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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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[X] Plan Augmentations and Titant

Even more upgrades to the pile.
Wish we could tell orks to wait until we get some of those upgrades done.
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Maybe we should get one expendable option for the incoming WAAAGH?
It'll be decades till we are done with this.
 
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What are we actually intending for the Titant's role to be? Not some trite bullshit about 'variety'- where do we see it fitting in our Order of Battle?

Ranged super heavy? What is it offering that the Fellblade chassis doesn't? Melee? How will it perform against DAOT tier knights with plasma, volkites, power weapons, and neutron lasers being the very least that's on the table? Are we relying on the fact we don't have to build them, just feed and raise them to make obscene amounts of relatively weak super heavies and put all our food production to good use?

This is a genuine line of inquiry, because figuring out the Titant we want before we make a show of buying the aid in designing one is just basic sense in general and especially for military procurement.

[X] Plan Augmentation and Potions
 
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Karugus said:
What are we actually intending for the Titant's role to be? Not some trite bullshit about 'variety'- where do we see it fitting in our Order of Battle?

Ranged super heavy? What is it offering that the Fellblade chassis doesn't? Melee? How will it perform against DAOT tier knights with plasma, volkites, power weapons, and neutron lasers being the very least that's on the table? Are we relying on the fact we don't have to build them, just feed and raise them to make obscene amounts of relatively weak super heavies and put all our food production to good use?

This is a genuine line of inquiry, because figuring out the Titant we want before we make a show of buying the aid in designing one is just basic sense in general and especially for military procurement.

[X] Plan Augmentation and Potions
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From what I understand we have 2 different types of Avernus wild-life currently being domesticated-ish. The Thunderlizards, and the Laser-Raptors. Laser-Raptors being something our Rough-Riders just absolutely love (for good reason really), if we can make a titanic version of either of them, they could be very powerful indeed. A titanic thunderlizard would be even more unstoppable, and a Titanic Laser-Raptor would basically be Godzilla and well... who wouldn't want to ride Godzilla into battle?
 
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Not that interested in Titants, our titans will be stronger anyway.
 
[X] Plan Augmentations and Titant

Yeah. Hopefully we can use it to balance out the Thunder Warriors. Might backfire spectaualy but putting down a handfull of soldiers (even murderblenders) should be doable.
 
agumentic said:
Cool, but what utility do they offer in comparison to normal Avernus Titans?
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The Thundabeasts provide a large scale break through/battering ram unit as well as a proper shield titan, the Tyrant Lizard allow for long range fire support.

ATM despite how cool the Lizards sound the Beasts do actually fill out a hole in the titan roster.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Eh giving them stuff may increase their production, but yeah for now no plans.


Probably.

They want stuff they can use underwater and a lot of Tau stuff is probably rated for vacuum.

For now I wanna hold off till they offer true runes.
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They have no way to use any technology we might give them. And the fact they don't use any technology at all probably means they don't need it.

The Quarok tech is also rated for vacuum. Doesn't change the fact fact it is useless underwater. The Tau technology isn't meant for underwater and high pressure use which is what the Sirens want.
 
agumentic said:
@Durin, how complicated it is to make and maintain Titants?

Cool, but what utility do they offer in comparison to normal Avernus Titans?
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Well, they'd require food instead of Advanced/Exotic/Relic materials, which should make them significantly easier to maintain. They can be bred to increase their numbers, potentially to massive numbers. We could also equip them with titan scale weapons/armor making them even more effective, but start using up those high-end materials. No risk of scrap-code attacks, Avernite wildlife base-form making them absurdly resistant to Chaos infection.

So hopefully easier maintenance, better numbers.
 
jjffjhjf said:
Well, they'd require food instead of Advanced/Exotic/Relic materials, which should make them significantly easier to maintain.
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I believe we spend so little on maintenance of our Titans, it doesn't even register as a blip in our spending. It's on the order of thousands, IIRC.
Doomed Wombat said:
The Thundabeasts provide a large scale break through/battering ram unit as well as a proper shield titan, the Tyrant Lizard allow for long range fire support.

ATM despite how cool the Lizards sound the Beasts do actually fill out a hole in the titan roster.
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I am not even sure, would psychic abilities of animals carry over? Nynye make Titants out of their eggs, not out of animals, and they don't have any open psychic stuff, after all. And long-range support is just a Reaver Titan.

Plus, there might be a problem with getting enough dead fetuses from the animals, depending on how Durin adapts the production process.
 
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I believe we spend so little on maintenance of our Titans, it doesn't even register as a blip in our spending. It's on the order of thousands, IIRC.

I am not even sure, would psychic abilities of animals carry over? Nynye make Titants out of their eggs, not out of animals, and they don't have any open psychic stuff, after all. And long-range support is just a Reaver Titan.

Plus, there might be a problem with getting enough dead fetuses from the animals, depending on how Durin adapts the production process.
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I didn't think we even had titans. Knight-titans sure, but we can't make titans or anything yet, so our titan forces can't be very impressive yet.
 
agumentic said:
I believe we spend so little on maintenance of our Titans, it doesn't even register as a blip in our spending. It's on the order of thousands, IIRC.
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Imperial titans, not our super titans.

agumentic said:
I am not even sure, would psychic abilities of animals carry over? Nynye make Titants out of their eggs, not out of animals, and they don't have any open psychic stuff, after all. And long-range support is just a Reaver Titan.

Plus, there might be a problem with getting enough dead fetuses from the animals, depending on how Durin adapts the production process.
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No idea, but even then a titan scale Thundabeast is still going to be able to inflict and absorb a ton of damage even without the power.

Aye, but the thing is likely more manoeuvrable than the reaver at least imperial designs.

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I didn't think we even had titans. Knight-titans sure, but we can't make titans or anything yet, so our titan forces can't be very impressive yet.
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We do, we've just been very careful using them.
 
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Well, they'd require food instead of Advanced/Exotic/Relic materials, which should make them significantly easier to maintain.
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This is the big thing. Even if they aren't as good as the mechanical Titans we have, they're still Titans, and the lower maintenance cost would let us field a larger number of Titans as a result. Of course, we could also cybernetically augment them, like we do the regular Thundabeasts, which would improve them and still have lower maintenance than a regular titan.
 
@Durin, forgive me if I forget, but I think you said that the Emperor is powerful enough to beat a Chaos God if it manifested in the Materium, due to how weak they'd be compared to if they were in the Warp. But if that's the case, wouldn't it be the same in the Warp? The Chaos God would have its full strength, but the Emperor is a psyker, so he would become massively more powerful too.
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin, forgive me if I forget, but I think you said that the Emperor is powerful enough to beat a Chaos God if it manifested in the Materium, due to how weak they'd be compared to if they were in the Warp. But if that's the case, wouldn't it be the same in the Warp? The Chaos God would have its full strength, but the Emperor is a psyker, so he would become massively more powerful too.
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Unsurprisingly, Chaos God loses much more of his power in Materium than a psyker.
Doomed Wombat said:
Imperial titans, not our super titans.
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They are only what, twice costlier than Imperial titans? Not much of the increase.
Doomed Wombat said:
No idea, but even then a titan scale Thundabeast is still going to be able to inflict and absorb a ton of damage even without the power.

Aye, but the thing is likely more manoeuvrable than the reaver at least imperial designs.
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Would it be able to inflict and absorb more damage than a Warlord, though?

Even discounting tons of gravitics Tranth is sure to put into our version, maneuverability is not very important in your artillery platform.
 
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agumentic said:
They are only what, twice costlier than Imperial titans? Not much of the increase.
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They're twice as effective, I can't recall whether they're twice as expensive although if that is the case I'd remind you we don't even have 1/10th of a titan legion ATM.

agumentic said:
Would it be able to inflict and absorb more damage than a Warlord, though?

Even discounting tons of gravitics Tranth is sure to put into our version, maneuverability is not very important in your artillery platform.
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With its shield absolutely.

Without probably, although we may need to stick some armour on it for extras.

It is when that artillery platform is 60 feet tall :)
 
Another point for producing bio-titans that can be maintained just by feeding them - they are a potential trade good to Alfheim and other agri-worlds. Alfheim has some AdMech production going, but they're never going to be able to maintain a Titan Legion. But since they produce more food than they can use, more so now that new food STCs are being introduced, they could easily maintain a population of bio-titans to improve their defenses.
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin, forgive me if I forget, but I think you said that the Emperor is powerful enough to beat a Chaos God if it manifested in the Materium, due to how weak they'd be compared to if they were in the Warp. But if that's the case, wouldn't it be the same in the Warp? The Chaos God would have its full strength, but the Emperor is a psyker, so he would become massively more powerful too.
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Psykers don't get that much boost in the warp, Emps is weaker than Chaos Gods and in the warp everyone uses full power therefore Emps looses. Of course, if Emps was actually strong enough to win I'm pretty sure he'd have skipped trying to fight Chaos and just go beat up the Chaos Gods directly. So logically he must be weaker in the warp.

(Also I think Durin has said that a manifested Chaos God would rip a solar system apart at minimum due to sheer power.)
 
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Of course, if Emps was actually strong enough to win I'm pretty sure he'd have skipped trying to fight Chaos and just go beat up the Chaos Gods directly.
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Not really. If he could beat up a Chaos God, that only says he could beat up *a* Chaos God, not all four at the same time. Realistically, if he went into the Warp to beat up a Chaos God, the other 3 would jump in and overwhelm him.
 
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