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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Nurgle said:
@Durin 1 would my idea for a Vats on luxury good happen? 2 is it something we have to bring up at the meeting?
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The Imperial Trust doesn't have the authority to collect taxes from the citizens like that, it garnishes income of the Planetary Governments only. Taking in taxes like you're suggesting would necessitate a massive expansion of the bureaucracy on the Trust level.
Durin said:
1. Vats?
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He means consumption tax on luxury goods.
 
HanEmpire said:
The Imperial Trust doesn't have the authority to collect taxes from the citizens like that, it garnishes income of the Planetary Governments only. Taking in taxes like you're suggesting would necessitate a massive expansion of the bureaucracy on the Trust level.

He means consumption tax on luxury goods.
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Not really since ever planet has some form of collection it can be added to existing departments.
 
Durin said:
Yes to all
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Not really surprised with answer in regards to 1 and 1a but nice to hear that Avernite humans are adapting to deal with mental issues that would normally come with living on a place like Avernus better. In regards to 2:

@Durin Hypothetically have the Trust come up with protocols incase either an Avernite animal or race that is able to leave Avernus actually doing so and in great number?

Because it seems like it would be an interesting dilemna due to them not wanting anything from Avernus leaving but knowing that acting against something with the power to do it themselves may piss off Avernus and even if it doesn't picking a fight with high tech Avernus race seems like a bad idea.

Edit: To clear things up I'm assuming that the current protocols for keeping Avernite creatures from leaving was meant to prevent people from either accidently or deliberately smuggling them out instead of taking into account high tech Avernus or space traveling animals doing so on their own. Especially if they are being commanded to by the planet mind(which I'm note sure the Trust was even aware of when they made those protocols).
 
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No no one has planned for that yet
Adhoc vote count started by Durin on Jun 17, 2018 at 10:46 PM, finished with 264 posts and 22 votes.
  • [x] Plan Ambush
    -[x] Balanced Stance- By using a mix of dug in forces, raids and sallies you would be able to greatly speed up the battle without risking to much of your forces . -Currently selected
    -[x] Deploy the Last Hunters against Headcrusha- The Last Hunters equipped with the most deadly poisons of the Nyenye should be able to inflict some major wounds on Headcrusha, and may even be able to kill him.
    -[X] use potions to also help boost them
    -[x] Use space marines to lure Headcrusher into ambush
    -[x] Authorize vortex grenades
    -[x] Medium- Have your fighters move to seize control of the skies from the remaining Ork Fighter-Bombers. -
    -[X] Deploy your Descents- The Decent Destroyer is designed to lay waste to armies after descending to the lower atmosphere, use them. This will also be a major benefit for your air forces as the Decents formidable AA is brought onto the field of battle.
    -[X] Psyker Support [Ambush forces] - Your Diviners, Telepaths and Biomancers could support your ground and air forces, improving their impact and preserving their lives.
    [X] Plan: Escalate Everything
    -[X] Agressive Stance- By using the defences of Khazad-dum as an base of operations and anvil you could launch a highly aggressive campaign, using surgical strike by elite forces to inflict crippling damage to Headcrushas horde. This should allow you to quickly remove Headcrusha's aces, at the cost of high casualties.
    -[X] Deploy the Last Hunters with alkhestry potions and poisons to ambush Headcrusher.
    --[X] Lure Headcrusher with a Space Marine veteran acting as our commander into a prepared ground within the city.
    --[X] Authorize vortex grenades.
    -[X] High- have your airforce participate in the defeat of Headcrushas personal horde. Heavy losses are expected but the addition of another field of attack could prove valuable in this battle.
    -[X] Deploy your Descents- The Decent Destroyer is designed to lay waste to armies after descending to the lower atmosphere, use them. This will also be a major benefit for your air forces as the Decents formidable AA is brought onto the field of battle.
    -[X] Psyker Support [Ambush forces] - Your Diviners, Telepaths and Biomancers could support your ground and air forces, improving their impact and preserving their lives.
    [X] Abandon Khazad-dum. Nuke it till Head-Crusha is dead. Then double it.
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I like to think that one of the Trust's Armageddon Plans is to export Avernus' animals in massive numbers in every direction.

Though that being said, wouldn't Avernus's animals escape through chaotic portals occasionally, infecting Daemonworlds and whatnot?
 
Shard said:
Though that being said, wouldn't Avernus's animals escape through chaotic portals occasionally, infecting Daemonworlds and whatnot?
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Considering it's Avernus it may have or is working on things that can do something like that. And since it looks like the end of times is approaching I'm wondering if it's going to start sending out things to combat the biggest threats out into the galaxy?
 
Red Bovine said:
Considering it's Avernus it may have or is working on things that can do something like that. And since it looks like the end of times is approaching I'm wondering if it's going to start sending out things to combat the biggest threats out into the galaxy?
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Isn't the thread planning to contact the Primarchs and Eldar?

And send them things?

Seems like a way to help with that. And it's not like the Planetmind couldn't figure out that plan.
 
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The Defence of Svartalfheim Part Ten: The Siege of Khazad-dum Ends
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    • The Defence of Svartalfheim Part Ten: The Siege of Khazad-dum Ends
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    A week after the siege of Khazad-dum began the beginning of the second stage was signaled by the decent of dozens of Decent Class Destoyers from the upper atmosphere. These massive shapes started focused bombardment on the Ork hordes even as their point defense shot down Fighter-Bombers by the thousand. In particular the naval scale weapons of the Decent, small as they are on that scale proved to be able to devastate the larger targets on the ground, with almost all of the Ork Heavy Artillary and over half of their Gargents being taken out by the Decents. The Decent seems to be almost unstoppable against any force that lacks the anti-orbital firepower or heavy atmospheric bombers needed to damage them.
    35 Decents vs orks d100=27+165(Martial)+100(Decents)=292:
    Ork Defence Roll d100=19+100(Orks)-50(martial)=69
         
    Name Type Losses
    Fighter Bomber Wing Fighter 138,675.42
    Boyz Infantry 10,998.51
    Stormboyz Jump Infantry 1,683.32
    Ard Boyz Infantry 14,517.71
    Nobz Infantry 3,050.42
    Warbuggies Armour 7,482.79
    Armour Armour 87,269.98
    Dread Walker 64,945.12
    Big Gunz Artillary 30,756.93
    Very Big Gunz Artillary 16,500.07
    Huge Gunz Artillary 3,490.45
    Kommando Infantry 1,623.16
    Ork Stompa Titan 556.26
    Ork Supa Stompa Titan 64.03
    Ork Gargent Titan 211.78
    Ork Great Gargent Titan 1.41
    Ork Mega Gargent Titan 0.16
    Ork Mega Nob Power infantry 0.28

    With Headcrusha cut off from the rest of his horde its coordination actually improved, allowing the elites that remained to inflict noticeable damage to your gathered soldiers, though not without suffered billions of losses of their own. By the end of the week only a tenth of Headcrusha's original horde still lived, though those that remained come from among the best and most lucky of the Orks. The combination of your airforces, now only outnumbered five to one, Khazad-dum's anti-air batteries and the Decents proved to be more then enough to clear the skies of the Ork Fighter-Bombers within a few days. Headcrusha himself seems to only get more angry and stronger as his wounds added up, cutting down Black Irons at every increasing speed despite you deploying the Last Hunters with the poisons supplied by the Nynye and the Varangian Guard to lead him into traps. Finally the rampaging Ork was brought down by Major-General Mineyev, who shoved a Vortex Grenade into Headcrusha's throat and detonated it. While the suicidal Major-General killed his foe, much to his own surprise, and utter disappointment, despite the wounds he had already suffered and the fact that he detonated a Vortex Grenade that he was holding, Major-General Mineyev survived, though he will need a new arm, leg, and half a dozen new organs. With the death of Headcrusha what was left of his horde broke, fleeting in thousands of directions. This signals the end of the last threat on Svartalfheim, though it will still likely take months to hunt down the remaining Ork bands.
    Headcrusha vs Khazad-dum d100=28-20(martial)-80(shields)+75(gargents)=3
    Khazad-dum defence d100=39+378(defences)+400(martial)=817
         
    Name Type Losses
    Elite Heavy Combat Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Veteran Heavy Combat Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Heavy Combat Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.01
    Elite Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Veteran Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Psyker Regiment Power Infantry 0.03
    Helguard Trooper Regiment Power Infantry 0.002
    Helguard Shocktrooper Regiment Power Infantry 0.004
    Vargarin Guard Company Power Infantry 0.00
    Knight-Titans Titan 0.03
    Fellblade Regiment Superheavy 0.00
    Helltrooper Trooper Regiment Power Infantry 0.40
    Helltrooper Shocktrooper Regiment Power Infantry 0.20
    Svartalfar Elite Regiment Power Infantry 12.02
    Svartalfar Guard Regiment Power Infantry 0.31
    Power Armoured Jotun Regiment Power Infantry 0.38
    Power Armoured Infantry (Nilfheim) Power Infantry 9.36
    Chapter Serf Infantry Power Infantry 2.53
    Helguard paratrooper Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Helltrooper paratrooper Power Infantry 0.27
    Helguard Jetbike Power Infantry 0.00
    Helltroper Jetbike Power Infantry 0.18
    Scout Helguard Regiment Power Infantry 0.00
    Helltrooper Scout Infantry V 0.00
         
    Name Type Losses
    Fighter Bomber Wing Fighter 25,749.10
    Boyz Infantry 55,188.49
    Stormboyz Jump Infantry 10,867.68
    Ard Boyz Infantry 78,755.33
    Nobz Infantry 13,699.71
    Warbuggies Armour 27,250.30
    Armour Armour 27,498.89
    Dread Walker 49,654.66
    Big Gunz Artillary 92,716.88
    Very Big Gunz Artillary 1,038.52
    Huge Gunz Artillary 659.73
    Kommando Infantry 8,144.70
    Ork Stompa Titan 45.68
    Ork Supa Stompa Titan 5.96
    Ork Gargent Titan 1.48
    Ork Great Gargent Titan 0.07
    Ork Mega Gargent Titan 0.00
    Ork Mega Nob Power infantry 0.18

    Black Irons vs Headcrusha d100=4+400(martial)+200(vortex)+250(psykers)+200(numbers)+100(last hunters)+75(potions and poisons)+50(tactics)+50(Astartes)=1,329
    Headcrusha vs Black irons d100=11+200(martial)+300(wounds)+200(Last Stand)=711
    Imperial Kills
    3,931/3,551 Hp
    Ork kills
    46 Black Irons Regiments
    110 Last Hunters
    2 Companies of Varangian Guard

    Imperial Air rolls d100=21+100(AA)+390(martial)+50(decents)=566
    Ork Air rolls d100=91-3(martial)+70(numbers)=158
         
    Name Type Losses
    Fighter Bomber Wing Fighter 701,866.40
         
    Name Type Losses
    Advanced Fighter Wing (Avernus) Fighter 0.50
    Advanced Fighter Wing (Vanaheim) Fighter 0.77
    Advanced Fighter Wing (Byzantium) Fighter 0.03
    Advanced Fighter Wing (Trust) Fighter 0.32
    Fighter Wing (Vanaheim) Fighter 100.88
    Fighter Wing (Midgard) Fighter 31.80
    Fighter Wing (Svartalfheim) Fighter 2.52
    Fighter Wing (Jotunheim) Fighter 23.39
    Fighter Wing (Niflheim) Fighter 35.42
    Fighter Wing (other) Fighter 71.24
    Fighter Wing (Trust) Fighter 64.37

    Total - 20.7 billion Orks, 548 Gargents
    Warlord Headcrusha's Horde- 1.83 billion Orks, 119 Gargents,
    Warboss Eadwhacka's Horde - 8 million Orks, 29 Gargents
    Warboss Wildfang's Horde -1.34 billion Orks, 8 Gargents, entirely speed freaks
    Warboss Scalpchoppa's Horde - 749 million Orks, large numbers of wierdboyz
    Warboss Facesnappa's Horde - 139 million Orks, 21 Gargents, large numbers of kommandos, large numbers of nobs
    Warboss Slaystampa's Horde - 886 million Orks, 17 Gargents
    Warboss Warrippah's Horde - 1.09 billion Orks, 46 Gargents, large quantities of armour
    16 lesser warbosses - average of 57 million Orks, 5 Gargents,
    16 lesser warbosses - average of 146 million Orks, 3 Gargents,
    11 lesser warbosses - average of 161 million Orks, 3 Gargents,
    38 lesser warbosses - average of 181 million Orks, 3 Gargents,
    8 lesser warbosses - average of 354 million Orks, 3 Gargents,
     
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    • That man just doesn't seem to ever catch a break does he? He's been trying to die for how long now?

    Good thing the warlord is now dead though.
     
    so, I think in terms of cost to replace, I think headcruha did more damage than his army. He literally killed more people than his army did in the last clash on top of that. That is pretty fucking metal.
     
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    Hopefully we won't have to deal with another Waagh for at least ten turns. Nothing against the war turns but they do slow down the quest significantly since takes around a month or more to go through them, more if you take into account the emergency council meetings that are mandatory apperantly. Not to mention the last Waagh we dealt with before was just around five turns ago.

    @Durin Is Mineyev going to get a trait for not only personally killing a high grade combat paragon but also doing it by shoving a vortex grenade down said Orks throat and surviving it going off at point blank range? Because that is honestly pretty impressive and seems like it deserves a trait.
     
    I like how the guy who killed Headcrusha was sad he survived. I guess that's what you get when you build an army out of super depressed and suicidal badasses.

    Well time for clean up send Xaiver and Mittens out to wreck house on the fleeing orks not like the have any hope of surviving. With complete control of the skies our Air Force and fleet should speed things up.
     
    random_npc said:
    so, I think in terms of cost to replace, I think headcruha did more damage than his army. He literally killed more people than his army did in the last clash on top of that. That is pretty fucking metal.
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    That may have been due to the fact that people were way too reluctant to send any heroes against him. If we had the damage and cost would have likely been way less.
     
    While the suicidal Major-General killed his foe, much to his own surprise, and utter disappointment, despite the wounds he had already suffered and the fact that he detonated a Vortex Grenade that he was holding, Major-General Mineyev survived
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    Frustration... is an understatement for the good General.
     
    I think the tech and design for Descent class ships is definitely something we want to spread. Seem like they're quite good against Orks.
     
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