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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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1. So for Gulliman's healing, as far as I am aware these are the distinct forces we know of, none of which cannot be combined, of which we should pick 3 Max?
a. Healing Herbs
b. Alkahestry
c. Rune of Purification
d. Vulkan Artifice
e. Eldar Help
f. Black Crystal?
g. Dragon Words of Power?
h. Anything else?
2. The main confusion I am seeing is whether the Healing Herbs can be combined with Alkahestry plus Geneseed to form a greater whole? Does Lulana have an answer?
1. So for Gulliman's healing, as far as I am aware these are the distinct forces we know of, none of which cannot be combined, of which we should pick 3 Max?
a. Healing Herbs
b. Alkahestry
c. Rune of Purification
d. Vulkan Artifice
e. Eldar Help
f. Black Crystal?
g. Dragon Words of Power?
h. Anything else?
2. The main confusion I am seeing is whether the Healing Herbs can be combined with Alkahestry plus Geneseed to form a greater whole? Does Lulana have an answer?
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Pretty sure he confirmed that these don't count as an additional one, they just enhance everything else.
Enerael
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Pretty sure that these can be combined without issue. This is what Alkahestry is all about.
Edit: You forgot Words of Power. That Therondy Dragon thing.
Edit2: Also Lin himself counts as one thing.
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Surprised we can fit as many as 3. In that case I think the best would probably be:
a. Rune of Purification
b. Healing Herbs
c. Lin Sacrifice w/Black Crystal
However if the Black Crystal doesn't count or isn't usable then Vulkan can forge an artifact for Lin as the third force.
Enerael
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I say use Nynye Alkahestry for Poison (using Herbs ideally), Lin for Curse, and pretty much anything or nothing for the Wound. Primarch constitution can take care of that one alone, or Corax can surgery it close without a problem or psychic interference.
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Well, Divination, Daemonology, Telepathy and Biomancy should all raise her control, and I'm pretty sure Telekinesis would too (we actually don't have any Heroic Telekinetics whose trait I could check). Plus there's an increase from the trait itself.
Well, I think she gets +8 Control from the mastery traits, and then she might get another 3 from the Omnimancer trait itself. I guess odds are a bit long without some other trait to increase Control, though. Something like Expert Artisan.
Wouldn't a guy with a bandage and sewing needle solve the Wound? Or just enough blood to transfuse it faster than Guilliman bleeds out? Do we really need any specific big thing to heal normal physical wound on a Primarch?
Enerael
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No, but we have been told that it would help overall I believe. Like, a powerful healing potion would weaken the Curse and Poison some, as the three are connected. And we have been planning on doing that for that rule of three ritual and to avoid interference of using two different powerful warpy things on the same target.
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I'd wager a big thing on something more difficult to heal would help more. And, from Durin's words higher, there'll only be problems if we get more than 3 things, nothing about interference with two things one one problem.
Enerael
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Originally it was just Lin with one help that was acceptable, and then someone (forgot who) posted a ritual with I think Herbs (and Alkahestry?) for Wound, Rune for Poison, and Lin for Curse and Durin OKed that.
So it's not just pick any 3 I really don't think.
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1. Black Crystal is extra but yes,
2. if you can combine them before applying it counts as 1, the healing herbs mayb be able to be combined with Alkahestry using Geneseed but Lulana can not be totally sure until Vlad gets back
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So we have:
Healing Herbs (possibly with Alkahestry)
Vulkan Artifice to help Lin
Purification Focus for Ridcully
If Vulkan is too busy then the Eldar could probably supply an artifact to help. I get the impression it would be an Isha artifact which would as a result work better for Ridcully though..
Healing Herbs (possibly with Alkahestry)
Vulkan Artifice to help Lin
Purification Focus for Ridcully
If Vulkan is too busy then the Eldar could probably supply an artifact to help. I get the impression it would be an Isha artifact which would as a result work better for Ridcully though..
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two things
1. Why is Ridcully doing a thing? Blessing of Isha maybe, but he's not the best healer? Surely a priestess of Isha would be better?
2. We should get something to buff the curse breaking although the BCJ are a good start towards that.
Enerael
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Lin counts as one thing.
If we can pick and choose, I say Alkahestry with Herbs if possible for Poison, Lin and Vulcan for Curse.
The wound is just a normal physical wound, why would we need Herbs with Alkahestry for it? That was always something against poison, with maybe general healing effect. Original idea by, (by @Enjou, I believe), IIRC didn't even mention particular things to heal Guilliman, just the idea of a three wise man ritual. Which can still be preserved with Purification Focus and what not.
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IIRC because keeping everyone involved human has ritual bonuses. 1 of each race also sort of has merit, although in this case it's Eldar+Human+???, and ??? is sort of missing atm.
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Enerael
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Because we send for Healing Herbs for some reason, instead of Antidote ones, and again it should help with the other parts.
But if we can just assign 3 things to whatever, sure, lets ignore the wound.
We should just ask Telepathica to design the ritual for us, at least a tentative one. Triple human bonus vs fellow Primarch bonus, etc.
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Ehh, the Eldar probs has a lot more experience in designing ritual, along with Avernite species in general.
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I'm pretty sure we were just casting as wide a net as possible when we said "healing" herbs.
Enerael
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Unwise in that's the case. There is a rather large difference between healing and an antidote, though a sufficiently powerful conceptual healing can act like one (inefficiently).
A rather human ritual though. Asking the Eldar to design it seems like adding interference to me, and our Telepathica are no slouches.
We can ask of course.
It occurs to me that the Curse is the hardest part probably, what with needing Lins dying action to get rid off. We might want to double down on that.
Would the True Rune of Purification help with it?
I am pretty sure that on Avernus there are other ways to heal a normal gash in the neck than most powerful herbs somewhere in the southern continent. When we sent Vlad for healing herbs, we obviously weren't looking to deal with the normal wound.
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Lets ask the Ancient One.
See if he can stab the curse out.
+ Healing herbs is general enough that he's probably grabbing everything he can with medicinal properties, antidotes included.