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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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@Andres110 , @Shard and @other plan makers:
1. The elites are in another fortified position behind the siege lines. As a target they are extra challeging because of the extra distance needed to cover.
2. I propose as a target the enemy artillery. The void shields can hold against reasonably well against bombartment or artillery but against both it will be pressed hard.
 
Honestly speaking, trading our Heroes to permanently kill a Greater Daemon is a good tradeoff. Those are Primarch grade assholes after all. Pity that it might sink the quest though...
 
HanEmpire said:
Honestly speaking, trading our Heroes to permanently kill a Greater Daemon is a good tradeoff. Those are Primarch grade assholes after all. Pity that it might sink the quest though...
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We're not trading heroes. Between the heroes, the Primaris Execution Forces, the artillery, the deathstrikes, the Titans, and the psyker support, I honestly don't see how it could avoid not being banished/killed, much less losing any heroes over it.
 
Shard said:
It's a pretty bad tradeoff.

You'll lose out in the long-run, and Chaos has more Daemons where that came from.
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Andres110 said:
We're not trading heroes. Between the heroes, the Primaris Execution Forces, the artillery, the deathstrikes, the Titans, and the psyker support, I honestly don't see how it could avoid not being banished/killed, much less losing any heroes over it.
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Wait what Circle Angylls are we talking about again?
 
Shard said:
@Durin Some questions:

1) Can we have Ridcully or the other Choirs to perform Divination to assist the space battle? :evil:
2) So... we could have Ridcully Scry and Fry any Aces the Abomination deploy to counter the Magma Wyrm attack, could we not?
3) How do we rate Primaris Executioner Forces against the 3rd Circle Angyl, with the support of our defenses and heroes?
4) Can our Biomancers buff the Magma Wyrms?
5) Can our Diviners control Fate to buff the Magma Wyrms?
6) According to Rotbart/Ridcully, which forces would be placed in most chaos by the Magma Wyrm attack?
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1. yes, I strongly advise against doing that if you are sallying however. a sally is by nature a major risk and should not be combined with splitting your attention
2. yes
3. you think you will be able to win but not without losses, likely including a hero loss. I should mention that the Archangyl is not alone, and any attempt to kill it will require that you engage a lot of the Angelic Host which surrounds it and is the force most likely to be able to avoid suffering major damage from your Deathstrikes.
4. yes, they can
5. yes but to a limited effect, Fateweaving is Avernus' Diviners worst field by far
6. whatever they attack and the Titans
HanEmpire said:
Oh, screw trading Heroes then. Bomb them back to the Warp.

On that note,
@Durin how many turns of munitions do we have left, assuming we're fending off direct assaults?
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you will start having to conserve ammunition after another two weeks of artillery fire, and start running out several weeks after that.
 
@Durin
1. How powerful are the 5th circle angyels?
2. I take it the Grey Knights are not getting involved just yet?


Its times like this I really wish we'd gone all in and stuck a banisment rune on a specially made Macro canon shell :D

@Shard @Andres110 just to note Aria is still up and ready and her Null Zone is one of the most potent anti demon abilities we have at the moment.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. How powerful are the 5th circle angyels?
2. I take it the Grey Knights are not getting involved just yet?


Its times like this I really wish we'd gone all in and stuck a banisment rune on a specially made Macro canon shell :D

@Shard @Andres110 just to note Aria is still up and ready and her Null Zone is one of the most potent anti demon abilities we have at the moment.
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1. Low beta Psykers, mid 30s combat
2. They are currently sourunding Lin Andy plan to stay there unless the first circle is summoned
 
Durin said:
3. you think you will be able to win but not without losses, likely including a hero loss. I should mention that the Archangyl is not alone, and any attempt to kill it will require that you engage a lot of the Angelic Host which surrounds it and is the force most likely to be able to avoid suffering major damage from your Deathstrikes.
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How is the Angelic Host that much of a threat? They only number in the hundreds of thousands. Between two Pyromancy choirs and mundane weaponry I don't see how they could survive and aid the Archangyl in its battle.
 
Durin said:
1. Low beta Psykers, mid 30s combat
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I don't know what it says about me or Avernus, but my immidiate reaction was "we can take that!"

Durin said:
2. They are currently sourunding Lin Andy plan to stay there unless the first circle is summoned
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Probably smart.

Andres110 said:
How is the Angelic Host that much of a threat? They only number in the hundreds of thousands. Between two Pyromancy choirs and mundane weaponry I don't see how they could survive and aid the Archangyl in its battle.
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Demons mate. + you know the 20 or so Beta level demons.

Anyway @Durin
1. I suppose this is a stupid question, but...could we just bombard the problem until it stopped being problematic? Just shoot the 3rd circle with macro cannons and AA guns until it stopped. We'd weaken it at least.
2. How useful would the Life Eater Death Strikes be ATM if we aimed them well?
 
[] Plan Void Wyrm FTW
-[] General Defence
--[] Have an even split of regulars and militia hold the outer defences - This is a balance between the other two options .
--[] Deploy half your elites on the wall and keep half in reserve. -This will leave you with a significant reserve force of elites while reinforcing the walls.
-[] Titan Defence
--[] Deploy all of your anti Titan forces against enemy Titans- This gives you a far better chance of stopping any Titan attack at the cost of risking all of your anti-Titan forces, while half of their Titans have yet to arrive.
-[] Angylic Host
--[] Deploy (Lulana, Jacob, Jane, Primaris Aria, 2 Primaris Executioner Forces) to combat Angyl Attacks.
--[] reserve three quarters of your Battle Psykers for dealing with Angyls - This makes sure that you do not fully strip your main defences of psyker support.
--[] keep back half of the Hunters to deal with infiltrators
-[] Psykers
--[] 2nd Telepathy Choir to Hunt for Infiltrators.
--[] 1st Divination Choir to assist Void Battle.
--[] Sirens to Dominate target Officers selected by Diviners earlier. Time the Dominate to occur at the same time the Magma Wyrm attack happens.
--[] Trolls to fortify Walls.
--[] 2nd Telekinetic Choir to cast Objuration Mechanicum on enemy Titans.
--[] 1st and 2nd Biomancer Choirs to buff the Magma Wyrms.
--[] 1st and 2nd Daemonology Choirs on reserve to blunt Angyl Attacks.
--[] Xavier, Ridcully and 1st Pyromancer Choir to Scry and Fry Abomination Aces deployed against Magma Wyrm.
--[] 2nd Divination, 2nd Pyromancer, 1st Telekinetic to rest.
-[] Space
--[] Harass the reinforcement fleet- This will cause some damage to the reinforcement fleet at the cost of some of your surviving light elements

@Durin

Any issues or comments on this plan?

The idea is that we buff the Magma Wyrms with Biomancers, then when they deploy Aces to counter omg Magma Wyrm, we burn the aces deployed, who will be distracted by fighting a goddamn Magma Wyrm. Along with Commandets suddenly going Betrayal on em, for the icing.

Maximum. Carnage.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Demons mate. + you know the 20 or so Beta level demons.
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Daemons are not that strong. Even the Imperial Guard can fight and beat them.

fakedit: Ok, I've rechecked the update. So it's not just angyls as I had thought, but higher grades of daemons as well like archangyls.

@Durin, referring to the members of the Angelic Hosts in the options as "angyls" rather than "daemons" confused me and made me think that all they summoned was the Third Circle and some lesser daemons. I'd advise using the word "angyl" only when specifically referring to the lesser daemons of the Abomination and using "daemons" when referring to Abomination daemons as a whole.
 
@Durin
1. How expensive is it for the Trust to manufacture imperial grade Dreadnought shells? Omake idea.
2. Do we know what the current situation on Mar Sara is?
 
Is there a reason we aren't putting Rotbart up against the Angyls? I'd like to see that 3rd circle Angly killed by him for a perma kill. Just to say hello to the Abomination personally.
 
Lord Hater said:
Is there a reason we aren't putting Rotbart up against the Angyls? I'd like to see that 3rd circle Angly killed by him for a perma kill. Just to say hello to the Abomination personally.
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We would be risking our Martial 50 General, a critical asset, whose loss would severely impede our functionality, particularly in this war.
 
We could give it to Jane or Jacob? They're the best swordsmen we have tbh.

EDIT: Actually better yet we could give it to Xavier. He's strong without the sword and his psyer abilities can do intense damage. Add in the sword and he becomes a proper Magic-Knight imo.
 
Andres110 said:
How is the Angelic Host that much of a threat? They only number in the hundreds of thousands. Between two Pyromancy choirs and mundane weaponry I don't see how they could survive and aid the Archangyl in its battle.
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Becaue angyls are a lot more dangerous then mortals
Doomed Wombat said:
I don't know what it says about me or Avernus, but my immidiate reaction was "we can take that!"


Probably smart.


Demons mate. + you know the 20 or so Beta level demons.

Anyway @Durin
1. I suppose this is a stupid question, but...could we just bombard the problem until it stopped being problematic? Just shoot the 3rd circle with macro cannons and AA guns until it stopped. We'd weaken it at least.
2. How useful would the Life Eater Death Strikes be ATM if we aimed them well?
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1. Not that easy
2. Very
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. How expensive is it for the Trust to manufacture imperial grade Dreadnought shells? Omake idea.
2. Do we know what the current situation on Mar Sara is?
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1. Easily affordable
2. No, I will give you an update on it after next turn
Doomed Wombat said:
We can just give the sword to someone else right?
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Yes, Jacob would be the best choice
 
What about Jane? No psyker abilities but with some battle psyker back up she could take out the 3rd cricle angyl.

EDIT: Well Jacob has been proposed by GM. An it's hard to say no since he has that paragon trait where he hits even harder the less life he has. An I doubt he can get one shoot'd.

How about we send him in with some battle psykers for back up? Meanwhile we send in our heavy assets to bring down the enemies titans and the rest to keep the elites at bay.
 
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[] Plan Tyrtle Wyrm
-[] General Defence
--[] Have an even split of regulars and militia hold the outer defences - This is a balance between the other two options .
--[] Deploy half your elites on the wall and keep half in reserve. -This will leave you with a significant reserve force of elites while reinforcing the walls.
-[] Titan Defence
--[] Deploy all of your anti Titan forces against enemy Titans- This gives you a far better chance of stopping any Titan attack at the cost of risking all of your anti-Titan forces, while half of their Titans have yet to arrive.
-[] Angylic Host
--[] Deploy (Lulana, Jacob with Black Crystal Sword, Jane, Grandmaster Aria, 2 Primaris Executioner Forces) to combat Angyl Attacks.
--[] reserve three quarters of your Battle Psykers for dealing with Angyls - This makes sure that you do not fully strip your main defences of psyker support.
--[] keep back half of the Hunters to deal with infiltrators
-[] Psykers
--[] 2nd Telepathy Choir to set up telekinetic shields.
--[] 1st Divination Choir to hunt for Infiltrators.
--[] 2nd Telekinetic Choir to cast Objuration Mechanicum on enemy artillery.
--[] 1st and 2nd Biomancer Choirs to buff the Magma Wyrms.
--[] 1st and 2nd Daemonology Choirs on reserve to blunt Angyl Attacks.
--[] Xavier, Ridcully and 1st Pyromancer Choir to Scry and Fry Abomination Aces deployed against Magma Wyrm.
--[] 2nd Divination, 2nd Pyromancer, 1st Telekinetic to rest.
--[] Trolls to reinforce our walls.
--[] Sirens to Dominate target Officers selected by Diviners earlier. Time the Dominate to occur at the same time the Magma Wyrm attack happens.
-[] Space
--[] Harass the reinforcement fleet- This will cause some damage to the reinforcement fleet at the cost of some of your surviving light elements

Key differences:
1. Instead of Telekines buffing the walls, we have Trolls do it instead. It's all they're good for at this point, so it would be a waste not to use them.
2. The Telekines will defend against enemy guns.
3. Diviners will search for infiltrators instead of the Telepaths.
4. Telepaths will defend against psychic attacks.


@Durin, given that the enemy is close to our cities now, have the enemy stopped using orbital bombardment? Will our AA now be able to work and hit their daemons?
 
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Lord Hater said:
What about Jane? No psyker abilities but with some battle psyker back up she could take out the 3rd cricle angyl.
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She's going in, but can't use the sword.

@Shard @Andres110 I'd recommend we use some of the LEF Death Strikes now (possibly in conjunction with the Magma Wyrms?) and give the Black Crystal to Jacob he can use it best.

@Durin
1. Do we think Magma Wyrms would be affected by LEF?
2. Have we already started to use Beserk Gas?
3. Alternate idea, how much damage would Xavier do the Angyel if he hooked himself up to both pyromancy choires and went Kahmehameha?
 
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