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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Enjou said:
IIRC Durin has said that using the Psychic Canon inside the atmosphere isn't all that easy.
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IIRC he said using the Psychic Cannon would need adjustments, but they wouldn't be big adjustments. I think a laser to burn the atmosphere ahead of it was posited by one of the players.

And the rest of what I said about Ordinatus stands. It's still a great thing to implement versus the tyranids even without the Psychic Cannon.
 
A Nova Cannon would explode inside the atomsphere at a stupidly short range no matter what you do if you even have a tangential connection to physics.
 
Enjou said:
Giving my opinion on some stuff while I'm putting together a plan...

1. I don't think Thunder Warriors will be able to have a big impact on the coming war with the Tyranids. At most we'll be able to raise the one regiment, which won't be enough to matter. The Djinn Skein will have a bigger impact, so I'd prefer to do that.
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Actually the action is for figuring out a way to train TWs. As people have pointed once we figure out how to train them then we can start producing them on a far larger scale. Note that since we can make them from psykers as well we can get train some in biomancy to help alleviate the reflex issue and improve their strengths. The sooner we start the better.

That said we have confirmation that we have 30 years until they get here so we can actually do both TW and Djinn Skein so I suggest TW fist since that would give us more time to implement more TW. Also important to note that we may also be able to extend the time before the Nids get here by warning Amrika about the coming nids to prevent them from wasting their military and using fanning the flames on the Orks to prevent them from fighting the other polities until the nids get here.
 
Enjou said:
1. I don't think Thunder Warriors will be able to have a big impact on the coming war with the Tyranids. At most we'll be able to raise the one regiment, which won't be enough to matter. The Djinn Skein will have a bigger impact, so I'd prefer to do that.

2. So, one thing I'm not seeing in plans right now that would be a good boost that would be not only somewhat quick to implement but is now also much more affordable - getting our PDF into power armor. Do we want to consider taking one of those actions now? It could be made to fit into a Personal Attention action.
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1: This is wrong though. It'll take 19 years for the initial recruitment. The Nids will show up in 30 years at the earliest.
2, I would prioritize Transonic Blades over Power armor personally.
 
Im fine with it either way, but do note that the nids are said to take less than a decade to get through amirka. That means there is a risk of them arriving within 30 years. We should start the djinn skein now. Do twarriors later.
 
Munitorum
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Djinn Skein Gladiatoria: Military

I'm gonna stick with this, cause I think implementing more tech will pay out more in the end than thunder warriors.

Void
Slot 1 (3 Years)
Year 3 - Shield Capacitors

Slot 2 (2 Years)
Year 4 - Construct: Skeid Military Transport

Slot 3 (1 Year)
Year 5 - Ship Design Investigation (Point defence dedicated escort)

Checking out picket ships is only a year, and if it turns out they're more useful than Monks it'll be well worth it.

Administratum
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Knight Landholds

Slot 2 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Technological Improvements: (Food)

Slot 3 (3 Years)
Year 3 - Technological Improvements: (Food)

Diplomacy
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Trade Talks (Vanaheim(Black Ship Construction))
Year 2 - Lobby (Liaise with Dragon's Nest to send Envoys to local and regional Imperial Remnants and Xeno Species with warnings, offers of refugee and offers of a limited tech trade in return for military aid)
Year 3 - Ask Vlad (Assist in counterintel against Alpha Legion)
Year 4 - Ask Vlad (Crash Course in Bug Swatting (Share experience on how to fight Tyranids to incorporate into military education))
Year 5 - Request Information (Ask Lamia to forge contacts between us and other Avernite peoples) - Double Down

Arbites
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - 5 - Greater Psyker Hunting

Slot 2 (5 Years)
Year 1 - 2 - Greater Psyker Hunting
Year 3 - Counterintelligence
Year 4 - 5 Greater Psyker Hunting

Mechanicus
Slot 1 (5 Years, Free)
Year 1 - Investigate Battle Automata
Year 4 - Technological Improvements: (Advanced Material)

Slot 2 (4 Years, Explorator)
Year 2 - Technology Fundamentals: Melta

Slot 3 (3 Years, Biologis)
Year 3 - Regional Survey: Lindon Deepwood
Year 4 - Complete Examination: Invisible Dragon

Changing Vortex up to battle automata. I suspect automata implementation will take a while, so may as well get started now.

Ministorum
Slot 1 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Expand Witch Hunters

Slot 2 (3 Years)
Year 3 - On Created Gods - Double Down
Year 5 - Cleanse World (Medium)

I dislike waiting this long to do primordial sea, but we need to prepare.

Telepathica
Slot ??? (Divination)
Year N/A - Greater Divination: Hive Fleet Grábakr

Slot 1 (5 Years, Ridcully)
Year 1 - Spreading The Word - Double Down
Year 3 - Greater Divination: Infiltrators and cults in the Dragon's Nest, send results to Inquisition.
Year 4 - Greater Divination: Waaagh Bloodbusta
Year 5 - Divination: Attacks

Slot 2 (2 Years, Tamia)
Year 4 - Ward Vault - Double Down

Slot 3 (1 Year, Aria)
Year 5 - Mentor: Alpha

Personal
Slot 1 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Personal Attention (Implement Technology: Harvester Heavy Tank)
Year 4 - Personal Attention (Implement Technology: Ordinatus)

Slot 2 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Lobby (Liaise with Dragon's Nest to send Envoys to local and regional Imperial Remnants and Xeno Species with warnings, offers of refugee and offers of a limited tech trade in return for military aid)
Year 3 - Make a Request: First Councillor Aryz (Request representatives for envoys)
Year 4 - Personal Attention (Expand Psyker Hunters)

Slot 3 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Spend Time With: Syr, Sigmund and Grandson
Year 2 - Spend Time With: Grandson
Year 3 - Attend Emergency High Council Meeting
Year 4 - Spend Time With: Grandson
Year 5 - Spend Time With: Grandson

random_npc said:
Would it be worth it to get the titan line up?
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We probably won't get an appreciable output before everything hits, unfortunately.
 
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Chlof said:
Munitorum
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Djinn Skein Gladiatoria: Military

I'm gonna stick with this, cause I think implementing more tech will pay out more in the end than thunder warriors.

Void
Slot 1 (3 Years)
Year 3 - Shield Capacitors

Slot 2 (2 Years)
Year 4 - Construct: Skeid Military Transport

Slot 3 (1 Year)
Year 5 - Ship Design Investigation (Point defence dedicated escort)

Checking out picket ships is only a year, and if it turns out they're more useful than Monks it'll be well worth it.

Administratum
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Knight Landholds

Slot 2 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Technological Improvements: (Food)

Slot 3 (3 Years)
Year 3 - Technological Improvements: (Food)

Diplomacy
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Trade Talks (Vanaheim(Black Ship Construction))
Year 2 - Lobby (Liaise with Dragon's Nest to send Envoys to local and regional Imperial Remnants and Xeno Species with warnings and offers of refugee)
Year 3 - Ask Vlad (Assist in counterintel against Alpha Legion)
Year 4 - Ask Vlad (Crash Course in Bug Swatting (Share experience on how to fight Tyranids to incorporate into military education))
Year 5 - Request Information (Ask Lamia to forge contacts between us and other Avernite peoples) - Double Down

Arbites
Slot 1 (5 Years)
Year 1 - 5 - Greater Psyker Hunting

Slot 2 (5 Years)
Year 1 - 2 - Greater Psyker Hunting
Year 3 - Counterintelligence
Year 4 - 5 Greater Psyker Hunting

Mechanicus
Slot 1 (5 Years, Free)
Year 1 - Investigate Battle Automata
Year 4 - Technological Improvements: (Advanced Material)

Slot 2 (4 Years, Explorator)
Year 2 - Technology Fundamentals: Melta

Slot 3 (3 Years, Biologis)
Year 3 - Regional Survey: Lindon Deepwood
Year 4 - Complete Examination: Invisible Dragon

Changing Vortex up to battle automata. I suspect automata implementation will take a while, so may as well get started now.

Ministorum
Slot 1 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Expand Witch Hunters

Slot 2 (3 Years)
Year 3 - On Created Gods - Double Down
Year 5 - Cleanse World (Medium)

I dislike waiting this long to do primordial sea, but we need to prepare.

Telepathica
Slot ??? (Divination)
Year N/A - Greater Divination: Hive Fleet Grábakr

Slot 1 (5 Years, Ridcully)
Year 1 - Spreading The Word - Double Down
Year 3 - Greater Divination: Infiltrators and cults in the Dragon's Nest, send results to Inquisition.
Year 4 - Greater Divination: Waaagh Bloodbusta
Year 5 - Divination: Attacks

Slot 2 (2 Years, Tamia)
Year 4 - Ward Vault - Double Down

Slot 3 (1 Year, Aria)
Year 5 - Mentor: Alpha

Personal
Slot 1 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Personal Attention (Implement Technology: Harvester Heavy Tank)
Year 4 - Personal Attention (Implement Technology: Ordinatus)

Slot 2 (4 Years)
Year 2 - Lobby (Liaise with Dragon's Nest to send Envoys to local and regional Imperial Remnants and Xeno Species with warnings and offers of refugee)
Year 3 - Make a Request: First Councillor Aryz (Request representatives for envoys)
Year 4 - Personal Attention (Expand Psyker Hunters)

Slot 3 (5 Years)
Year 1 - Spend Time With: Syr, Sigmund and Grandson
Year 2 - Spend Time With: Grandson
Year 3 - Attend Emergency High Council Meeting
Year 4 - Spend Time With: Grandson
Year 5 - Spend Time With: Grandson


We probably won't get an appreciable output before everything hits, unfortunately.
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We still need to do it at some point. And the sooner we do it, the more titans we have.

Its a little silly to keep putting it off, especially since we invested so much time in to getting titans ready to be made.
 
Also, we could try to speed up the Titans by throwing more resources at them, perhaps?

Not the factories, but the Titans themselves.

They're really useful things.
 
Enjou said:
With 30-40 years, we can start both this turn, to be honest.
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Think that would be best. We can use one personal action for TW since it has a year less and it would seem like it would actually be beneficial in the long since we would likely use a lot of munitorum actions to equip more of our forces in power armor or implenting more military tech anyway.

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Chlof said:
Year 2 - Lobby (Liaise with Dragon's Nest to send Envoys to local and regional Imperial Remnants and Xeno Species with warnings and offers of refugee)
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This is a complete nonstarter. Its logistically impossible, a massive security risk, probably wouldn't be accepted and wouldn't be approved by the Trust even if it were a good idea. That said, we can contact the Imperial Remnants and trade some tech for military support.
 
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