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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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sargentorion said:
yeah one problem with equating the eldar god's to big E, big E was explicitly a human who became a god unlike the eldar gods who were never human.
also the part where in the trust constitution were cults worshiping xenos gods being proscribed would mean humans worshiping xenos gods is not allowed as the cults it references mean human cults on the trust worlds which us allowing Isha worship would be.

let's do the smart move in this and don't mention that the blessing occured.
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Isha worship has a tangible, if slight, benefit to the effectiveness of healers. It would be that little extra edge that'll end up saving many people, more than the humans who'd get executed for Isha worship.


Durin said:
3. a slight boost for healers
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@Durin

1. By this did you mean "healers who pray to Isha get a slight boost" or "civilisations which implement worship of her with prayer, temples, priests, sacrifices, etc. get a slight boost to their healers"?
2. What advantages are there, if any, to worshipping Ynnead?
3. What about Cegorach?
 
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I think allowing isha worship would also negatively affect diplomacy with other human polities which may be a bigger issue.
 
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Honestly I've always found the Imperial Truth to be a really odd religion. It's a religion without a god in a world where gods are verifiable things with real blessings to bestow.

Allowing worship of Eldar deities would be beneficial to our population in providing them a god to worship that isn't dead or evil or both. That seems a straight up positive even before we get into the powers those gods can grant. Furthermore providing the worship of a population to one of the sane gods gives them more strength to fight the insane ones.
 
Andres110 said:
Equating, yes. If a xeno is only half as good as a human, though, then three xenos is better than one human. (This does not mean that xeno love is sanctioned if you love two xenos at once.)
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So should we then ask Saint Lyn what the standard ratio is?

inverted_helix said:
Honestly I've always found the Imperial Truth to be a really odd religion. It's a religion without a god in a world where gods are verifiable things with real blessings to bestow.

Allowing worship of Eldar deities would be beneficial to our population in providing them a god to worship that isn't dead or evil or both. That seems a straight up positive even before we get into the powers those gods can grant. Furthermore providing the worship of a population to one of the sane gods gives them more strength to fight the insane ones.
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Unfortunately the civil war it would cause is a far larger net negative.
 
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inverted_helix said:
Honestly I've always found the Imperial Truth to be a really odd religion. It's a religion without a god in a world where gods are verifiable things with real blessings to bestow.

Allowing worship of Eldar deities would be beneficial to our population in providing them a god to worship that isn't dead or evil or both. That seems a straight up positive even before we get into the powers those gods can grant. Furthermore providing the worship of a population to one of the sane gods gives them more strength to fight the insane ones.
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And in a less rabidly xenophobic polity we'd be able to do that, especially seeing as the Eldar gods in general are some of the better ones.

Avernites alone would probably love her simply because she has the potential to make one immune to Blink Spiders.

However, yeah...xenophobia.
 
I think with Isha we could just publicly say that it can lead to corruption. Covers the PR issues for now and we can change our mind upon a rescue attempt if we want.

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For the favours, I say we use two minors to help Lin and Headcap Turok and a major for some kind of strategic mobility buff, preferably webway. Keep the honourbound and minor for a rainy day.

The idea someone had earlier about getting the eldar to rediret uncorrupted human refugees to the trust sounds incredible too. While they'd be a lot of spies our counter intelligence is very good and the benefits of getting a constant trickle of imperial ships and population. @Durin, is this possible, and what would the numbers look like for it? Are there even human refugees anymore?
 
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@Durin
1. What happened with the Prophet the Eldar diverted? My hope is either a mutual kill, or the Prophet won wounded and they had a Phoenix Lord ready to clean up since that kind of victory seems like it would give a prophet a large power boost.
 
which is why i suggested we just don't mention it there is no need for us to mention it, nebulous gain and major problems is there are several factions in the trust who don't really trust as already such as the conservative mechanicus and one of the planetary govenors, why mention it when it will give the groups who don't like us more ammunition to go "see we can't trust averneus with their xeno consorting ways."
 
sargentorion said:
which is why i suggested we just don't mention it there is no need for us to mention it, nebulous gain and major problems is there are several factions in the trust who don't really trust as already such as the conservative mechanicus and one of the planetary govenors, why mention it when it will give the groups who don't like us more ammunition to go "see we can't trust averneus with their xeno consorting ways."
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Well if that's their best argument I'm afraid they're way late to the bandwagon :p.

Still we're going to have to tell the high council regardless of anything else.

Though that being said we suddenly have a vast amount of leverage over one of the most powerful polities in the galaxy...that's going to be weird for the HC.
 
Yeah no public on the Isha worshipp until Xenophobic knee jerk reaction is less Murder us and more a distaste of the subject.

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Just went to read the first turn
Jesus we have come far
 
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Well, this is great!!!

I have a few questions about this new situation @Durin

1. Would be possible to exchange Ridcully´s Greater Divination for Minor favours With the Empire of the Ashes?
1.1 If that would be possible which would the Ratio be (e.g. 3 divinations one minor favor)?
2 You just said that it will be possible for the Eldar to Decode the Data Jewels, if that so how long would it take and how much would cost us?
3 I know that you answered this in the FAQ, but the situation has changed a lot now, so, If the Eldar Rescue operation for Isha takes more time than Lin has to live, could be possible to put Sain Lin in a Stasis Pod when his situation goes truly critical until the Eldar manage to rescue Isha?
4 If we want to get the bonus when Lin looks into Chaos Undivided, do we need to research the Nature of Malal, or is he too irrelevant to matter?
5 How much would cost us to make this coming Reunion of the most Relevant Human periodical (let´s just say once each 100-200 years)
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, this is great!!!

I have a few questions about this new situation @Durin

1. Would be possible to exchange Ridcully´s Greater Divination for Minor favours With the Empire of the Ashes?
1.1 If that would be possible which would the Ratio be (e.g. 3 divinations one minor favor)?
2 You just said that it will be possible for the Eldar to Decode the Data Jewels, if that so how long would it take and how much would cost us?
3 I know that you answered this in the FAQ, but the situation has changed a lot now, so, If the Eldar Rescue operation for Isha takes more time than Lin has to live, could be possible to put Sain Lin in a Stasis Pod when his situation goes truly critical until the Eldar manage to rescue Isha?
4 If we want to get the bonus when Lin looks into Chaos Undivided, do we need to research the Nature of Malal, or is he too irrelevant to matter?
5 How much would cost us to make this coming Reunion of the most Relevant Human periodical (let´s just say once each 100-200 years)
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1. yes
1i. probebly 3 or 4 divinations per minor favour
2. one minor favour, less then a decade
3. no
4. he is too irelivent to matter
5. wait until it is over to ask
Andres110 said:
Isha worship has a tangible, if slight, benefit to the effectiveness of healers. It would be that little extra edge that'll end up saving many people, more than the humans who'd get executed for Isha worship.



@Durin

1. By this did you mean "healers who pray to Isha get a slight boost" or "civilisations which implement worship of her with prayer, temples, priests, sacrifices, etc. get a slight boost to their healers"?
2. What advantages are there, if any, to worshipping Ynnead?
3. What about Cegorach?
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1. healers who are dedicated to isha get a slight boost
2. unknown
3. ditto, corruption resistance maybe, the Harlequins seem to be pretty good at that
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. What happened with the Prophet the Eldar diverted? My hope is either a mutual kill, or the Prophet won wounded and they had a Phoenix Lord ready to clean up since that kind of victory seems like it would give a prophet a large power boost.
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1. ask in a few decades
Nurgle said:
@Durin

1 would it be a major favor to kill all the local chaos and orks in 200-300 worlds?
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yes
 
@Durin

1. Does the +50 vs Nurgle from Blessing of Isha apply in whole or in part to doing Greater Divination on Nurgle targets?
2. What are the odds of bad things happening if Ridcully divined Nurgle?
3. What about for getting the True Name of an Exalted Great Unclean One?
4. What about for an Exalted Plaguebearer?
 
@Durin
Shall I reask about ork boy?

@Enjou @Nurgle
I'd like to float an idea.

Keep the honour bound and 1 major favour, but split one minor one into three to spend on three wishes.

Wish 1
Extend Lin's life. Even if its only a few decades it increases the chance he will survive to a rescue attempt and it will likely ease his burden. It will also give us a few more decades of Lin's actions which given how only he can do it is critical.

Wish 2
Data Jewels: They do em all at once and we are not in a timeframe where we're going to crack em open in a reasonable period of time without massive investment from Ridcully, Tranth and Klovis (asking the Sphinx). From a tech and AP perspective this is very efficient.

Wish 3
Support with this attack or just generally screwing over Turoq. Just crippling this attack without any success on his end would be devastating for him especially since the Dark Mech will likely want a pound of flesh in recompense.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
Shall I reask about ork boy?

@Enjou @Nurgle
I'd like to float an idea.

Keep the honour bound and 1 major favour, but split one minor one into three to spend on three wishes.

Wish 1
Extend Lin's life. Even if its only a few decades it increases the chance he will survive to a rescue attempt and it will likely ease his burden. It will also give us a few more decades of Lin's actions which given how only he can do it is critical.

Wish 2
Data Jewels: They do em all at once and we are not in a timeframe where we're going to crack em open in a reasonable period of time without massive investment from Ridcully, Tranth and Klovis (asking the Sphinx). From a tech and AP perspective this is very efficient.

Wish 3
Support with this attack or just generally screwing over Turoq. Just crippling this attack without any success on his end would be devastating for him especially since the Dark Mech will likely want a pound of flesh in recompense.
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And remember, we can always get more Minor Favours if we exchange more Great Divination with the Eldar...
 
DragonParadox said:
So 3-4 divinations gets us enough favor to tilt the scales of what is for us a major attack. Damn... Ridiculy is way above the weight class of the rest of the Trust.
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Remember what the description of those who walk the Path of Ascension was?

They are among the most dangerous beings in the galaxy already.

Ridcully is helariously above the Trust's weight class in so many ways.
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin

1. Does the +50 vs Nurgle from Blessing of Isha apply in whole or in part to doing Greater Divination on Nurgle targets?
2. What are the odds of bad things happening if Ridcully divined Nurgle?
3. What about for getting the True Name of an Exalted Great Unclean One?
4. What about for an Exalted Plaguebearer?
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1. in part
2. high if he tried right now, low if you wait a few decades first
3. low, if he succeeds
4. ditto, more likely to succeed though
 
THIS didn't get Transcendence? Fuck. Well, hopefully that "+1 to trait chance" edges him over at some point, though if that's just +1 on a d100 and he was already at a 1% chance... well, that's not that great. Especially since he's gotten further from Transcendence thanks to his archetype trait.
 
Shard said:
@Durin

1. With Isha's blessing is Ridcully effectively immortal? (Outside of being killed, and I suppose the Eldar would provide biological immortality anyway if he isn't.)
2. Does Isha's blessing qualify Ridcully for providing immortality in others? IIRC we needed Power 35+, Control 35+, Master Biomancy and ???. Does the blessing fulfill the latter two reqs?
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1. No he still ages. It will be a problem in a thousand years or two
2. No
Andres110 said:
@Durin, with Ridcully immune to disease, does that mean he suffers none of the backlash from overdosing on potions and drugs?
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1. No he does not. It is far more conceptual then that and there is a major difference in concept between a poison and something you willingly and knowingly ingest. He can he can also still get drunk
 
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