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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Durin said:
Bloom bee- Bees capable of massively boosting a plants growth rate, either for farming or for battlefield preparation. Goes well with the more dangerous Avernite Flora. 20,000 Credits for breeding population
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This seems like it could give us a big boost to our food production, which would be very useful. Possibly these could even be passed along to other worlds of the Trust to improve crop yields for them as well. That could further raise the population Midgard could support.

I think this could actually be the most useful of the options in the long run.
 
Bolehs spiders and Cold ones sound amazing, for anti-fauna duty for the spiders alongside the knights and the cold ones for the Helguard Rough Riders.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Whooooo...

I want them all.

@Durin
1. I take it both sides are keeping things in reserve like Magma Wyrms for the Skinks and the Adamantium metal for the Sarus?
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1. yes, this is what they are willing to trade at the moment
Andres110 said:
@Durin, will we lose Civilian and/or Military Morale if we buy a breeding population of Bolehs Spiders?
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no but they will give massive morale penalties to Avernite units deployed near them
 
@Durin
1. Is the morale penalty for working alongside the Bolehs spiders a temporary malus until our forces get used to them or will it always remain?
 
1,000 Cr *20= Basic Tau Weapons (50k Thrones, 5K material, 500 AM) per year
5,000 Cr *10= Advanced Tau Weapons (500k Thrones, 25K material, 10,000 AM, 1,000 EM) per year
25,000 Cr *5= Exotic Tau Weapons (3,000k Thrones, 125K material, 100,000 AM, 20,000 EM) per year

Credits: 20,000+50,000+125,000 = 195,000 Cr
Cost:
21 Mil Thrones
975k Material
610k Advanced Material
120k Exotic Material
5 Cr= Low Relic Weapons- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Veterans and have been enhanced by them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but boosts to cutting damage and toughness are the most common but more exotic effects are not unknown. Exotic effects can range from elemental enhancements or ranged attacks, deamon banishing or even spatial effects.
7 Cr= Low Relic Shields- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Veterans and have been enhanced by them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but boosts to toughness and resistance to warp effects are the most common but more exotic effects are not unknown.
60 Cr= Mid Relic Weapons- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Heroes and have been enhanced with them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but combinations of boosts to cutting damage and toughness are the most common but more exotic effects are not unknown.
100 Cr= Mid Relic Shields- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Heroes and have been enhanced by them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but combinations of boosts to toughness and resistance to warp effects are the most common but more exotic effects are not unknown.
1,200 Cr= High Relic Weapons- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Oldbloods and have been enhanced with them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but all have boosts to cutting damage and toughness, while many also have more exotic effects.
1,500 Cr=High Relic Shields- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Oldbloods and have been enhanced by them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but all have boosts to toughness and resistance to warp effects while many also have more exotic effects.
2,000 Cr (brought individually)= Low Artifact Weapons- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Elders and have been enhanced with them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but all have boosts to cutting damage and toughness, while most also have more exotic effects.
3,000 Cr (brought individually)= Low Artifact Shields- These weapons, made of an unknown material on par with Adamantium, were once wielded by Saurus Eldersand have been enhanced by them greatly. The exact enhancements vary but all have boosts to toughness and resistance to warp effects while most also have more exotic effects.
Multiply the prices below with each item that you are buy for the cost
*1- Heroes of Avernus-Provides a supply of this item to the heroes of Avernus.
*100- Primaris and Grandmaster Battle Psykers- Provides a supply of this item to Primaris and Grandmaster Battle Psykers.
*1,000- Master Battle Psykers- Provides a supply of this item to Master Battle Psykers.
*5,000- Elite Battle Psykers- Provides a supply of this item to Elite Battle Psykers.
*15,000- Veteran Battle Psykers- Provides a supply of this item to Veteran Battle Psykers.
*15- Last Hunters- Provides a supply of this item to the Last Hunters.
*25- Grandmaster Psyker and Witch Hunters- Provides a supply of this item to the Master Psyker and Witch Hunters.
*500- Master Psyker and Witch Hunters- Provides a supply of this item to the Master Psyker and Witch Hunters.
*200- Life Guard- Provides a supply of this item to the Life Guard.
*600- Helguard Regimental Champions- Provides a supply of this item to Helguard Regimental Champions.
*6,000- Helguard Battalion Champions- Provides a supply of this item to Helguard Battalion Champions.
*23,000- Helguard Company Champions- Provides a supply of this item to Helguard Company Champions.
1,000,000 Metal per year (*3900)

195,000 Credits
3.9 Billion Metal per year to Skinks
Flat back- Fast reptiles able to bend space when on the move making them hard targets, stable firing platform. 1,000 Credits for breeding population
Bloom bee- Bees capable of massively boosting a plants growth rate, either for farming or for battlefield preparation. Goes well with the more dangerous Avernite Flora. 20,000 Credits for breeding population
Bolehs spider- Highly friendly giant spiders ranging from the size of a knight tot he size of a warhound with the strength and toughness to match. Possess a devastating poison that can be injected or sprayed. 100 Credits per pack or 4,000 Credits for breeding population.
Sotek serpent- Magma Wyrm sized serpents with a range of daemonology powers, lightning speed and the second most deadly known poison. Makes up for its comparative fragility with its speed and powers. 2,000 Credits each (max 10)
Sluggish Sloth- A four ton creature that stores up its strength allowing for brief bursts of incredible speed and strength. 20 Credits each or 5,000 Credits for breeding population.
Dread Saurian- Battle Titan sized reptiles with enhancement biomancy allowing them to tear apart even Titans, and shrug off all but the most powerful of attacks. 5,000 Credits each (max 10)
Psyrodactyl- The bane of the Biologis and one of the most common predators of the Avernite skies. 15,000 Credits for breeding population.
Salamander- Lizards that act as crew served weapons in the Lizardman armies, able to slay foes at range with bursts of corrosive flame that can breach all but the strongest of armours. 2,000 Credits for breeding population.
Razordon- Lizards that act as crew served weapons in the Lizardman armies, able to slay foes at range with volleys of venomous, barbed spines that can spell doom for any lightly armored foe. 2,000 Credits for breeding population.
Stegadon- Incredibly tough reptiles the size of a Battle tank, often carries skink light artillery to war. 3,000 Credits for breeding population.
Carnosaur- Smaller version of the Dread Saurian, only the size of a carnifex. 100 Credits each (max 200)
Cold One- Horse sized riding beast. Reasonably fast and agile, tough for its size, even by Avernite standards, and utterly tireless. 1,000 Credits for breeding population

Flat Back - Breeding Population (1,000 Cr)
Bloom Bee - Breeding Population (20,000 Cr)
Bolehs Spider - Breeding Population (4,000 Cr)
Sotek Serpent - *10 (20,000 Cr)
Sluggish Sloth - Breeding Population (5,000 Cr)
Dread Saurian - *10 (50,000 Cr)
Psyrodactyl - Breeding Population (15,000 Cr)
Salamander - Breeding Population (2,000 Cr)
Razardon - Breeding Population (2,000 Cr)
Stegadon - Breeding Population (3,000 Cr)
Carnosaur - *100 (20,000 Cr)
Cold One - Breeding Population (1,000 Cr)

I'm just going to assume these are in aggregate game-changing useful.

(1+20+4+20+5+50+15+2+2+3+20+1)*1000=143k Credits

Sooo the limiting factor appears to be that the Skinks can sell 143k of stuff. So the Saurus are capped at 150k.
 
Shard said:
Sooo the limiting factor appears to be that the Skinks can sell 143k of stuff. So the Saurus are capped at 150k.
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That's not to bad honestly.

We can only by 195K credits of Saurus stuff anyway.

My currently prefered option of high relic shields and armour for the grandmaster hunters and last hunters would cost 108,000 credits ((15+25)=40*2700(1200+1500)=108,000 Credits)

Andres110 said:
Why? We already have adamantium.
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Best case scenario if this material can be mass produced we can equip every human on avernus and maybe beyond with it since as Shard says its cheaper and the Saurus don't have access to as much psycic nonsense as the Skinks (no active psykers to our knowledge at least.)

This is unlikely, its probably created via Avernus's infinite resource generation or some mystical process that only the Saurus can do given to them by the Old Ones, but even then its an adamantium level metal that after 60 + million years association with the Saurus and creating relics likely has advantages in that area, since that's more than long enough for a warp echo to form in that capacity, to say nothing of powerful souls helping it along.

In general I am trying to keep my hopes down, but I have good hopes for it.

Andres110 said:
@Durin, what do the skinks plan on doing with 3.9 billion metal? That's a very large amount of metal.
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Make a giant magnifying glass so they can roast the Saurus like ants.
 
Note that for the Saurus trade, the higher tech weapons cost increases much more than their value for some reason. I would recommend not selling the exotic weapons at least.

Skinks... it would have been good to have a warning before we sold most of our metal to the rest of the Trust. We could have also bought more food. This is really badly timed.

I am very leery of selling them stuff per year in perpetuity and if it was up to me I would not sell them anything at under these terms.


Artifact weapons.

Buy the best for our Heroes.

Don't buy much for our psykers, and focus on shields.

Last Hunters are snipers (people seem to believe) and thus have little use for any of this.

Give Psyker Hunters as much as we can afford.

Then give some things to Lifeguard, shield focus probably, and if there are cr leftover buy some stuff for Helguard Regimental Champions.


Skinks.

All the breeding population that we can afford, Bloom Bees being a priority.

Note that having a controllable breeding pop of a species will very likely help with researching them and their psyker power a great deal.

When breeding pops are not available, buy one or a few examples at most for study.

Ignore the spiders. Not remotely worth the morale penalty or the trouble of reducing it.
 
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Andres110 said:
That would make sense if they have a large enough mountain to place it on, otherwise the only way they could aim it where they need to aim it would make it fall under the same issue that orbital lance fire has, namely that it'd be too inaccurate to work properly.
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True, but they are in a jungle, I imagine passive aggressively setting the enemies's bit of it on fire works just as well for them.

+ In their case it likely turns into a super lazer beam of doooooooooom due to old one nonsense.

But, in all seriousness...no idea. mmm

Maybe its like the WHF lizardmen, where they're so distracted by constant fighting that a lot of cities have been destroyed so they're using our materials to rebuild them ASAP without weakening their Saurus front?

Enerael said:
I am very leery of selling them stuff per year in perpetuity and if it was up to me I would not sell them anything at under these terms.
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True, but they are also selling us stuff in perpetuity if I understand this correctly.

Enerael said:
Last Hunters are snipers (people seem to believe) and thus have little use for any of this.
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Actually they do, they get a plus 10-15 boost as I understand it.

After all weapons do include bows, and throwing weapons and other things in addition to melee weapons. Which also benefit :)

I'll check some things too hopefully.

Edit: Confirmation in Discord, the Skinks and the Saurus are also giving us their stuff in perpetuity barring the artifacts which are one offs and the Grandmaster Hunters and Last Hunters each get a +10-15 boost from high relic shields and weapons.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
True, but they are also selling us stuff in perpetuity if I understand this correctly.

Actually they do, they get a plus 10-15 boost as I understand it.

After all weapons do include bows, and throwing weapons and other things in addition to melee weapons. Which also benefit :)

I'll check some things too hopefully.
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They are selling us artifact weapons or animals. Not a constant supply of such. Even if part of the deal was replenishing losses (which, why), that hardly compares.

And without shields? Remember that we did not give them decent defense runes because apparently they don't need them? And what boost would, say, psyker hunters get from the same equipment?
 
Ulrad said:
@Durin
1. Is the morale penalty for working alongside the Bolehs spiders a temporary malus until our forces get used to them or will it always remain?
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1. remain, it might shrink a bit but they are spiders and you are Avernites
Fanhunter696 said:
@Durin if we manage to achieve peace between both sides, would that unlock new weapons and/or animals to buy, or discount in the ones we are offered?
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yes it would
 
Enerael said:
They are selling us artifact weapons or animals. Not a constant supply of such. Even if part of the deal was replenishing losses (which, why), that hardly compares.

And without shields? Remember that we did not give them decent defense runes because apparently they don't need them? And what boost would, say, psyker hunters get from the same equipment?
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No they are selling us a constant supply of each, and given how powerful both are I'd say it very much compares considering that what they're asking for is a tiny investment of metal compared to our (3.9 billion metal isn't much vs 3 trillion in the bank and our income) and weapons primitive by both our standards and the Tau.

No idea didn't ask, will now.

In exchange we get magic weapons that can boost our elite to even greater heights and wildlife that can trash our modern formations...as well creatures capable of eating titans.

Did I mention eating titans.

Legio Helheim is a GOOOO.

@Durin
1. Are the Titanicus interested in having giant dino back up for their titans?
2. What bonus will the last hunters expect to get without high level shields. Obviously they'll loose the reduction in casulties?
 
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