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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- western US
thats not a bad idea depedning on the circomstances ...but maybe the "favors" we do for them will only help the ultra rich or something equally useless over the long run.
.....if it does not help their war effort I don't want to owe them any thing.
but I think we could very much look into that possablity.
anyway, going into debt should pretty much never be our default option, so we would need to first find evidence that we and/or they would gain more out of it then the "interest" of it would be to us....not sure what form the interest would be but I highly doubt Durin will let us get away with owning ppl something indefinitely.
remember, we don't care about them in the long run. the emperer would want us to survive more so then the dragons survive at all, so we should be selfish here and only help them if it helps us enough for it to be worth in the long run.
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Military is just as likely. With them being pressed by Necrons I think it may even be more likely.
[X] Plan Minimal Assistance
If we fight Tier 3 with a genius Warboss, times of favors are long past. We both send everything that can fight and try to do it in as preferable position as possible, and still quite probably lose.
Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
- Location
- western US
yep....we should be asking ourselves if we want to be playing the game as ourselves or role playing as the characters that we ARE......servants of the emperor. and last time I checked he wanted us to survive -not even win....just not die.....for X many years for whatever X turns out to be....
he did not say "oh and make sure the other groups scattered around survive too" or something like that, no, just us. cas we actually ARE special in this case....somehow....(weird situation that selfishness is actually backed up by outside sources but whatever)
so while it would be nice if they can survive too, since im sure the emperer would happy to have a empire 4 times the size to come back to (or whatever) and also because they can help us in the future.but our first priority is US
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We could, of course, just unilatirally assist them with industrialization - Not tied to us owing them a favor.
HanEmpire
Delicious
A strong, industrialized Blood Dragon Domain improves our chance of survival so we should help them when we can. This type of mercenary thinking doesn't exactly help us.
Plus the BD domain is run by ascetic space marines so your first concern doesn't apply.
That's great too, because fuck Necrons.
I'm down for that as well. It's just my belief that repelling this WAAAGH! with minimal naval losses will let us help the BD better.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Fair.
But a threat below it, and above the current Waaagh (like current Waaagh, but having a good Boss), would still be more worth the favor.
Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
Ignoring the eye gouging lack of proper grammar and punctuation, you're saying we shouldn't help the Blood Dragons because it doesn't help our survival? Because having a positive and well-established relationship with a friendly domain that is several times more powerful than use would in no way help our survival? That is just flat out completely fucking idiotic.
As for us being the Emperor's special little snowflakes, I can almost guarantee you that there were multiple holdouts who got a similar, if not near identical message that we did. The Trust being the only group to be told to hold out until His return isn't just unlikely, it's outright fucking laughable.
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Here's the quote on how it plays out. Short answer is that Elites like Space Marines have the numbers, skills, and firepower to wipe out hoards while Heroes can cut through them even with their greater firepower. Hoards can kill Heroes because they only need to get lucky once while the Hero tires out but suck against Elites that can cycle out if one dies, runs out of ammo or whatever. Heroes are the fuzzy bit but most are better at single to squad level fights than Elites so can kill Elites as fast as Elites kill Hoards. Elites are elite and not high grade chaff because how hard it is to make them while still being reliable to make in some kind of numbers. This means that Heroes run out of Elites to kill off long before the chaff is all gone. Now this isn't universal especially with Heroes. Each Hero is a one off unique resource that can not be duplicated or would they be a super elite like the Space Marines are. Where the hero starts off from and who they fight are the biggest factors. Most Guard and Psyker Heroes tend toward lower top end single target damage but far more wide spread anti-hoard attacks that leave them more venerable to the enemy's Elites and Heroes. On the other hand Space Marine Heroes tend to be single target killers and the best Hero hunters of Elite killer units. Then you have special Heroes that focus on stealth or other traits that can't standup to straight combat but are a massive edge in indirect stuff like sneaking bombs onto gargants or making the cheap hoard units under them far more effective than usual.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
It would weigh the relationship in their favor.
Anyway I much dislike asking for assistance when we don't need it. In contrast to the previous war, we are not fighting on two fronts, our opponent is an idiot and also having a weaker horde to boot, we have our Paragon General and Paragon Diviner actually leading this war, and we have super fortifications on the planet to be invaded.
Further and more importantly, we do not risk the Blood Dragons opening holes in their defence, which is part of why I suspect they are asking for a major favor as opposed to just giving it for free;
Also Durin fixed the numbers in his sheet, which kinda broke naval combat in the Ork's favor, leaving that aside if we can get the BDs to owe us a favor obtaining closer relations and ultimately the possibility of intergration becomes significantly easier, or at least not harder. Also we don't want to open holes in the BD's defences. A favor implies that it's kinda bad for them in some way.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
While I do agree with you I do feel I must clarify that the Trust and Dragons are about equal in power, they are several times larger than us though.
That apparently isn't true either, the local dynasty has apparently stopped their attacks, for reasons unknown.
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Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
Hmm, I misunderstood then. Still, my point still stands. Helping them only ends positively for us.
- Location
- Australia
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Absolutely.
Huh must have misread that while waking up.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
not going to get to involved with this but I can confirm that you are not the only holdouts that the Emperor created, when he Sainted Lin he told him that he was one of multiple people getting this message
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
It would certainly be follow to put all odds in one single polity, particularly when doing that might well instigate Chaos to attack that polity for that very reason..
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
As I recall you confirmed the home worlds of the loyalist first founders.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
yes also several others, far far you do not know of any of them and given that there is a good chance that he ordered some of them to hide and that others have been wiped out you will never know all of them
- Location
- Australia
So what you're saying is we should get Ridcully to scry them all and aid them in whatever ways we can, and also see if the things that made them special could be made to benefit us in some way...
- Location
- Berkeley
Let's not. Security through obscurity seems like a decent portion of everyone's protection, and this would add a single point of failure (our info-sec) for the whole plan.
Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
Honestly, I'd be interested in creating a web of mutual defense pacts with aligned Imperial holdouts around us, Including the Blood Dragons. Something similar to NATO in a way? Though obviously the same level of commitment wouldn't be feasible.
Aelfric is looking to integrate or merge with the blood dragons in the face of the galaxy ramping up its bullshit. I could get behind that once we "uplift" them some more.
And fix their Emperor forsaken information security.