The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
I don't really see any benefit to putting Jacob in a knight then. He would be so much weaker that I'm not sure what possible advantage could be gained.

2 reasons. 1. we can kit out a knight with weapons to clear out more chaff than the system would let him kill on foot, so he'll be harder to bog down. 2. any damage he does while in his knight is an advantage for when it gets wrecked and he starts the second phase of the boss battle.
 
2 reasons. 1. we can kit out a knight with weapons to clear out more chaff than the system would let him kill on foot, so he'll be harder to bog down. 2. any damage he does while in his knight is an advantage for when it gets wrecked and he starts the second phase of the boss battle.
+ It's extremely funny that they'll invest all that effort into bringing down this crazy knight ace, only for this crazy dude in termie armour to pop out and start murder blending even harder.
 
I don't really see any benefit to putting Jacob in a knight then. He would be so much weaker that I'm not sure what possible advantage could be gained.
2 reasons. 1. we can kit out a knight with weapons to clear out more chaff than the system would let him kill on foot, so he'll be harder to bog down. 2. any damage he does while in his knight is an advantage for when it gets wrecked and he starts the second phase of the boss battle.

He can also grav-grab Knight-chunks and lob them at the enemy.
 
I don't really see any benefit to putting Jacob in a knight then. He would be so much weaker that I'm not sure what possible advantage could be gained.

This is talking about a regular Knight I think remember the new Psy-Knight Pattern is meant to channel his power through the whole Knight. Jacob has the power level of a Delta level Psyker as well.
 
As i understand it the numbers stand at:

Primordial sea has a 1% chance to cause a potential Bad End and a 25% chance to cause meaningful damage.
It also has a (including diplomacy and omake) 75% chance to give us info on the Final Boss and a… 3.76% chance of Lin transcending.

Contrast the 'heal Guilliman' option which has a 1.1% chance of Lin transcending, an unknown but very low chance of him actually succeeding and no possibility of negative consequences.

In the middle ground we have the Well option. No definitive odds for that but basically just slightly worse than the Sea but with no Bad End chance.

A final option is to give up and have Lin make an artefact, which has an at best 0.05% chance of saving him.


Given how RNGesus has been recently I'm leaning towards Guilliman. The possibility of getting nothing is justified by the possibility of getting two transcendent characters out of it.
Healing Guilliman is also the only option that Ridcully could possibly provide rerolls for.
 
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2 reasons. 1. we can kit out a knight with weapons to clear out more chaff than the system would let him kill on foot, so he'll be harder to bog down. 2. any damage he does while in his knight is an advantage for when it gets wrecked and he starts the second phase of the boss battle.
1 doesn't make sense since we can just pair him up with someone or something that can accomplish the same thing. 2 seems like it has a higher chance of outright killing him since he would be stuck in a knight when it goes off. Seriously, we have plenty of potential knight heroes, let's have our heroes stick to what they are good at instead of wasting their potential.
 
I'm more curious about what would happen if we put somebody like Xavier or Ophelia in a Psy-Knight.

Xavier was vetoed but Ophelia I haven't enquired about.

Maybe future Alphas and Betas ?



or maybe spent some time with her.

Betas and above are wasted on Knights. They are already far more powerful that it would be more of a hindrance than a help.
 
They won't be as good . Durin answered this but they have spent too long training for one combat style and it would a massive change for them.
I thought psy-knights were only good for Deltas and Gammas because you need to be Delta level to use it, while Betas and above are so powerful the knight doesn't give them any benefit.

Mind that's still really good for us as we have a lot of Deltas and Gammas.
 
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1 doesn't make sense since we can just pair him up with someone or something that can accomplish the same thing. 2 seems like it has a higher chance of outright killing him since he would be stuck in a knight when it goes off. Seriously, we have plenty of potential knight heroes, let's have our heroes stick to what they are good at instead of wasting their potential.

think of it more as a penetration aid. something to let him walk though infantry blobs without having to worry about keeping someone else alive. as for 2, we can build a knight around not hurting the pilot when it goes down.
 
Hydra Dominus
Hydra Dominus
+++Thought For the Day: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!+++

From: Sector Lord Ragnald Slaughtermane
To: Region Lord Dispatcher the Intolerant
Emergency Dispatch Code: Vermilion

My lord, I regret to inform you that your requested emergency tithe will prove impossible to fulfill at this time. Over two dozen planets have risen in revolt, open rioting has spread across a dozen more and there is widespread inter sect killings across the sector, more than usual even! My flagship Enduring Spite, has been destroyed via a reactor breach, and I was only not taken with it due to a fortuitous mechanical failure of my shuttle. I swear to you, that I shall crush the rebels and run down the miscreants behind this, but I need time. In the meantime, I have dispatched one of my most capable and loyal servants with what forces I can spare to your aid.

From: Temporary Planetary Governor Arnald Secutor
To: Sector Lord Eldraf Duke of Desire
Emergency Dispatch Code: Blue

My lord, I regret to inform you that your orders to burn all crops and evacuate all assets in the face of the Tyranid Advance will be impossible to fulfill. Public order has broken down, and at least half of the PDF is in a state of active mutiny. The Storm-troopers you sent to serve as enforcers were sent out to regain control of the situation, whereupon they were engaged and destroyed by an unknown Space Marine force. General Argent has been assassinate in the aftermath, and the chain of command has snapped. I no longer have effective control of those still loyal to the Black Imperium, and I do not anticipate being able to muster an effective defense against the approaching Tyranid Fleet.

From Admiral Gorehound, acting Sector Lord
To: Region Lord Arath Eldarbane
CC: Warmaster Abbadon, Imperium High Command
Emergency Dispatch Code: Black

Our offensive into Quartus was a disaster. A full Wolf Legion was pre-positioned to engage our forces, and was equipped with a variety of new equipment. That was survivable, if trying. Alpha legion's treachery however, was disastrous. Sector Lord Alden was killed by his aid, and my own flag captain tried to cut me down, the cry "for the emperor" upon his lips even as my flagship's weapons fired into its escorts. Though I removed his treacherous tongue and cut him down, the damage was done. Our formation was in tatters, and moral was shot. I only managed to escape with a tenth of our forces and without reinforcement the sector shall surely fall. Alpha Legion must pay for this treachery!

From: Telemachon Lyras, Sector Lord and Steward and Steward of Cypra Mundi
To: Warmaster Abbadon, Imperium High Command
CC: All Sector Lords
Emergency Dispatch Priority: Omega Black

CODE BLACK, CODE BLACK. ALPHA LEGION SABOTEUR SPOTTED IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN CYPRA MUNDI. ESTIMATED TARGET IS THE SEGMENTUM SHIPYARD. INFIGHTING AMONG ALPHA LEGION REPORTED, DAMAGE TO SHIPYARDS EXTENSIVE AND TOTAL LOSS CANNOT BE RULED OUT. ALL SHIPS ARE TO DIVERT TO SECONDARY SHIPYARDS FOR REPAIR, AND ALL FORCES ARE TO MOVE TO MAXIMUM ALERT. PRIMARCH ALPHARIUS BELIEVED TO BE ON SITE, ALLEGIANCE UNKNOWN.


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A/N: So you know how Alpha Legion has a group of nuts who want to burn the entire galaxy down to kill Chaos? Here's an excellent chance for them to do some damage by sabotaging Abbadon's response to the invasion. Still, it looks like not everything is going as planned. Is Alpharious actually at Cypra Mundi, and if so, which side is he on?

@Durin
 
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think of it more as a penetration aid. something to let him walk though infantry blobs without having to worry about keeping someone else alive. as for 2, we can build a knight around not hurting the pilot when it goes down.
Thing is that a -20 to combat is such a handy cap that it seesm a lot more practical to just have people who trained their whole lives to actually pilot the things then have someone who is one of the galaxies best warriors pilot something that actually weakens him. Besides seems like we can accomplish the same exact thing of drawing fire by just having a knight stand next to him to draw said fire.
 
Thing is that a -20 to combat is such a handy cap that it seesm a lot more practical to just have people who trained their whole lives to actually pilot the things then have someone who is one of the galaxies best warriors pilot something that actually weakens him. Besides seems like we can accomplish the same exact thing of drawing fire by just having a knight stand next to him to draw said fire.

I think you are somewhat underestimating the potency of a knight titan. back when jane was a low paragon she was able to fight a rookie pilot. jacob would still have a combat of 39 in a knight. it wouldn't be a massive dip in lethality.
 
A/N: So you know how Alpha Legion has a group of nuts who want to burn the entire galaxy down to kill Chaos? Here's an excellent chance for them to do some damage by sabotaging Abbadon's response to the invasion. Still, it looks like not everything is going as planned. Is Alpharious actually at Cypra Mundi, and if so, which side is he on?
ALL OF THEM!
 
@MonkeyTypewriter Unless I am missing something their are no Wolf Legions in Quartus. One of the issues with Russ's Geneseed is the Canis Helix, which is restricted to the people of Fenris. Which is currently on the other side of the galaxy from Quartus and hiding in the Primal Warp. At best their might be a few dozen Space Wolves with Russ.
 
I thought psy-knights were only good for Deltas and Gammas because you need to be Delta level to use it, while Betas and above are so powerful the knight doesn't give them any benefit.

Mind that's still really good for us as we have a lot of Deltas and Gammas.
It's better to start off new psykers training them to fight in titans than changing characters. We should look into starting a Knight psyker order.
 
@MonkeyTypewriter Unless I am missing something their are no Wolf Legions in Quartus. One of the issues with Russ's Geneseed is the Canis Helix, which is restricted to the people of Fenris. Which is currently on the other side of the galaxy from Quartus and hiding in the Primal Warp. At best their might be a few dozen Space Wolves with Russ.
You are missing something.
Then comes Russ, who commands the Wolf Legions, the heavy forces of the Quartus Imperium. The Wolf Legions are a handful of powerful forces that are prepared for war on a grand scale. It is them who are expected to meet Black Crusades, Ork Conflagrations and other overwhelming forces head on and achieve victory.
 
@Durin, some random quick questions.
1. Is the Velvet Glove, Klovis-Ultan's flagship, still around?
2. What's the adjectival form of Tjapa (ie Khornate, Slaaneshi, etc)?
3. Have you rolled for Tormod's stat sheet yet?
 
@Durin since Primarchs to Astartes link won't work what about.
1. The link between the Primarchs themselves?
2. The shared archtype of the Hero?
3. The bond of Brothers that they should share?
4. Connection to the Emperor and through that to Lin?
1. not really, the ties between siblings are not close enough
2. not at all, many of their sub-branches actively clash (see primrch relationships)
3. see above
4. that is the plan
@Durin IIRC we can double the amount of Eldar forces deployed against the Tyranids with a minor favor, Is there a limit in the number of minor favors we can use to increase the number of Eldar forces on that scenario?
yes, that is already greed on and now the limit. Youmight get more by the time the nids reach you though
@Durin would it be possible to look up ways to increase Lin's chance of healing Guilliman through some avernues of research?
if you can come up with one
@Durin, can we double or triple down on healing Guilliman?
2. What about the Sky Dragon egg thing? Can we double down on that as well or does the intrigue-only limit block DD's?

IIRC, Durin said that the Arhra thing happening so early surprised him as well. The dice's honeymoon with drama must be going well...
1. I am assuming you will be
2. you can
Before we turn Jacob into a Anime protagonist we should do something first
@Durin is Jacob ok with our plans to turn him into a two stage boss?
he i willking to learn but doubtful that effort put into it will be worthwhile
I think you are somewhat underestimating the potency of a knight titan. back when jane was a low paragon she was able to fight a rookie pilot. jacob would still have a combat of 39 in a knight. it wouldn't be a massive dip in lethality.
a massive part of that was not having the AP to do more then scratch damage, that is an issue Jacob lacks
@MonkeyTypewriter Unless I am missing something their are no Wolf Legions in Quartus. One of the issues with Russ's Geneseed is the Canis Helix, which is restricted to the people of Fenris. Which is currently on the other side of the galaxy from Quartus and hiding in the Primal Warp. At best their might be a few dozen Space Wolves with Russ.
corax found a way around it (he cloned the Canis Helix and breed up a population with it)
 
@Durin, some random quick questions.
1. Is the Velvet Glove, Klovis-Ultan's flagship, still around?
2. What's the adjectival form of Tjapa (ie Khornate, Slaaneshi, etc)?
3. Have you rolled for Tormod's stat sheet yet?
Stats for new character will always be rolled at 18-20 years. So at the end of this turn. Next turn we should investigate him to get his character sheet.
 
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