Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Actually Durin's stated he always generates the loot in advance. He may add stuff, due to omakes but the roll just determines how quick Tranth finds stuff.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Berkeley
Losing Tranth would be bad. Losing Ridcully would be catastrophic.
Sure, having him there would help out a bit, but I'd rather make sure our single most valuable character by a wide margin remains alive.
Plus, him being out of the system will probably prevent us from getting rerolls from him here, which would hurt our hero survival chance as well as any projects completing then.
Than sending him makes more sense so that they can go and come back quicker. I want my deus ex class ship.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Why though?
He can divine from here just as well as he can there thanks to his paragon traits and if they've got a pair of powerful Librarians they should be able to keep up contact.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Honestly while we should eventually set Ridcully on divining the Roskilde I feel we should have him fan the flames a bit first since we need more time to recover from the Crumpas.
- Location
- Leeds
So... Was the question actually, can we use cheating on this action? He has a clearly demonstrated ability to pull codes out of divination before so are you looking for a more fundamental reason we'd succeed or fail than how well the dice roll?
- Location
- Berkeley
The question is not if sending Ridcully along would improve the odds of the mission to Roskilde—it would. The question is if doing so is worthwhile—if the benefits his presence brings outweighs the risks associated with having him along.
Obviously anything thinking on this is speculative in nature, but I'm inclined not to send him. The lack of range penalties from scrying for him mean that he should be able to provide the bulk of the bonuses he would give them at the time of their departure—meaning no increase in the probability of someone hostile intercepting the messages. The rerolls he provides would be helpful if the fleet we send gets into trouble, sure, but the band of trouble it could help with is limited, and I would anticipate the actual odds of serious trouble that he could help out with if he was present but wouldn't be able to spot with the proposed scrying actions is small.
More, having Ridcully assigned somewhere other than Avernus for a prolonged period is inherently troublesome. I believe that the survival rerolls he provides save us something like one advisor every five years, and having high-quality advisors live (and continue to accrue more beneficial traits) is a major factor in how badass we are. Second is his impact on projects. Just this (three-year) turn he has bumped one critical success on a project up to a greater critical, turned a fail on the Void Abacus examination into a success, turned a fail on the Temple Cat research into a success, and turned a fail on a Speak to the People action into a success. When combined with the benefits of his own actions over the duration (as it sounds like we can peg the absolute minimum time for the expedition to be four years, with a more probable timeline of seven to ten), sending him off represents a major delay for numerous projects.
Finally, there's the issue of what happens if Ridcully's presence isn't enough to avoid disaster. Losing Tranth would be bad in any number of ways, but it would be survivable—while we don't have anyone nearly as good as he is at the stuff he does, his skills are hardly in the 'easily top one hundred in the galaxy' tier that Ridcully's are. Hell, just look at our work with Cheating—the benefits Ridcully gives to a big chunk of Tranth's unquestioned area of expertise is greater than what Tranth himself provides over a substitute of moderate skill. Add on the massive increase in attritional losses to our best and brightest (as the Order of Omens is a poor substitute for Ridcully there) as well as the permanent loss of a coveted Telepathica action... well, it would be bad.
Obviously anything thinking on this is speculative in nature, but I'm inclined not to send him. The lack of range penalties from scrying for him mean that he should be able to provide the bulk of the bonuses he would give them at the time of their departure—meaning no increase in the probability of someone hostile intercepting the messages. The rerolls he provides would be helpful if the fleet we send gets into trouble, sure, but the band of trouble it could help with is limited, and I would anticipate the actual odds of serious trouble that he could help out with if he was present but wouldn't be able to spot with the proposed scrying actions is small.
More, having Ridcully assigned somewhere other than Avernus for a prolonged period is inherently troublesome. I believe that the survival rerolls he provides save us something like one advisor every five years, and having high-quality advisors live (and continue to accrue more beneficial traits) is a major factor in how badass we are. Second is his impact on projects. Just this (three-year) turn he has bumped one critical success on a project up to a greater critical, turned a fail on the Void Abacus examination into a success, turned a fail on the Temple Cat research into a success, and turned a fail on a Speak to the People action into a success. When combined with the benefits of his own actions over the duration (as it sounds like we can peg the absolute minimum time for the expedition to be four years, with a more probable timeline of seven to ten), sending him off represents a major delay for numerous projects.
Finally, there's the issue of what happens if Ridcully's presence isn't enough to avoid disaster. Losing Tranth would be bad in any number of ways, but it would be survivable—while we don't have anyone nearly as good as he is at the stuff he does, his skills are hardly in the 'easily top one hundred in the galaxy' tier that Ridcully's are. Hell, just look at our work with Cheating—the benefits Ridcully gives to a big chunk of Tranth's unquestioned area of expertise is greater than what Tranth himself provides over a substitute of moderate skill. Add on the massive increase in attritional losses to our best and brightest (as the Order of Omens is a poor substitute for Ridcully there) as well as the permanent loss of a coveted Telepathica action... well, it would be bad.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I believe the point was can he drag enough of the code on his own that it gives Tranth a boost.
He can nab bits, but is it worth it.
There are what, less than 12 hours left to vote and there have been 5 people outside the plan makers voted?
That is bad.
Here are the plans. Please vote!
That is bad.
Here are the plans. Please vote!
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
[X] Plan A bit of everything
- Location
- Australia
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
SELL
10,000 Hyper Advanced Juve-Nat doses per year, 2,000 Cr
100 times - 26.6 Cr (0.77) Cargo) =10 units of food per year (total of 1000 per year or 1/2 of our net income. 77 Cargo. 2660 Credits)
BUY
48,510,833,333 Thrones per year, 116,426 Cr
Midgard owes Avernus 42,802 CR
We can sell food. We have a bunch of it, we make a bunch of it, and we don't really have any use for it, so there's no reason not to do it, but we need all the metal we can get, either to use for ourselves or to trade to Vanaheim.
SELL
10,000 Hyper Advanced Juve-Nat doses per year, 2,000 Cr
100 times - 26.6 Cr (0.77) Cargo) =10 units of food per year (total of 1000 per year or 1/2 of our net income. 77 Cargo. 2660 Credits)
BUY
48,510,833,333 Thrones per year, 116,426 Cr
Midgard owes Avernus 42,802 CR
We can sell food. We have a bunch of it, we make a bunch of it, and we don't really have any use for it, so there's no reason not to do it, but we need all the metal we can get, either to use for ourselves or to trade to Vanaheim.
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
Eh, works for me. We will be going into the negative on food soon, though, but we do have plenty of reserves. Here's the trend.
T102 - 9519 / year
T103 - 6638.2 / year
T104 - 4238 / year
T105 is 3794 / year
Still, we should be able to solve the issue later. Particularly, if we explore the region to our east we should be able to get a bunch of new farmland.
Eh, works for me. We will be going into the negative on food soon, though, but we do have plenty of reserves. Here's the trend.
T102 - 9519 / year
T103 - 6638.2 / year
T104 - 4238 / year
T105 is 3794 / year
Still, we should be able to solve the issue later. Particularly, if we explore the region to our east we should be able to get a bunch of new farmland.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
RogueInquisitor
Unexpected!
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
Let's see what unintended consequences it may bring.
Let's see what unintended consequences it may bring.
- Location
- The Void
[X] Plan Juvenat and Food
- Location
- madison
[X] Plan A bit of everything
I'd rather hold onto our debt for now. It's a useful political tool and a mufti purpose reserve. For now I'd rather just get enough thrones to keep us going along until the next high council meeting and go from there, since we may be getting a temporary tax waiver due to the invasion. There is a high council meeting next turn, we can look at what if any help rebuilding we'll get before deciding on if we want to use up what is essentially our deep strategic reserve.
I'd rather hold onto our debt for now. It's a useful political tool and a mufti purpose reserve. For now I'd rather just get enough thrones to keep us going along until the next high council meeting and go from there, since we may be getting a temporary tax waiver due to the invasion. There is a high council meeting next turn, we can look at what if any help rebuilding we'll get before deciding on if we want to use up what is essentially our deep strategic reserve.
WinterLantern
Smoked bird
- Location
- North England
Should we even go along with searching Roskilde with Tranth instead of just sending goons if we fail the cheat/divintation snatch of security codes?
- Location
- United states
I agree, Ridcully is way too valuable to risk. We also need him on Avernus since he is the main reason we don't lose main characters a lot more often.