grabalkar is if they had a lot t of warning and had a doomstack steamroll each of the splinter fleets when they first arrived. They would have suffered heavy losses but if they started with enough forces to outnumber each splinter fleet 60 to one and got a few reinforcements they could have done it. Of course said forces would basically be the segmentums entire reserves, so if any other issues that local forces can't deal with turned up they would be in trouble.
 
For the Imperium the only way they could had dealt with Grabalkar is if they had a lot t of warning and had a doomstack steamroll each of the splinter fleets when they first arrived. They would have suffered heavy losses but if they started with enough forces to outnumber each splinter fleet 60 to one and got a few reinforcements they could have done it. Of course said forces would basically be the segmentums entire reserves, so if any other issues that local forces can't deal with turned up they would be in trouble.
So Chaos would have immidately taken the chance to throw the Segmentum into...well chaos basically.
 
If everyone's complaining about the casualties, why didn't anyone vote to evacaute all the men both elite and normal soldiers, instead of abandoning them to die?
 
If everyone's complaining about the casualties, why didn't anyone vote to evacaute all the men both elite and normal soldiers, instead of abandoning them to die?
probably because if you tired to evacuate everyone then there would have been a good chance that the evacuation would have failed and you would have suffered more losses
 
Well this has been quite a journey! 5443 pages, the largest thread I have fully read. What a wonderfull tale you all have crafted together. A great community has made this a joy to read through. A distinct lack of shitstorms of any grand size and the idea everyone here is working together. Thestory would have bee nlesser without the myriad of people commenting and contributing. All possible thanks to Durin. Who is one of the most reliable and consistent QM's I have had the pleasure of reading the thread of. The sheer patience required to answer all the the little questions in the thread is quite incredible.

Thank you all for the entertainment you have given me these past two months. Quite a ride! With the effort put in I might make this the first quest I intend to actively participate in. It seems like it would be well worth it!
 
Well this has been quite a journey! 5443 pages, the largest thread I have fully read. What a wonderfull tale you all have crafted together. A great community has made this a joy to read through. A distinct lack of shitstorms of any grand size and the idea everyone here is working together. Thestory would have bee nlesser without the myriad of people commenting and contributing. All possible thanks to Durin. Who is one of the most reliable and consistent QM's I have had the pleasure of reading the thread of. The sheer patience required to answer all the the little questions in the thread is quite incredible.

Thank you all for the entertainment you have given me these past two months. Quite a ride! With the effort put in I might make this the first quest I intend to actively participate in. It seems like it would be well worth it!
thank you and glad to have another addition to the quest with the patience to read everything
 
Watching the writing of the people here develop was a joy. Seeing people get better of the course of two months reading was one of the best things about the thread. Watching the thread develop away from only Enjou and Haman plans was also fun to watch. real shame Haman is still gone though. The Enjou-Haman debates were early highlights of the thread.

It has been great fun to watch the thread develop together with the people in it. Almost no one of the original voters are still around and seeing the character and big names of the thread shift around was very interesting.

I am glad to have led you down memory lane Piren! It can be quite fun and educational.
 
@Durin
Are the casualities suffered in line with the expectations, better or worse for the current time?
Next update will reveal wether the naval side is still on time or or not.
 
Based on the miracle 100 from the 5th we're probably ahead both on time and survivors. We know the first set of poisons lasted longer than feared, if the remainder last 2 weeks we'll overshoot even the worst fleet projection.
 
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Based on the miracle 100 from the 5th we're probably ahead both on time and survivors. We know the first set of poisons lasted longer than feared, if the remainder last 2 weeks we'll overshoot even the worst fleet projection.
It may have lasted longer because they wanted to spring their adaption on us, so they may just go for full cure now.

Still it is a good sign.
 
That itself would be good, because it would mean they haven't yet caught on that our divination and prediction skills are ridiculously good.
Between everything I think they probably know by now, the issue is that there's very little you can do to adapt to such an accurate diviner in the middle of a battle.

Is anyone tackling the Anderson Omake?
I'm thinking of having a shot at it after a lecture.
 
mostly try not to base him to much on Hellsing, and that he is a general more then a warrior (though not necessarily a bad warrior but not great) he also is a father to his men type general
 
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