Doomed Wombat
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Its even less when you remember it likely can make that power back in a year.
God of faith and all.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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God of faith and all.
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Teleportation abilities we have are either Warptech or outright psychic power and both are horrible idea to use during incursion/in close proximity to Exalted Daemon, never mind the fact that blowing up Dis is far worse outcome than just delaying it unless we/Eldest One roll really badly, like crit fail or nothing but sub-10 rolls badly, and even that is questionable since even then we are very unlikely to loose Dis itself.
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Is that a valid option?
Doomed Wombat
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Yes let us teleport Lin...through the warp.
The warp that at this point is filled with so many daemons that it is basically more daemon than warp.
Teleport him through that warp.
No, there's only two people who can still teleport ATM, Phase Lions and Areatha and only HHWO has the skill needed to grab Lin and move him successfully.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
I disagree. Abomination has plenty of power that it is not using to keep the Dragon in check.
Durin said that keeping the Void Dragon contained takes something like 80% max of its power I think? A massive amount, but hardly all of it.
Also, the other Chaos Gods don't want the Void Dragon free either.
We can always ask the Eldar Seers whether they think trying for permakill is a good idea.
Durin said that lending AO the BCS would only increase the chances that he permakills the FC a little.
Making a Chaos God 1% weaker for the cost of a few combat heroes seems very worth it to me. As i understand it, this would be a permanent loss.
Not that I expect to lose that many, considering AO and Areatha.
Border Lions, and I don't remember any mention of them being unable to transport Lin, only AO.
Though with the size of his soul, would not be surprised if they couldn't. Would also make playing keepaway with him trivial, so Durin would likely axe it.
Areatha can teleport him? Ouch. We should have asked her to port him to the UU or something once Dis becomes seriously threatened to play keep away, or to orbit.
The Helguard are probably going to be little better than the Helltroopers in the aftermath of this after losing 71% of their numbers on the entire planet.
The Helltroopers are going to take a pretty big loss of experience as well after 43% of their numbers. Especially since we'll have to skim off another 10% or so to replenish the Helguard. I wouldn't be surprised if we're already eating -50 or -100 to their skill levels after this.
The Helltroopers are going to take a pretty big loss of experience as well after 43% of their numbers. Especially since we'll have to skim off another 10% or so to replenish the Helguard. I wouldn't be surprised if we're already eating -50 or -100 to their skill levels after this.
I do understand that we tithe more than we keep on the planet, but it's not like we're going to get a reduction in the quantity we tithe because our military was wrecked. The losses still amount to like 25% of the total Helguard, and the survivors mostly won't have gained experience because they survived by virtue of not being there. It means that the Helguard won't lose their entire experience bonus, but it's still going to dilute it terribly. It also means that most of our military won't have the incursion survivor trait.
Good thing the astartes were saved! Even though they're only a tiny portion of the total trust astartes (~1%), and their loss could be replenished far more quickly than we're going to replenish our soldiers.
Also seems like the combat system is seriously simplified since the last major war. No individual combat rolls with combat mods, city defense modifier reduced from a couple hundred to 40. I get simplifying the system to make things go faster, but I do find it odd that the artifacts we recently picked up for our heroes still had stats reflecting the old system. Those artifacts seem to have mostly done nothing.
Good thing the astartes were saved! Even though they're only a tiny portion of the total trust astartes (~1%), and their loss could be replenished far more quickly than we're going to replenish our soldiers.
Also seems like the combat system is seriously simplified since the last major war. No individual combat rolls with combat mods, city defense modifier reduced from a couple hundred to 40. I get simplifying the system to make things go faster, but I do find it odd that the artifacts we recently picked up for our heroes still had stats reflecting the old system. Those artifacts seem to have mostly done nothing.
It wouldn't be a permanent loss of power, it would simply stop it from using that particular exalted anymore. Nothing is stopping it from creating a new one from the power freed up since it no longer has to sustain the old Exalted or just promote a competent 2nd circle.
Doomed Wombat
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80% of the power of a chaos god, that's 80 exalted's worthy.
That is 4/5ths of its power. That is an unbelievable amount of power there is no other chaos god making that kind of commitment and the rest of the chaos gods ain't likely to lift a finger to intervene.
No she can't, hence why I said only HHWO can do it.
Lin's soul is just so bright they'd be on him immidiately.
I doubt that, given that our entire military is effectively in Dis at the moment or under siege, they're going to have the trait.
We're going to have more than enough soldiers to replace the Helguard and Helltroopers, several times over I fear.
This combat system only comes up during incursions. The artefacts are primarily for heroes, and the like. The number of master hunters for example is much higher than it would have been had we not aquired them, and for someone like Jacob his artifact shield will give him a boost if he comes into direct conflict with the Angyl.
We switch over to a more indepth system when fighting something like the Tyranids.
I don't think so man.
Pretty sure that all the power invested in a demon that is permakilled goes with that demon. So if that Abomination pumped First Circle gets the BCS to the eye socket? All the power invested in that being is gone.
That blade is the personification/concept of the end of all things in the real and the warp. With all that entails.
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Doomed Wombat
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That's not the point, the fact remains that its a chaos god that recieves power equal to an exalted passively practically every hour.
Well, no, not every hour, and not even every year. But within several decades, sure.
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I would buy it. he finally dies, and then just pops back into being perfectly healthy.
Doomed Wombat
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A minor god doesn't even need a whole segementum to get to exalted PL, Tjapa can pull on the faith of an entire galaxy, to say nothing of its other domains and the like.
In raw power it probably does, thankfully a lot of that power is likely spent quickly. The only real loss for the abomination is having to find a replacement, which is presumably harder than it sounds or else we'd be drowining in exalted.
Arsene Lupin
I Am The Pillager Of Twilight
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Miniyev: oh come on.
Might have something to do with the Warp's Law of Narrative?
Only souls (or echoes there of) of suitable experience and caliber are able to withstand and utilize the power an Exalted wields.
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Well Exalted is still a massive power investment even for a Chaos god, so he gives that much power to the best and most skilled of his daemons - aka. trancendants. That way chance to permanently loose that power is very low and giving power multipliers to your most skilled units is both common sense (that's the core of what we've been doing on Avernus after all) and in character for Chaos.
Well, we don't need to. We can mix them with elites for better odds without as large casualties, and we can have heroes ready to defend the Vault in case 1st does manage to get through. And, hopefully, that Elder Dragon will be amenable to charging at the 1st in search of glorious doom.
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I can't see the Ancient dragon not agreeing. It's pretty much the best narrative death he could hope for: Holding the line just long enough for reinforcements to arrive and turn the tide of the battle.
Only thing better would be a mutual KO with an Exalted, but that isn't going to happen and he knows it. (and this give him a very slight chance of that anyway.)
Only thing better would be a mutual KO with an Exalted, but that isn't going to happen and he knows it. (and this give him a very slight chance of that anyway.)
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Doomed Wombat
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Thing is they're not transcendent. It's significantly harder for warp beings to transcend apparently so exalted are paragons the only one whose probably a transcendent is Kairos and well fair to say he earned it.
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I'm sorry. Didn't a single Exalted pretty much solo that big coalition of gods you guys got so invested in? Ah yes, here it is;
Exalted Greater Daemons from my understanding pretty much shit on minor gods. If they could survive Chaos' finest leg breakers coming after them intact they wouldn't really be minor after all. That's literally the peak of minor god potential from what's Durin said.
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Doomed Wombat
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Its a power thing, not ability thing.
Exalted have the advantage of a daddy whose willing to give them extra power in a pinch, there were two gods in there that matched an exalted in raw power, but the ability to have their stores instantly replenished in the warp is fecking nonsense.
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Yeah, I'm going to need citations there buddy considering how easily a single Exalted bodied multiple gods, on their home turf, working together with prep time. That's not 'they have more staying power and can get second winds'- that's minor gods being elite mooks barely being mentioned by name in an Exalted GD's personal action movie. Narrative weight and history alone should make the comparison even more skewed in an Exalted's favor.
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The Exalted also likely had prep time and not all the Minor Gods fought it since iirc the Peace god died to Khorne.