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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Ok. I think we should go for the regulars option with some light changes.

We need 2 minutes. Thats it. Send the regs at him. Have our heroes and elites wait 1 minute from the vault as a last stand in case the regs fail.

If we succeed all we lost is some regulars. If it fails, all we lost extra is some regulars.
 
DarknessSmiles said:
Ok. I think we should go for the regulars option with some light changes.

We need 2 minutes. Thats it. Send the regs at him. Have our heroes and elites wait 1 minute from the vault as a last stand in case the regs fail.

If we succeed all we lost is some regulars. If it fails, all we lost extra is some regulars.
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Send in the Dragon before all though, this is his final hurrah.

StormySky said:
No, transcendence requires something harder than that. Lin will probably just get a different trait than that one. Hopefully he gets paragon combat though.
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I'm hoping for a trait that would give a + vs chaos.

Something to increase his chances of obliterating the curse.
 
This is the point where we go for broke and say 'YOU SHALL NOT PASS'!

I say we charge the fuckers with everything we've got! Send in the Ancient Dragon, then the Helgard and regulars, and then bring up the heroes as the rearguard.
 
Reader of all said:
Why? Heroes have a guaranteed chance of delaying the angel this IS the final fight.
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No it's not. Trying to kill him right now would leave out the AO and Areatha, which would be idiotic.

We are delaying until they arrive. If we use our heroes now, not only are we risking losing them, but we will pay for it dearly in the final fight.

Doomed Wombat said:
Hard, but far from impossible just look at the Black Irons we do it nearly every major engagement. I know they're considerably smaller, but the point stands.

Especially when we will have many many survivors and they'll have more than enough recruits.
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Over 2/3 of Helguard is out of the fight, most of them at least almost certainly permanently so. Already rebuilding it, much less expanding after, would cause a significant skill drop.

If we are left with 15% of our Helguard after this, forget about expansion, replenishing them will be a major struggle, and their skill would drop by a lot.

If you insist on losing even more of them, perhaps write in something for regulars to take the brunt of it and Helguard only on support and if the regulars fail?


If Jane will not participate in the final battle, lend Jacob the BCS. It is useless in our hands now, and its not like Jacob has to use it if Gravity's Bite would serve him better.
 
Enerael said:
Over 2/3 of Helguard is out of the fight, most of them at least almost certainly permanently so. Already rebuilding it, much less expanding after, would cause a significant skill drop.

If we are left with 15% of our Helguard after this, forget about expansion, replenishing them will be a major struggle, and their skill would drop by a lot.

If you insist on losing even more of them, perhaps write in something for regulars to take the brunt of it and Helguard only on support and if the regulars fail?
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I think you vastly underestimate avernites, its a blow, but its far from going to reduce their skill too much considering the huge skill increase everyone is going to be getting.

The plan is already Dragon, regular elite mix, heroes at the back.

With luck the Dragon will give us the 1-2 minutes we need already.
 
I'm thinking that amidst whatever force we send that we send in Jane and either Mittens or the Companions of Varen, giving Mittens (or the Companions) the BCS. Might be able to permawound or, if we're very lucky, permakill this thing.

EDIT: Could give Mittens the BCS then have him hand it off to the Companions once his ambush is complete.
 
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On the brightside while it will be a pain in the ass to rebuild the good news is that most of our other cities and hives wouldn't even be that damaged if at all since the incursion was mainly aimed at Dis and the areas around it.
 
Durin said:
More Machine then Man (+4C, -3D, far less likely to die)- Lieutenant -General Mineyev had to replace over 80% of his body with advanced bionics after his fight with Headcrusha. This bionics significantly increase his strength and toughness, though they make him look rather monstrous.
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@Durin, what kind of injuries did Mineyev sustain that would cripple the last 20% of his fleshy bits?
 
Remember that we tithe more Helguard than we keep on Avernus, so even if all planetside Helguard carks it we would still have decent amount remaining (though with Tyranids incoming such blow to Trust's superelites would be really bad either way).
 
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DeusFerreus said:
Remember that we tithe more Helguard than we keep on Avernus, so even if all planetside Helguard carks we would still have decent amount remaining (though with Tyranids incoming such blow to Trust's superelites would be really bad either way).
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This is a very good point. We might have to pull them back some to help with rebuilding, which would be bad, much less against these Tyranids, but the situation is not as dire as I though.

Still dire though.

Reader of all said:
Areatha and the ancient one completely mulched the first 1st circle angyl, the moment they arrive we win so yes this is the final battle.
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Not that easy. While I agree that the battle is probably won once they arrive, question is how long it will take them, how much collateral, and if the FC can bull through them and the vault door to Lin while fighting them, he will be about a minute away from him at that point after all.

Hm. AO has been killing daemons this powerful for ages, and he has Areatha on support... I wonder if it is viable to set it up so that Jane with the BCS deals the killing blow? As far as I know this would result in maximum permakill chance.

Risky, but if we manage to permakill the ****er even losing half of our heroes would be worth it.
 
Nah killing our heroes for nobbling a single % of the abom's power when we still need it fighting dragon. Nah we just need it gone.
 
I wonder....
Are AO kills permanent against daemons?
It would make sense for them to be, given Avernus and his age and mid tier divine weapon.
 
A %1 of power doesn't seem like a lot but it does when the Abomination is fighting against the dragon and the other chaos gods.
 
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