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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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The main reason I want Max to work on fixing the thunder warriors flaws is that I think that will help him advance. Because he will be working on a project that the Emperor never finished and we have meta knowledge that the thunder warriors can be fixed. I am hoping it pushes him into paragon when he finishes. Mostly because if he can fix the thunder warriors he can fix the Last Hunters and maybe one day work on Geneseed.

Looking at the Map More'lumix is the closest Bloodbusta realm. Which means the Tzeentch domain with a bunch of wizards will most likely be the target. Amirka is also a possibility but all that means is a large ork realm would destroy the chaos realm right before the Tryanids arrive. I thought Assour but it is farther away. Turoq old realm would not put up much of a fight and is farther away than the other realms.

As for warning chaos all the minor realms combine have 300,000 escorts , 10,000 capital ships and 20,000 chaos space marines. Which added to 2 of the other major chaos realms would be a powerful enough force to blunt the Tryanid fleet... hopefully I hat using that word.

Now the thing we have to worry about from the orks is that the longer a Waagh goes on it starts to call more orks. Which we do not since they have 250,000 roks, 500,000 escorts, 100-200 hulks and 5,000 capital ships. Which is enough to burn the whole region to the ground when combined with Bloodbusta realm.

@Durin if we use the honorbound favor to burn kill everything in a thousand lightyears would that slow down the hive fleet or cause it to go somewhere else?
 
So, let me see if I understand a mechanic correctly. Tranth's Study actions are roughly equivalent to the Biologis Study actions, in that we're taking something and doing an in-depth survey of it and it's capabilities, resulting in potential uses being discovered, unlocking more advanced options and/or reducing related DCs, and a reduction in upkeep (reduction in various flaws for the former, better able to deal with them for the latter) for the relevant thing.

Tranth studying las weapons would reduce the upkeep for those, while Maximal's study of Poison Lichen reduced a bunch of upkeeps, for example.

So, if we did a bunch of military tech studies, would that be likely to cut down on our enormous military upkeep appreciably?

I ask because I don't recall Impaler upkeep being reduced by all that much.
 
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Using Metaknowledge is really distasteful. Plus, Vinceo is more likely to advance to Archmagos Veneratus by research Avernite creatures than by researching Thunder Warriors.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, let me see if I understand a mechanic correctly. Tranth's Study actions are roughly equivalent to the Biologis Study actions, in that we're taking something and doing an in-depth survey of it and it's capabilities, resulting in potential uses being discovered, unlocking more advanced options and/or reducing related DCs, and a reduction in upkeep (reduction in various flaws for the former, better able to deal with them for the latter) for the relevant thing.

Tranth studying las weapons would reduce the upkeep for those, while Maximal's study of Poison Lichen reduced a bunch of upkeeps, for example.

So, if we did a bunch of military tech studies, would that be likely to cut down on our enormous military upkeep?
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Maybe. Studying laser may give us new research technology paths or allow cost decrease. We do not know till we take the action. We do not know if it will or not. Similiar to the way that Maximal study something may give us something or new telepathica research.
 
Shard said:
Using Metaknowledge is really distasteful. Plus, Vinceo is more likely to advance to Archmagos Veneratus by research Avernite creatures than by researching Thunder Warriors.
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You do not know that. You suspect that and as far as I know Durin has not said that.

@Durin would Maximal raise his learning stat faster doing the Thunder warrior research or studying wildlife?
 
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ilbgar123 said:
So, let me see if I understand a mechanic correctly. Tranth's Study actions are roughly equivalent to the Biologis Study actions, in that we're taking something and doing an in-depth survey of it and it's capabilities, resulting in potential uses being discovered, unlocking more advanced options and/or reducing related DCs, and a reduction in upkeep (reduction in various flaws for the former, better able to deal with them for the latter) for the relevant thing.

Tranth studying las weapons would reduce the upkeep for those, while Maximal's study of Poison Lichen reduced a bunch of upkeeps, for example.

So, if we did a bunch of military tech studies, would that be likely to cut down on our enormous military upkeep appreciably?

I ask because I don't recall Impaler upkeep being reduced by all that much.
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no. traniths study actions is a special thing he gets from his paragon learning. flaws of thunder is specifically looking into the flaws of the thunder warriors. It will do nothing on its own but it will unlock even longer actions to try and fix them.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, let me see if I understand a mechanic correctly. Tranth's Study actions are roughly equivalent to the Biologis Study actions, in that we're taking something and doing an in-depth survey of it and it's capabilities, resulting in potential uses being discovered, unlocking more advanced options and/or reducing related DCs, and a reduction in upkeep (reduction in various flaws for the former, better able to deal with them for the latter) for the relevant thing.

Tranth studying las weapons would reduce the upkeep for those, while Maximal's study of Poison Lichen reduced a bunch of upkeeps, for example.

So, if we did a bunch of military tech studies, would that be likely to cut down on our enormous military upkeep appreciably?

I ask because I don't recall Impaler upkeep being reduced by all that much.
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Tranth's studying will yield advancements in the object of study if successful - But that advancement is essentially unknown. We can make educated guesses, like Hives will probably reduce cost and/or upkeep (What else could it do?) while Weapons will usually offer an advancement to that weapon, perhaps a new way or a flat boost. Similarly for Biologis we are making educated guesses, but the near universal benefit is reduced casualties to that type of wildlife. Also if that wildlife has a bullshit power we can research that bullshit power.
 
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Shard said:
May I ask why you are voting the way you do? As a planmaker, seeing a single line vote with no explanation is incredibly demoralizing and doesn't explain why my plan vote is losing.
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I mostly do that because any argument I could bring to the table has already been stated by someone else and thus would only be boring and pointless to read about. To put it in the bluntest terms possible, I do not believe this particular threat will be great enough that we should only focus on the short term. Further, I am more interested in discount space marines than I am in more wildlife studies.
 
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Aramis said:
I mostly do that because any argument I could bring to the table has already been stated by someone else and thus would only be boring and pointless to read about. To put it in the bluntest terms possible, I do not believe this particular threat will be great enough that we should only focus on the short term. Further, I am more interested in discount space marines than I am in more wildlife studies.
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You... realize that the Tyranids would, without intervention, eat up Amir-Ka in 10 years, a polity more than 10 times our size, and then try and eat us, right?
 
Why don't we ask Callamus if they are doing Thunder Warriors incidentally? That could save A LOT of time.
 
agumentic said:
Hm? The article doesn't say "Plasma bolt shells" anywhere. It says "heliothermic", but it reads much more like a small thermonuclear explosion to me.
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Well, yes. Heliothermic - as hot as the sun. "sun-hot incendiary detonations". These are very similar terms used to describe plasma weapons, which are said to shoot miniature suns, or munitions as hot as the sun. It's either that or fusion weaponry, aka a form of melta.
 
xXxBlueViperxXx said:
If you put in a counter intelligence for year 5 I think you will have me.
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I don't think we really should go full throttle on Greater Psyker Hunting (Alpha Psykers deal a lot of damave) - And with the crit from last turn it's quite likely that the Alpha Legion have to spend quite a bit more effort on stealing our secrets again; Certainly not in in a single turn.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by xXxBlueViperxXx on Mar 27, 2019 at 1:25 AM, finished with 704 posts and 54 votes.
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random_npc said:
poor Chlof. they had a pretty good plan, it's just this was a bad time to try and get into the planning game.
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It really was a good plan. She posted it as I was writing my own plan, and if I saw it mid-way I would've voted for it. Should've been more patient on my end. I'd still vote for it now if the other two votes didn't have such big leads.
 
[X] Plan Shard T127

Fixed the issues I had with it, and I remain in favor of holding off on the improvement research side for Thunder Warriors until after the current round of people trying to kill us.
 
@Shard, do you think you could squeeze in asking Lamia to make contact with the Avernite peoples for us? It's important to get it done this turn, since we might be doing Primordial Sea next turn. Maybe delay one of the current Personal Attentions by a year?
 
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