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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Lowton
The numbers!
They Confuse and Scare me!
They Confuse and Scare me!
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Brief analysis of the Tyranid and Eldar fleets
First the Eldar ships combine high base elvels of firepower with the smallest range penalties you have seen, making them dangerous at all ranges but deadly at extreme range (such as harassment), they make up for it by being rather fragile for ships of their size at anything but long range, again making them dangerous at harrasment
the one exception to this are the Ghostships, who have the armour of your toughest battleships and devastatingly powerful very short ranged weapons, and seem to be pretty much built for removing very tough very well armored targets such as Hive Ships and battleships. they also counter the Eldars vunerability to range in part
The Tyranids combine high HP and armour with a mix of high AP weapons that work at all ranges, making them an effective generlsit fleet that is terrifying for well armoured foes (like most Imperial Trust fleets). Their Maw ships have very high AP short ranged attacks but suffer at high or extreme ranges. they also have a mechanic giving them a boost depending on their current synaptic network which at its highest massive boost multiple fields
First the Eldar ships combine high base elvels of firepower with the smallest range penalties you have seen, making them dangerous at all ranges but deadly at extreme range (such as harassment), they make up for it by being rather fragile for ships of their size at anything but long range, again making them dangerous at harrasment
the one exception to this are the Ghostships, who have the armour of your toughest battleships and devastatingly powerful very short ranged weapons, and seem to be pretty much built for removing very tough very well armored targets such as Hive Ships and battleships. they also counter the Eldars vunerability to range in part
The Tyranids combine high HP and armour with a mix of high AP weapons that work at all ranges, making them an effective generlsit fleet that is terrifying for well armoured foes (like most Imperial Trust fleets). Their Maw ships have very high AP short ranged attacks but suffer at high or extreme ranges. they also have a mechanic giving them a boost depending on their current synaptic network which at its highest massive boost multiple fields
So...is there a "horrified" rating I can give this or something?
At least an accurate autocorrupt can give me a small smile before this bloodbath.
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Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
In the currently winning Shards plan, I think that Landeer will spend his Ghostships on enemy Hiveships in the first phase, as the set priorities makes them of little use afterwards and other Eldar ships are not well specced against Hiveships. This will likely amount for the majority of Eldar losses during that phase, the rest of Eldar ships conducting harassment throughout. This is probably the only time where focusing Heavies is a good idea I think.
By word of Durin (on Discord), focusing on heavies does not increase damage from the Nynye poison.
I maintain that focusing Synaptic Nodes (which also means Hiveships, as those amount for 4/5 of the network) is a better idea, but focusing Heavies is not a bad one.
I am rather worried about the lack of any focus on their harassment screen though, these Nids are deadly at Long range and we will be harassing a lot. Might also allow our fleets to fight at long range, so they can keep away from the Maws.
The secondary Maw focus in the harassment phase is problematic I believe, because the Nids will have little to no reason to not ball them up in the middle of their formation as they would be pretty much sitting ducks against the Eldar, meaning they will have to fight through an undepleted Generalist screen into the core of enemy formation, covered by the heavy Hiveships guns, to kill them. Very much not worth it I believe.
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- Location
- Australia
Huh, so do we need to work on creating fleets with different specs? Maybe geared towards shields? I'm unsure what the equivalent to armour - if any exists in this quest.
- Location
- England
We don't because we are very unlikely to fight the nids again.
- Location
- yorkshire
and having to change our ships to face different enemies would be irritating
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
And because on the low chance we do run into more nids, the chances are they won't have the same set up as these ones.
Well the tyranid specs are rather terrifying, and the eldar specs rather unimpressive by comparison. It seems like the Eldar's only significant advantage over Trust ships is effectiveness of their weapons at range and better attack craft. While the tyranids are better at everything. The tyrand bioplasma weapons are even better at long range than the Eldar weapons.
I'm rather surprised the tyranids have such big armor ratings though. I had thought they had shifted to huge HP pools and low armor as a response to Necron weapons having absurd armor penetration.
I'm rather surprised the tyranids have such big armor ratings though. I had thought they had shifted to huge HP pools and low armor as a response to Necron weapons having absurd armor penetration.
- Location
- USA
Alright figured out how much power each synapse ship provides percent wise durin already told us the cruiser synapses provide 22% total for a number of 193.5 out of 1120 synapse power
the command battleships individually provide 26 points but only have 4 so their contribution is actually only 104 less than the cruisers total
and the Battleships are the workhorses providing the other 822 points. So killing the CB's doesnt really hurt their synapse network much just their overall firepower.
Edit: Mind they still have 300 hp and 200 shields on top of their firepower which is many times better than our own CB's so still worth it.
the command battleships individually provide 26 points but only have 4 so their contribution is actually only 104 less than the cruisers total
and the Battleships are the workhorses providing the other 822 points. So killing the CB's doesnt really hurt their synapse network much just their overall firepower.
Edit: Mind they still have 300 hp and 200 shields on top of their firepower which is many times better than our own CB's so still worth it.
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- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Mostly through interception and body-blocking I imagine. Deny all attempts to close in by using specialist ships that are too dangerous to ignore, but too tough to insta-gib, thus buying the regular fleet time and space to maintain their preferred method of "cut to pieces at range".
So, over-sized/powered escorts?
3223. Ooh, symmetry
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
You are underestimating the Eldar quite a bit. Also the Tyranid ships stats can drop quite a lot when they start losing synapse
That's still an advantage to tyranid ships though. Synergistic benefits from having certain fleet compositions is common to pretty much every navy we've seen.
They are getting really huge buffs to their stats: armor, shields, hp, accuracy, armor penetration. Though their synaptic boost may not decline all that much from ships being shot down as the synapse boost is the amount of synapse divided by the amount of forces using it, and it's capped at 2.0 when they have enough forces for about 2.5. So unless we shoot down synapse ships with quite a large bias compared to other ships it's not going to decline.
What's more interesting is that the synapse boost for ships is also affected by them deploying ground forces. So when they deploy ground forces their space forces will actually get weaker.
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- Location
- Australia
Maybe this fleet of 'nids haven't been fighting Necrons? Or at least have had enough time away from Necrons to respec into a more generalist fleet?
- Location
- USA
Well they have been fighting us for decades at this point respeccing was inevitable.
- Location
- Brazil, Minas gerais
It's a shame that we don't have the ritual that is anti-nids. But given the ones that we have I would say that is better this way^^ (fuck chaos).
Also the auto corruption almost make this post far different.
Also the auto corruption almost make this post far different.
- Location
- Australia
@Durin, Sanguinius' soul may be on the Vengeful Spirit. Here's a transcript of where I got the information from.
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
- Location
- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream: Sanguinius Edition.
- Location
- western US
???
why are you assuming that Sanguinius is being tortored from that video? I thought it is just, like, his essesese left over or something.
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
- Location
- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
Aside from the fact that his soul has been stuck on a Daemonic Gloriana for over 10 thousand years? Do I really need to explain how that is a bad thing?
- Location
- western US
I thought he was killed and his soul scattered?
- Location
- Australia
All we knew from canon was that he was killed and did not come back to life.
If I had to guess it's more like being in stasis or something, rather than him being conscious.