The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
We keep using that alleged surplus. And we need a big stockpile to pay our expenses until we can get our economy in order so we don't get in even more debt. And all those expansions are going to expand our AM deficit by another 10 million AM per year when they are all done. It is ridiculous, and I really do not want more debt.
We're going to have to spend Scott's time overseeing the forge in all the time she can't spend building bigger ones.

Reading this made me think of real world economics, where the different advanced nations of the world tend to be deeply indebted to each-other.

Besides Overseeing the Forge actions, I wonder if Tranth can be set to "re"inventing some industrial technology?

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I wonder if Tranth can be set to "re"inventing some industrial technology?
Unless he has an STC to reinvent it from?

Probably not, not because he can't, but because ya know. Conservatives.

his best works usually are a redesign or improvement of the technology, so it more of 'here take this STC and try to reverse enginer it' ^^
That's what his traits are best for, but he's good in most ways.
 
Considering how we have the Bane Wolf STC, I kind of want an Omake about a group of Bane Wolf crews who never get deployed due to their vehicles being built before it was realized that Avernus would hit back far harder than anyone was willing to deal with.
This idea started when I was reading through the canon wildlife Omakes and realized that an Alchemical Slug would be the perfect mascot for a group of Bane Wolfs, and started trying to justify it happening despite what Durin said would happen when asked if they could be used. They could use it to clean out their equipment when it needs servicing.
 
@Durin, virus torpedoes are apparently low tech enough that pirates can manufacture them. Even though we don't have something as powerful and OP as Virus Bombs, our very advanced Divisio Biologis should be able to make less powerful but still extremely potent non-Avernus based biological agents. (Aerosolised enhanced bubonic plague is one idea.) Can we make virus torpedoes and conduct other forms of biological warfare?
 
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And yet they make no noise whenever he finishes an action and improves upon whatever he was working on.
Those things usually have an STC basis to them and even then they get pissy about him upgrading certain things (for instance the reactors get them really pissy because of how volitle and essential they are compared to the Accelerator guns.)

To give another example I think works they get pissy about Tranth giving stealth technology to vehicles because there's no STC basis for stealth technology on vehicles, plenty of it for power armour, but none for vehicles.

However, they don't get pissy about him trying to make Vortex macrocanon shells, because that's not so large a derivative from Nova cannon shell, to macro cannon shell.
 
Those things usually have an STC basis to them and even then they get pissy about him upgrading certain things (for instance the reactors get them really pissy because of how volitle and essential they are compared to the Accelerator guns.)
To give another example I think works they get pissy about Tranth giving stealth technology to vehicles because there's no STC basis for stealth technology on vehicles, plenty of it for power armour, but none for vehicles.
However, they don't get pissy about him trying to make Vortex macrocanon shells, because that's not so large a derivative from Nova cannon shell, to macro cannon shell.
Well, we don't know what upgrades Tranth might make to a forge, so we can't make a lot of estimations whether forge-upgrades would upset the conservatives.
Let's just tell Tranth not to invent and install some AI, and I think the gains will probably be good enough to be worth the political cost.

Or we could simply ask @Durin
1: Does Tranth think he can upgrade our forges?
1.i: How much?
2. How much Mechanicus stability would it cost us?
 
Well, we don't know what upgrades Tranth might make to a forge, so we can't make a lot of estimations whether forge-upgrades would upset the conservatives.
Let's just tell Tranth not to invent and install some AI, and I think the gains will probably be good enough to be worth the political cost.

Or we could simply ask @Durin
1: Does Tranth think he can upgrade our forges?
1.i: How much?
2. How much Mechanicus stability would it cost us?
1. not at the moment
 
I'm sorry did you forget this is the adeptus mechanicus?

To most of them AI is literally the devil.

If we could use AI we'd just make a Man of Stone and build us some of the AM and EM factories that allow Mus and Nif to make infinite amounts of AM and EM.

I'll make a guess, a less conservative admech.

Part of the problem is of course the innovation thing, but the other half in this case comes into the same issue as the Titan, the Forges are really holy to the admech.
 
You must have misread me. I'll emphasize.
I think I must have because the way it was set out I read it as don't invent something instead to install an ai.

Sorry, but still.

@Durin
1. How long do we think Archmagos Varnek has left? He was 800 years old about 160 years ago I think.
Vanaheim - 10% support, 36% opposition
Midgard - 3% support, 3% opposition
Avernus - 50% support, 3% opposition
Alfheim - 20% support, 30% opposition
Asgard- 20% support, 10% opposition

Military - 15% support, 65% opposition
Titan Legions - 3% support, 3% opposition
Explorator -90% support, 3% opposition
Biologis - 75% support, 10% opposition
2. New numbers support and against.
2i. Approximatly how much of the admech support Scott's schemes vs how many oppose (so around 1/4 half?)
2ii. Do we know why 10% of the biologis are against?
3. Did the roar reduce our numbers so much, because I was certain we were above 2 million psykers?
4. That reminds me why did the order of warding take such large casualties last turn? Bad luck?

Still new numbers are encouraging for now.
 
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less conservative admech, more experience with the modern forges so he can think of ways to improve them
Thank you, Durin.
Tranth - get out of here, you aren't touching the forges. Not until we know you won't bungle the job.
The most worrying positioned of the conservative leaders is probably Archmagos Prime Paladis, leader of the Imperial Trusts Skitarii forces and current member of the Security Council. A veteran of several major campaigns Archmagos Prime Paladis has a great deal of support within the Adeptus Mechancius' military, including the absolute loyalty of the Myrmidons.
I think I understand now why Scott wants to expand her forces.
 
I think I must have because the way it was set out I read it as don't invent something instead to install an ai.

Sorry, but still.

@Durin
1. How long do we think Archmagos Varnek has left? He was 800 years old about 160 years ago I think.

2. New numbers support and against.
2i. Approximatly how much of the admech support Scott's schemes vs how many oppose (so around 1/4 half?)
2ii. Do we know why 10% of the biologis are against?
3. Did the roar reduce our numbers so much, because I was certain we were above 2 million psykers?
4. That reminds me why did the order of warding take such large casualties last turn? Bad luck?

Still new numbers are encouraging for now.
1. 200 years at most
2. around
2ii. some fo them follow the conservative priciples
3. it cut your psyker recuits for a few turns so yes
4. pretty much
 
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The Order Chonoris
The Order Chonoris

Established during the heights of the Great Crusade on the Forge World of Arceon in Segmentum Pacficus, the star of this order has long been in decline due to the loss of technology. Their purview once saw the construction of the most advanced temporal weapons in the Imperium, but the devastation of Aceon during the Horus Heresy destroyed much of their legacy.

Since then they have been in slow decline every generation seeming to lose more knowledge of their forbearers. They were not gone by most stretches still possessing the knowledge to create statis devices, like grenades, in moderately large numbers though they were of poor quality.

This tale intersects with the Imperial trust due to a pilgrim from Arceon, a promising Tech Priest named Galina. He had been an initiate in the Order Chonoris for over a century and was a skilled being besides. Pious and faithful he had requested the right to pilgrimage* to Helheim to bask in the wonder of the STC and was told he was likely to be promoted to Magos when he returned.

However, he never had his change, for while he was in Helheim the Emperor's death came trapping him in the Trust. He was able to manage as best he could joining the Adeptus Mechanicus of the Trust and laboured fairly unremarked, praising the Omnissiah when the Reclaimer rediscovered a part of the STC, joyfully implementing the new technology.

However, when the Reclaimer rediscovered the Datacore of the Sword of Surtr a collection of Statis technologies were discovered and he begged an audience with the Fabricator General. While he had not been fully initiated into the mysteries of his order before the death of the Emperor, he had still worked as an apprentice, listened and learned and thus his meagre understanding of Statis was still much greater than almost any other. Only the Archmagos Veneratus understandstood most of his explanation.

Thus, he was granted the right to re-establish his order and priority access to the statis STCs and was charged with both producing them, understanding them and spreading that knowledge.

In the modern day of the Trust the Order Chronoris is a relatively small order, the extreme skill demanded by their craft necessitating that. Despite this the order is constantly swamped with orders and commissions. Statis chambers and grenades for the biologis and inquisition, Cold Vaults for storage facilities and more recently the extremely delicate statis workings of the NEP forge, which while small require the skills of a master artisan.

In terms of politics the Order does not concern itself with it to a great extent. Their main idea of whom to follow comes from the example of the Archmagos Veneratus who them they hold in the highest respect.

The order has located itself primarily within the city of Belisama, in a highly fortified bunker. However, learning from the past the Caches containing Statis STC data have been secreted around the Helheim system in case another calamity should befall their main stronghold.

The Order Chronois is not a particularly militant organisation partially due to their small numbers, however they do possess some martially inclined members who have joined the battle congregations. These members are not of much direct support, however their mastery of statis means that they can use their grenades in unique fashions allowing them to freeze enemy fortifications and armour for easy kills as well as temporarily create defences that are indestructible to most assault due to their grenades temporarily locking the objects within.

*Most assume he arrived via the ancient and respected method of Hitchhiking, a method Techpriests have used for generations. This odd, but effective, method of travel consists of signalling the techpriests aboard a ship while it is in a port and offering their assistance aboard in exchange for movement to their destination. As most captains cannot tell the difference between one tech priest and another and most Imperial citizens left the red robed machine men alone the chances off being thrown off for being a stowaway where minimal. There are stories of Hitchhiker priests who have managed to make their way across the Imperium and back again through this method.

Got orders on the brain.

@Durin
 
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Yeah, you are both being pretty vague.
much greater than almost only the Archmagos Veneratus understanding most of his explanation
"almost" and "only" seem to be missing something in between.
does not concern itself with themselves with it to
=> "does not concern itself with it"
And I guess it's not too convenient.
Their main idea of whom to follow comes from the example of the Archmagos Veneratus who them they hold in the highest respect.
I spoke too soon. Urge to write omakes in support of cultists and conservatives rising, just to be contrary.
in case of another calamity should befall
minus "of"
freeze enemy fortifications and armour for easy kills
If you are frozen in time, does that mean you are dead, or alive?
 
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I spoke too soon. Urge to write omakes in support of cultists and conservatives rising, just to be contrary.
:rofl: You miss understand Tranth is officially politically neutral, he's not public enough for his opinions to be well known and so most people assume he's just following the Fabricator General's orders, she's to blame not Tranth the super genius (this the the same reason why we can't have Tranth drum up support for the Progressives)

As they see only that they keep way out of it and are not super useful to us in any respect save for doing what they're good at assuming they end up canon.

I do have other orders which are more on the side of the progressives so save the feeling for later :p.

If you are frozen in time, does that mean you are dead, or alive?
Alive...I think :???:.

I mean you're soul hasn't been loosed from your body so I'm going with alive for now.

You won't be after an Impaler round hits you in the head because someone fired it into the statis field after you got frozen of course.

Still thanks 1000 times for looking at my piss poor grammar ect.
 
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