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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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PurposefulZephyr said:
Certainly a bunch of Psykers, including Aria- I shudder to think what is a desperate demon world capable of doing.
That 1st Circle is still out there, and it shouldn't be so hard to summon him on his own turf.
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I very much doubt we are going to land on a Daemon world. As for the 1st Circle it was around because the Crusaders made a deal to attack us and Saint Lin in particular. They failed so I doubt it will come to their aid. As far as it's concerned Valinor isn't worth anything anymore.

[X] Plan 10% less
-[X] Avernus is willing/able to deploy 10% lessthan it was previously.
 
Yeah, I can't see us being able to assault Valinor itself in a ground invasion. We mainly just need to take out whatever's in orbit, do whatever orbital bombardment we can, and the quarantine it. I'd say just use Exterminatus, but that might not even work. We may be able to take a crack at it eventually, but right now I don't think we can afford to since it'd inevitably corrupt most of the forces we would send there.
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
That 1st Circle is still out there, and it shouldn't be so hard to summon him on his own turf.
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Unless we bring Lin along then nope.

inverted_helix said:
This is some serious flash cloning and training bullshit that would be really useful for the rest of us to have.
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If we want chaos sure.

Niflehiem are blanks, but the reason even the Imperium didn't use mass cloning is that it reduces people's resistance to chaos and means that chaos usually only needs to figure out 1 clone to get all of them.
 
Adventwolf said:
I very much doubt we are going to land on a Daemon world. As for the 1st Circle it was around because the Crusaders made a deal to attack us and Saint Lin in particular. They failed so I doubt it will come to their aid. As far as it's concerned Valinor isn't worth anything anymore.
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It's still is an Abomination world, so it's worth something, even if only some territory for their domain, as well as plenty of high-grade believers. Not saying it's enough on it's own, just that it's a good reason.
Angyl World, like any demon world, is ruled by something. Either that ruler goes in to fight, or it has enough... authority/influence to request/desperately bargain for help from the 1st Circle.
Again- their own turf, so far easier to summon, as well as lesser danger. The costs of hiring his help would be lesser, basically.

And if it's certain that there won't be 1st Circle, I wonder what can this world do? Send a flock of angyls? Drag our ships onto their surface to corrupt? Some massed psychic attack?
I'd be relieved if it's just a warp-infused rock instead of a Fortress of DOOM, but I still wonder.
 
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PurposefulZephyr said:
It's still is an Abomination world, so it's worth something, even if only some territory for their domain, as well as plenty of high-grade believers. Not saying it's enough on it's own, just that it's a good reason.
Angyl World, like any demon world, is ruled by something. Either that ruler goes in to fight, or it has enough... authority/influence to request/desperately bargain for help from the 1st Circle.
Again- their own turf, so far easier to summon, as well as lesser danger. The costs of hiring his help would be lesser, basically.

And if it's certain that there won't be 1st Circle, I wonder what can this world do? Send a flock of angyls? Drag our ships onto their surface to corrupt? Some massed psychic attack?
I'd be relieved if it's just a warp-infused rock instead of a Fortress of DOOM, but I still wonder.
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Its not worth that much mate. Its one of several thousand daemon worlds in the galaxy and the abomination is more than vindictive enough to leave it.

+ Its a first circle archangyle its got more important things to do than stop us blockading a single world.

As for what it can do...nothing. I mean we can't do anything to it really. We may trash the structures on it, but as long as we don't land or try to exterminatus it then we should be fine.
 
Shard said:
We might not even want to take their Hive Worlds right now.
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The initial priority is going to be to gain complete control of space by eliminating their fleets, orbital defenses, and industry. As long as we have that, all of their worlds will be cut off from one another, and thus unable to provide supplies. That could mean leaving the Hive World to stew for a while so that it starts starving to death - they don't have our agricultural boosters, so its unlikely they've got the same kind of reserves we do. Even in terms of other resource production, they're going to be vastly inferior, so they'd likely run out.

Though in respect to the Hive World, I suppose the real question is whether or not they'd have time to train more elites up.
 
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Enjou said:
The initial priority is going to be to gain complete control of space by eliminating their fleets, orbital defenses, and industry. As long as we have that, all of their worlds will be cut off from one another, and thus unable to provide supplies. That could mean leaving the Hive World to stew for a while so that it starts starving to death - they don't have our agricultural boosters, so its unlikely they've got the same kind of reserves we do. Even in terms of other resource production, they're going to be vastly inferior, so they'd likely run out.

Though in respect to the Hive World, I suppose the real question is whether or not they'd have time to train more elites up.
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on that your scouts estimate that their Hive worlds have enough food for 10 years if they were normal humans, given that this is chaos you are dealing with anything from 5 years to endless. also they will be able to use portals to move between worlds to some extent, but only on an individual level (so they could move heroes but nothing more)
 
Durin said:
on that your scouts estimate that their Hive worlds have enough food for 10 years if they were normal humans, given that this is chaos you are dealing with anything from 5 years to endless. also they will be able to use portals to move between worlds to some extent, but only on an individual level (so they could move heroes but nothing more)
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@Durin
1. If we were willing to bombard them from orbit how long do we think it would take to destroy their cities completely?
2. With the exception of their leaders on Valinor proper what chance does the Inquisition give assassinating planetary governors, surviving military leaders ect.
 
@Durin

1. What's the distribution of Valinor's Worlds? (How many Daemon Worlds, Hive Worlds, etc)
2. Have we asked the Avernite specie on their opinion of going offworld and if so, their opinion on such?
 
Shard said:
@Durin

1. What's the distribution of Valinor's Worlds? (How many Daemon Worlds, Hive Worlds, etc)
2. Have we asked the Avernite specie on their opinion of going offworld and if so, their opinion on such?
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IIRC there's only Valinor as a Daemon world, but the avernites have refused to even consider going off world for any reason, but to maybe fight chaos.
 
The more conservative members of mechanus have a bigger % in their army correct? Is this the reason we can build the titan with upgrades?
 
adamashield said:
The more conservative members of mechanus have a bigger % in their army correct? Is this the reason we can build the titan with upgrades?
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A large concentration of the conservatives power within the admech was the military, but the progressive's power has grown while the conservative's haven't as much which is why we can now.
 
adamashield said:
The more conservative members of mechanus have a bigger % in their army correct? Is this the reason we can build the titan with upgrades?
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Doomed Wombat said:
A large concentration of the conservatives power within the admech was the military, but the progressive's power has grown while the conservative's haven't as much which is why we can now.
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On that the Conservative faction maybe even weaker sense the update states that the Adeptus Mechanicus military was badly hurt in Mar Sara's defense.
 
Durin said:
on that your scouts estimate that their Hive worlds have enough food for 10 years if they were normal humans, given that this is chaos you are dealing with anything from 5 years to endless. also they will be able to use portals to move between worlds to some extent, but only on an individual level (so they could move heroes but nothing more)
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I doubt they would have endless food, given that their favor with the Abomination is likely to be at an all time low due to the sheer magnitude of their failure. Maybe on the Angyl World, but not elsewhere. So it's likely starving them would probably work. Even if not, they will likely run out of reactor fuel to keep the Void Shields running if they are under sustained orbital bombardment.
 
I know there's been mention of orbital bombardment being less powerful than would normally be expected, but is that just for ship armaments and crashing ships or does it also apply to targeted asteroid strikes?
 
[X] Plan 10% less
-[X] Avernus is willing/able to deploy 10% less than it was previously.

Nice to know that there is a chance to fat out starve out their hive worlds through siege. As a first messuarment it would be easy to set up while the ground forces take other worlds.
 
Ph34r_n0_3V1L said:
I know there's been mention of orbital bombardment being less powerful than would normally be expected, but is that just for ship armaments and crashing ships or does it also apply to targeted asteroid strikes?
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Orks technically do it...

The answer though is N/A, though there's this
Rocks are NOT 'free', citizen.
Firstly, you must manoeuvre the Emperor's naval vessel within the asteroid belt, almost assuredly sustaining damage to the Emperor's ship's paint from micrometeoroids, while expending the Emperor's fuel.
Then the Tech Priests must inspect the rock in question to ascertain its worthiness to do the Emperor's bidding. Should it pass muster, the Emperor's Servitors must use the Emperor's auto-scrapers and melta-cutters to prepare the potential ordinance for movement. Finally, the Tech Priests finished, the Emperor's officers may begin manoeuvring the Emperor's warship to abut the asteroid at the prepared face (expending yet more of the Emperor's fuel), and then begin boosting the stone towards the offensive planet.
After a few days of expending a prodigious amount of the Emperor's fuel to accelerate the asteroid into an orbit more fitting to the Emperor's desires, the Emperor's ship may then return to the planet via superluminous warp travel and await the arrival of the stone, still many weeks (or months) away.
After twiddling away the Emperor's time and eating the Emperor's food in the wasteful pursuit of making sure that the Emperor's enemies do not launch a deflection mission, they may finally watch the ordinance impact the planet (assuming that the Emperor's ship does not need to attempt any last-minute course correction upon the rock, using yet more of the Emperor's fuel).

Given a typical (class Bravo-CVII) system, we have the following:
Two months, O&M, Titan class warship: 4.2 Million Imperials
Two months, rations, crew of same: 0.2 MI
Two months, Tech Priest pastor: 1.7 MI
Two months, Servitor parish: 0.3 MI
Paint, Titan class warship: 2.5 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.9 MI
Total: 9.8 MI

Contrasted with the following:
5 warheads, magna-melta: 2.5 MI
One day, O&M, Titan class warship: 0.3 MI
One day, rations, crew of same: 0.0 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.1 MI
Total: 2.9 MI

Given the same result with under one third of the cost, the Emperor will have saved a massive amount of His most sacred money and almost a full month of time, during which His warship may be bombarding an entirely different planet.
The Emperor, through this – His Office of Imperial Outlays – hereby orders you to attend one (1) week of therapeutic accountancy training/penance. Please report to Areicon IV, Imperial City, Administratum Building CXXI, Room 1456, where you are to sit in the BLUE chair.

For the Emperor,
Bursarius Tenathis,
Purser Level XI,
Imperial Office of Outlays.

Which may just be chortle fodder, or maybe intended to show why the Imperoum at least didn't bother.
 
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