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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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DragonParadox said:
In that case we die or hope Avernus can bail us out, the difference in scale between that fleet and our military is so vast as to make any improvements we might make insignificant.

About the only way I could see us even having the slightest chance would be mass suicidal assassinations of the command structure with heroes. Our forces are a rounding error to the Black Imperium's task force
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It's not completely hopeless. Ok the trust has 14 battle fleets compared to the 80-120 chaos battle fleets. Yes any chaos lord in charge will have to have a paragon trait but also Have orders to kill the tryanids. We have the advantage of being secondary target and for the orks to be attacking them if we can pull it off.

Our biggest threat from the task force is if they can get enough time and force concentration to wipe us out. So the region being on fire is a good thing if the task force arrives.
 
Nurgle said:
It's not completely hopeless. Ok the trust has 14 battle fleets compared to the 80-120 chaos battle fleets. Yes any chaos lord in charge will have to have a paragon trait but also Have orders to kill the tryanids. We have the advantage of being secondary target and for the orks to be attacking them if we can pull it off.

Our biggest threat from the task force is if they can get enough time and force concentration to wipe us out. So the region being on fire is a good thing if the task force arrives.
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We have 14 fleets now, keep in mind we will have already taken losses fighting the Nids before the fleet is to arrive, fresh. If that fleet hits us we are dead in any sort of conventional engagement.
 
Nurgle said:
It's not completely hopeless. Ok the trust has 14 battle fleets compared to the 80-120 chaos battle fleets. Yes any chaos lord in charge will have to have a paragon trait but also Have orders to kill the tryanids. We have the advantage of being secondary target and for the orks to be attacking them if we can pull it off.

Our biggest threat from the task force is if they can get enough time and force concentration to wipe us out. So the region being on fire is a good thing if the task force arrives.
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Course, they might just not show up if we can get rid of the Tyranids fast enough. That seemed to be what Ridcully suggested.
 
Shard said:
Ilfeliare (The Sun) - Gained portion of [Storm] and [Earth] domains through final sacrifices.
Ruick (The Shaper) - Gained Bulwark's domains, [Fortress] and [Defense] via final sacrifice.
Zaghash (The Burning Death)- Prospered
Faust (The Friendly Hand) - Prospered
Zaeed (The Mercenary) - Prospered
Valanar (The Smith) - Prospered, Gained some measure of freedom?
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Zahak (The Warp-Eater) - Lost top-tier daemon princes equivalent + Power.
Ugruer (The Trader) - Lost followers + Power.
Yharim (The Warlord) - Lives at the cost of Yharon.
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so, with 4 unnamed gods who survived(number is from discord), the concordat has 13 surviving members. they where described has being dozens, so i'm pegging their numbers at their height at around 36ish. so around 60% casualties. not terrible. as for their long term projects, courting the tau is just about the only that remains viable. that said, I could see most of the remaining gods being interested in that, since not everyone who survived has a kingdom to focus on.
 
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DragonParadox said:
We have 14 fleets now, keep in mind we will have already taken losses fighting the Nids before the fleet is to arrive, fresh. If that fleet hits us we are dead in any sort of conventional engagement.
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Yes but we also have a kill ratio against the local chaos forces of 4 for 1. Attacking us will require at least 3 to 1 ( assuming the chaos forces have well trained leaders) which would be a significant force from the task force.
jjffjhjf said:
Course, they might just not show up if we can get rid of the Tyranids fast enough. That seemed to be what Ridcully suggested.
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i hope so but we just apparently had a disaster because we got attacked by Amir-Ka forces while trying to kill tryanids.
 
Nurgle said:
Yes but we also have a kill ratio against the local chaos forces of 4 for 1. Attacking us will require at least 3 to 1 ( assuming the chaos forces have well trained leaders) which would be a significant force from the task force.
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Right now they have a 9 to 1 advantage and with both of us set to fight Nids we can't hope for them to make up the difference. It'snot like they would not be looking at sufficient rewards to justify the expenditure of forces
 
DragonParadox said:
Right now they have a 9 to 1 advantage and with both of us set to fight Nids we can't hope for them to make up the difference. It'snot like they would not be looking at sufficient rewards to justify the expenditure of forces
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Bloodbusta has right now 60 battle Fleets and has a good chance to attack them. Yes it is going to be dangerous but remember the region is on fire with at least 25% of all chaos ships in the region destroyed fighting Bloodbusta so far. Also consider as the fighting continues more orks will show up to fight.
 
jjffjhjf said:
Course, they might just not show up if we can get rid of the Tyranids fast enough. That seemed to be what Ridcully suggested.
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but they might wander if there is a power capable of taking on a hive fleet in the area and start looking for answers , we need to make sure to direct the orks at them to so that they have a good answer
 
Nurgle said:
Bloodbusta has right now 60 battle Fleets and has a good chance to attack them. Yes it is going to be dangerous but remember the region is on fire with at least 25% of all chaos ships in the region destroyed fighting Bloodbusta so far. Also consider as the fighting continues more orks will show up to fight.
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Fair enough, if everything goes right and they get ground down by Nids and Orks we might have a chance to get some sort of Pyrrhic 'Victory'. Personally I see that as such low odds as to not be worth much thought compared to the much more likely chances of them never attacking us or attacking in overwhelming strength.
 
So I think we should go with the True Rune as a focus for Ridcully instead of using the antidote. It seems more effective than antidote and it doesn't add too many hands to the pot so to speak since it is Ridcully using his skills boosted by a focus instead of a whole new ingredient added. If we succeed it might also give Ridcully another chance at transcendent again. This seems like a very control heavy action so it should be able to get us another chance.
 
Nurgle said:
We have a high chance of being attacked if the region suddenly get flooded with chaos forces. Our technology alone would be worth it. Something to remember is that the Eldar Have no forces to spare right now and for the next few decades. We need to plan for the worst case scenario.
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Actually the one good thing about Abbadon taking the Nid threat seriously and even attacking them outside his realm is if the Eldar can learn which Hive Fleets he is attacking they can pull their forces from those to just let the Dark Imperium deal with it and as a positive it would take them more forces and thus cause more losses than the Eldar.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
This is ten armies? Ten million troops?
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An army group are 20 armies. One army is ~100 million troops. So we have ~2 billion PDF after the expansion.
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Imperial Guard
Squad 10 Men – Sargent
Platoon 50 Men, 5 squads– Lieutenant
Company 250 Men – Captain
Battalion 1,000 Men, 4 Companies – Major
Regiment 10,000 Men, 10 Battalions – Colonel
Brigade 100,000 Men, 10 Regiments – Brigadier
Division 1,000,000 Men, 10 Brigades – Major-General
Corps 10,000,000 Men , 10 Divisions – Lieutenant-General
Field Army 100,000,000 Men, 10 Corps – Marshal
Army Group 2,000,000,000 Men, 20 armies – General
Multiple Army Groups- Lord General
Hundreds of Army Groups- Lord General Militant
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Feeling bad for the Concordat. I'm actually pretty surprised that Nurgle was able to take out so many of them after he took such a beating. Shouldn't he have been at his weakest point in like a millennium? And he managed to take out several that were in hiding or should have been able to flee.

@Durin
1. Did Nurgle at least lose a lot of resources in hunting down this many minor gods?
 
inverted_helix said:
Feeling bad for the Concordat. I'm actually pretty surprised that Nurgle was able to take out so many of them after he took such a beating. Shouldn't he have been at his weakest point in like a millennium? And he managed to take out several that were in hiding or should have been able to flee.
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Weak for a chaos god is very different metric for weak by our standards.

Going by the average DC Durin gave us (59) Shard calculated we got 0.3 more gods than we should have.
 
inverted_helix said:
Feeling bad for the Concordat. I'm actually pretty surprised that Nurgle was able to take out so many of them after he took such a beating. Shouldn't he have been at his weakest point in like a millennium? And he managed to take out several that were in hiding or should have been able to flee.

@Durin
1. Did Nurgle at least lose a lot of resources in hunting down this many minor gods?
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Even weakened a greater god like Nurgle would still be leagues above even the strongest minor gods. Remember most of these minor gods were only on the level of some of the Greater Daemons and not the exalted ones.
 
You know, in all the excitement, it seems that one hilarious thing was not talked about.
Durin said:
He was able to determine that Arha and his surviving Incubi are within the Webway, and that they are being hidden by allies within the Empire of Ashes.
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Jesus, Eldars, what the hell? How does Arhra even has allies within the Empire of Ashes? Shouldn't you guys be a force for good now after double collapse? I would very like to hear details of that.
 
Ok a few things beyond what has been discussed.
First I think that the Slann or old ones may be responsible for creating chaos. It makes sense since the last weapon they made is describe as final weapon or mistake. You know they Touched Nex or the primordial sea and had to deal with demons. Who were apparently strong enough to kill the Sauron protectors,skinks and the Slaan. We should divine for any that are alive in the galaxy.

Second How dare Jane say that Tormod is only moderately gifted at combat and stealth. That he will never be great at either. But getting serious we should do a counter intelligence next turn. Chaos levels are still high and chaos cultist numbers are up (slightly) even with Saint Lin's aura suppose to be making that harder for chaos forces in general. I think some ground work may be laying down for a invasion.

Orks just conquered 99 worlds from a Tzeentch empire. Anyone think that a mega ritual will not take place?
 
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Nurgle said:
Ok a few things beyond what has been discussed.
First I think that the Slann or old ones may be responsible for creating chaos. It makes sense since the last weapon they made is describe as final weapon or mistake. You know they Touched Nex or the primordial sea and had to deal with demons. Who were apparently strong enough to kill the Sauron protectors,skinks and the Slaan. We should divine for any that are alive in the galaxy.

Second How dare Jane say that Tormod is only moderately gifted at combat and stealth. That he will never be great at either. But getting serious we should do a counter intelligence next turn. Chaos levels are still high and chaos cultist numbers are up (slightly) even with Saint Lin's aura suppose to be making that harder for chaos. I think some ground work may be laying down for a invasion.

Orks just conquered 99 worlds from a Tzeentch empire. Anyone else think that a mega ritual will not take place?
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Jane just said it was unlikely. That just means he needs to go in and deal with unlikely things all the time.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok a few things beyond what has been discussed.
First I think that the Slann or old ones may be responsible for creating chaos. It makes sense since the last weapon they made is describe as final weapon or mistake. You know they Touched Nex or the primordial sea and had to deal with demons. Who were apparently strong enough to kill the Sauron protectors,skinks and the Slaan. We should divine for any that are alive in the galaxy.

Second How dare Jane say that Tormod is only moderately gifted at combat and stealth. That he will never be great at either. But getting serious we should do a counter intelligence next turn. Chaos levels are still high and chaos cultist numbers are up (slightly) even with Saint Lin's aura suppose to be making that harder for chaos forces in general. I think some ground work may be laying down for a invasion.

Orks just conquered 99 worlds from a Tzeentch empire. Anyone think that a mega ritual will not take place?
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Well it is heavily implied that that the Chaos Gods came into being during the War in Heaven. The most likely thing that I think happened is that the old ones either made the chaos gods or gained control of them since all but two of them are primal gods. Then seeing how even with these new gods they were still losing they looked into someway to get more power. They discovered that the primordial sea was a thing and decided that as the Masters of the warp they could bind that power to their use. They tried and failed instead it infected the chaos gods and turned them from powerful primal gods into the giant warp cancers that they are now. After all what we found out is that the sea is what drove the gods mad and is responsible for how they are. That makes it even worse the War in Heaven not only wiped out all life and matter around the entire galactic neighborhood but it turned the greatest hope for victory into the worst stain on existence.

random_npc said:
I rather hope its orbital drops. because siren drop pod assaults would just be neat.
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Drop pods take time. They reach the ground fast but the sirens need to either be in space already waiting for deployment or they need to be taken up to orbit every time.
 
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agumentic said:
You know, in all the excitement, it seems that one hilarious thing was not talked about.

Jesus, Eldars, what the hell? How does Arhra even has allies within the Empire of Ashes? Shouldn't you guys be a force for good now after double collapse? I would very like to hear details of that.
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That's kind of racist what with blaming the entire Eldar race just because of a douchebags. I mean it would kind of be annoying if other aliens tried that with us considering how douchebaggery humans can be.
 
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