The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

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The biggest problem we have is lack of information. Like what is the Inquisition doing why have we not fully infiltrated Valinor by now.
Infiltrating a deamon world, absolutely capital idea.

Hmm, we could try and one shot the hulk I suppose, one object at sufficient velocity and all that.

Still, Tranth should be able to survive the impact with his 23+ (!) armour rating.:V

Let's go fisticuffs with Abbadon while we're at it! :D
 
Infiltrating a deamon world, absolutely capital idea.

Hmm, we could try and one shot the hulk I suppose, one object at sufficient velocity and all that.

Still, Tranth should be able to survive the impact with his 23+ (!) armour rating.:V

Let's go fisticuffs with Abbadon while we're at it! :D
The Valinor empire is 16 worlds with one of them being a demon world. So they have 15 worlds they can inflitrate. Don't even need to infiltrate set up someone to puck up radio signals like the CIA does.
 
The Valinor empire is 16 worlds with one of them being a demon world. So they have 15 worlds they can inflitrate. Don't even need to infiltrate set up someone to puck up radio signals like the CIA does.
Valinor is 16 worlds where the entire population is cultists, abomination memetic BS is everywhere and I'd imagine anyone who isn't an abomination cultist sticks out like a sore thumb as they won't be as obedient as all the other cultists.

As for the pluck radio signal thing, even assuming we could hide a station in system and intercept their signals without getting a scrap code infection it mostly works when the people in question don't have demons to scan for souls. Stealth ships might be able to hide from their physical sensors, but even warded they stick out like a sore thumb.
 
The Valinor empire is 16 worlds with one of them being a demon world. So they have 15 worlds they can inflitrate. Don't even need to infiltrate set up someone to puck up radio signals like the CIA does.

Valinor is 16 worlds where the entire population is cultists, abomination memetic BS is everywhere and I'd imagine anyone who isn't an abomination cultist sticks out like a sore thumb as they won't be as obedient as all the other cultists.

As for the pluck radio signal thing, even assuming we could hide a station in system and intercept their signals without getting a scrap code infection it mostly works when the people in question don't have demons to scan for souls. Stealth ships might be able to hide from their physical sensors, but even warded they stick out like a sore thumb.
Expanding on this: if you successfully manage to infiltrate an organisation that is dominated by chaos and overrun by cultists, it should be considered a mark against you.
 
Expanding on this: if you successfully manage to infiltrate an organisation that is dominated by chaos and overrun by cultists, it should be considered a mark against you.
No it is possible, there's an entire class in DH which can specialise in it, but the people who can do it are very small and they have limits.

Small cults at the best and the largest cult I've personally seen someone infiltrate was so fragmented the person in question could detox fairly easily.

And we still had to kill him.
 
Valinor is 16 worlds where the entire population is cultists, abomination memetic BS is everywhere and I'd imagine anyone who isn't an abomination cultist sticks out like a sore thumb as they won't be as obedient as all the other cultists.

As for the pluck radio signal thing, even assuming we could hide a station in system and intercept their signals without getting a scrap code infection it mostly works when the people in question don't have demons to scan for souls. Stealth ships might be able to hide from their physical sensors, but even warded they stick out like a sore thumb.
And we come back to the same problem as before we really do not have a idea of how the worlds are run or how infected with chaos they are. In cannon inquisition had infiltrated world over run by cultists.

Demon worlds tend to be the ones with scrap code problems. Also demon worlds tend to be chaotic and not really contusive to having a empire. So while they do have chaos they stil have to keep things running overwise they would not have the ability to keep up there fleets or army. That leaves way to get into and exploit.

Edit I would gladly get volunteers to go on Suicide missions for the better of the Trust.
 
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Trying to infiltrate Valinor would be a mistake IMO, cults can be infiltrated at great cost to the infiltrator but an entire united polity? Specifically one whose domain is obedience and domination with a focus on humans? Probably best to stick to divination's for those guys.


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Also demon worlds tend to be chaotic

Understatement of the year.
 
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No it is possible, there's an entire class in DH which can specialise in it, but the people who can do it are very small and they have limits.

Small cults at the best and the largest cult I've personally seen someone infiltrate was so fragmented the person in question could detox fairly easily.

And we still had to kill him.
I can absolutely see someone being able to infiltrate a smaller, or fragmented cult.

But Valinor is not even remotely comparable to it. The sheer mass of prayer, and worship going on would probably be able to corrupt anyone without a paragon piety trait, let alone someone that's trying to blend in with the locals.
And we come back to the same problem as before we really do not have a idea of how the worlds are run or how infected with chaos they are. In cannon inquisition had infiltrated world over run by cultists.

Demon worlds tend to be the ones with scrap code problems. Also demon worlds tend to be chaotic and not really contusive to having a empire. So while they do have chaos they stil have to keep things running overwise they would not have the ability to keep up there fleets or army. That leaves way to get into and exploit.

Sure, they might be ablate infiltrate one of the fringe worlds, but that would leave them out of the loop.

But the whole point of the Abomination is that it embodies absolute devotion, tradition for tradition's sake, and the oppressive order of the old administratum. To expect Valinor to suffer the same degree of infighting as Tzeentchians or the Servants of Slaanesh seems somewhat foolish.
 
In cannon inquisition had infiltrated world over run by cultists.
I do not remember examples of that, and even then I doubt they've infiltrated ones run by them for a thousand or so years.

Demon worlds tend to be the ones with scrap code problems. Also demon worlds tend to be chaotic and not really contusive to having a empire. So while they do have chaos they stil have to keep things running overwise they would not have the ability to keep up there fleets or army. That leaves way to get into and exploit.
:wtf: ok for a start this isn't a demon world it's specifically called an Angyel world, because it is different to a demon world.

This is presumably because the Abomination isn't a normal chaos god in that regard, it's dominion of control goes against the whole idea of having a traditionally chaotic world, with the vision from Lin showing what I'd guess it sees as perfect worlds

You open your eyes and SEE.

You see countless slaves mindlessly working to please their masters.
You see the faithful gathered in prayer listening with utter faith to their Bishop.
You see highly disciplined black clad soldiers, obeying their officers without question.
You see Tech-Priests working in their forges, each action dictated by the force of millennia of tradition.
You see fanatics fighting for their god, their general, their species, the Greater Good and countless other causes.

You see commoners working in the factories of a great Hive, as their fathers did and their fathers fathers before them.
And in each of their eyes you see the Abomination staring back at you.

As it states in the same updates it's a semblance of order, but that doesn't mean there isn't more order. I bolded the last two lines for emphasis of what I see as the most important part.

In short I think everyone in Valinor are cultists, from the highest to the lowest born, each branded at birth to ensure their fanatical devotion to the abomination.

Also saying they don't need chaos to keep an army or fleet going...hello 15 thousand years of black crusades despite the eye of terror being a cluster ****.

Also scrap code doesn't just have to be actual scrap code, it can just be abomination memes inherent to their messages which all the colonies would send.
 
I can absolutely see someone being able to infiltrate a smaller, or fragmented cult.

But Valinor is not even remotely comparable to it. The sheer mass of prayer, and worship going on would probably be able to corrupt anyone without a paragon piety trait, let alone someone that's trying to blend in with the locals.


Sure, they might be ablate infiltrate one of the fringe worlds, but that would leave them out of the loop.

But the whole point of the Abomination is that it embodies absolute devotion, tradition for tradition's sake, and the oppressive order of the old administratum. To expect Valinor to suffer the same degree of infighting as Tzeentchians or the Servants of Slaanesh seems somewhat foolish.
I understand but we have next to no actual data. Also you be surprised at the amount of intelligence that the lowest soldier knows. Gossip is one of the traditional things soldiers pass around to each other. When I was in Iraq I would here about deployment orders before the officers new.
 
In short I think everyone in Valinor are cultists, from the highest to the lowest born, each branded at birth to ensure their fanatical devotion to the abomination.

Anyone born in Valinor who didn't become a cultist would be burned at the stake, no doubt.

:wtf: ok for a start this isn't a demon world it's specifically called an Angyel world, because it is different to a demon world.

This is presumably because the Abomination isn't a normal chaos god in that regard, it's dominion of control goes against the whole idea of having a traditionally chaotic world, with the vision from Lin showing what I'd guess it sees as perfect worlds

Nah, it's a daemon world, just adhering to the Abomination's themes. Angyls are just what Abomination daemons happen to be called, but they're still Chaos daemons at the end of the day.
 
I understand but we have next to no actual data

We have their fleet numbers and strength, we have their army numbers, we have their population numbers, we found out about the "secret" crusade before it had even arrived and we have out witted their diviners at their own game, saying we have no information is plainly false.
 
And worse, every time he cut through a tentacle his sword cracked just a little bit more!
Why a power sword instead of a plasma foil?

The last hunters are false astartes level if not higher.

In fact their stuff exceeds gene seed if it weren't for the resonance age stuff, which wouldn't have been as big during the GC.
Last Hunters are certainly higher than false Astartes. False Astartes are inferior to true Astartes and Last Hunters are superior to true Astartes.
 
We have their fleet numbers and strength, we have their army numbers, we have their population numbers, we found out about the "secret" crusade before it had even arrived and we have out witted their diviners at their own game, saying we have no information is plainly false.
Those numbers are form a century ago. They are numbers from before we even crippled there fleet.
 
Why a power sword instead of a plasma foil?


Last Hunters are certainly higher than false Astartes. False Astartes are inferior to true Astartes and Last Hunters are superior to true Astartes.
But thier more expensive as well while we might be able to produce far more False Astrates style super solders if we work on it as a elite unit. Still would cost a hefty amount of Thrones and Resources along with most likely years of in universe research if we can in the first place that is.
 
Those numbers are form a century ago. They are numbers from before we even crippled there fleet.
Durin isn't going to update every turn now is he? That's unreasonable. We got those numbers because we can get data about Valanor through spying and divination, like we did with the crusade fleet we found out about.
 
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Durin isn't going to update every turn now is he? That's unreasonable. We got those numbers because we can get data about Vanaheim through spying and divination, like we did with the crusade fleet we found out about.
I think you mean Valinor. Also the whole point of spying is so we do not waste valuable divining actions.
 
Anyone born in Valinor who didn't become a cultist would be burned at the stake, no doubt.
Or sacrificed, that'd take a strong soul...or maybe the burning counts as sacrifice.

Nah, it's a daemon world, just adhering to the Abomination's themes. Angyls are just what Abomination daemons happen to be called, but they're still Chaos daemons at the end of the day.
Ok I probably didn't put that right, but still my point is that at the end of the day as a demon world of the abomination adheres to it's themes it's very different to a normal one.

Probably a lot of control, which make them good administrative centers compared to your average demon world.

Why a power sword instead of a plasma foil?
Either oversight on my part or a carry over from Jane using the Sword of the Tempest for so long that she initially taught him with that in mind.

Take your pick.

Last Hunters are certainly higher than false Astartes. False Astartes are inferior to true Astartes and Last Hunters are superior to true Astartes.
Well they would be superior to true astartes, but psycic bs.

Stupid psycic bs (please don't stop being psycic bs I like that)

But thier more expensive as well while we might be able to produce far more False Astrates style super solders if we work on it as a elite unit.
Do remember that at the height of the GC I can think of about 2 false astartes (Kor Pharon:rage: and Luther.) soooo, probably quite expensive even by our standards. Probably cheaper to just make normal astartes and more Last Hunters really, the main advantage as far as I can tell is that the false astartes don't seem to age like astartes (again I'm guessing here, because both Luther and Kor Pharon:rage: are still alive...but both of them have chaos BS going on so it's hard to tell)
 
Honestly, the Abomination would have been better off waiting for Saint Lin to die. That way an entire crusade fleet and Valinor's safety isn't sacrificed.
 
Astares seem to age like fine wine, though.

They just get better with age.
Looking at the examples we have on offer (the 15 can apparently take on an entire 1st founding chapter on their lonesome and win assuming the chapter doesn't nuke the planet their on) and our knowledge that age=good in 40K yeah this is doubly true.

Nothing concrete. We have that one spy set up but it is on non ruinous planets . So we have not really had any data or even a idea. Other than we got a crusade fleet that plans to attack the Trust to kill Saint lin.
We also know that they're fanatical enough to strip their defences to nothing to kill him too.

Honestly, the Abomination would have been better off waiting for Saint Lin to die. That way an entire crusade fleet and Valinor's safety isn't sacrificed.
Yeah, but then they don't get to sacrifice Lin's soul...or say screw you emps...or something.
 
Nothing concrete. We have that one spy set up but it is on non ruinous planets . So we have not really had any data or even a idea. Other than we got a crusade fleet that plans to attack the Trust to kill Saint lin.
The previous numbers were concrete, so was the crusade info and the info on what the aims of Valinor are. Vanaheim's stealth ships get us data on their regular fleet numbers and if we need more precision we can divine it which we are probably going to do this turn. We don't have updated datasheets because we don't need them until we interact with Valinor again when they will be relevant. Trying to infiltrate a polity at the cost of people's souls even though we know what they are doing and can easily find out what with is pointless.

Edit: Luckily we don't have the option so it's kinda a moot point tbh.
 
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