The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
Why not order the armors? We might as well get it done so we'll have the armors so much the sooner, because we're going to anyway. Why do it a turn later?
Dude, no-one seems fussed by this, no-one is even rating your post's on the issue, asking Enjou to change the plan everybody has already voted on on your word alone is a bit much. You should of just made your own plan with the options you want, badgering people isn't going to do anything.
 
We are on AVERNUS,
There is no peace. Just ask Edwin.
The sooner we get the armor, the better. Besides, 20 units will only cost us 4 RM per turn. We'll be fine for the next 15 turns - the real problem is the Last Hunters. Even if we don't buy the armors, it'll only make a five-turn difference before we run out of RM if we do nothing else about it that situation. But it's not a problem at all, because in three turns we can have built a new Cathedral-Forge in Belisama, which will increase the RM sustainability to 60 turns.
I've already calculated this for your viewing pleasure. Just search "RM accounts"
Relative is the key word. Having the suits would be nice but the chance of us truly need them is not for a while. Waiting a turn is not a bad thing.
 
Dude, no-one seems fussed by this, no-one is even rating your post's on the issue, asking Enjou to change the plan everybody has already voted on on your word alone is a bit much. You should of just made your own plan with the options you want, badgering people isn't going to do anything.
Enjou making a plan and others making suggestions for changes is pretty common.
If people didn't like the suggestion, they could have said so. This is the first negative feedback I've been getting.

But voting hasn't been closed yet. So... fine.
[X] Plan Enjou.1
Exactly the same as Enjou's plan, except replacing
"-Y2: Diplomatic Relations (Quartok)"
with
Trade Talks (Svartalfheim, Order Human Terminator Armor, 20 units).

but the chance of us truly need them is not for a while
Do we truly need not to order the armors?
 
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Enjou making a plan and others making suggestions for changes is pretty common.
If people didn't like the suggestion, they could have said so. This is the first negative feedback I've been getting.

But voting hasn't been closed yet. So... fine.
[X] Plan Enjou.1
Exactly the same as Enjou's plan, except replacing
"-Y1: Persons of Interest"
with ordering 20 human terminator armors from Svartalfheim.


Do we truly need not to order the armors?
All I am saying is we are in a somewhat calm time right now. The psyker population is down, everyone is forted up because the ork gods woke up. Let's wait a turn and order them next turn. Also I do want mitten sheet, improving relations with the aliens and Sphinxes.
 
Also I do want mitten sheet, improving relations with the aliens and Sphinxes.
And investigate the relationship between Avernus and Vanaheim. And Midgard.
We already know those.

Not getting any feedback is a good way of gauging the opinion of the thread. I don't generally give negative feedback if there doesn't seem to be a point to it.
I got some feedback. Just not any negative feedback is what I'm saying.
 
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I got some feedback. Just not any negative feedback is what I'm saying.
Well on my part I didn't comment on your suggestion because there didn't seem to be a discussion developing from it, I cannot speak for Enjou but maybe he didn't see enough support from voters to justify the change? A lack of negative comments on a suggestion doesn't mean it's actually supported by people who have already cast their vote.
 
Okay, so speculating on projected details for Valinor's invasion, it involves local forces stripping their defenses plus the incoming crusade fleet, At a local force of 32 billion guardsmen plus the transports, troops, space marines and superheavies brought by the crusade fleet it is safe to say that the crusade will be more limited by transport capacity than troop availability, and their fleet will be hundreds of capital ships and tens of thousands of escorts strong.

Assuming the presence of elements from multiple corrupted Space Marine Chapters and billions of Golden Legionaries is safe, the question is in whether space marine elements will exceed two thousand in number and whether the Abomination aligned Mechanicus will send a major contingent, thus allowing them to field Titans and such.

Keeping in mind that a crusade fleet is a full campaign they might either decide to focus entirely on wherever Saint Lin is(I suggest either Avernus or Svartalfheim based on defensibility, considering Svartalfheim is a different religion I suggest Avernus), or launch diversionary attacks throughout the Trust and a main strike towards Lin, or launch a set of serious attacks towards targets of Importance(Lin, Midgard, Vanaheim), or strike a lightly defended point we will move to defend(a colony) then take advantage of their faster Daemon driven FTL to launch deeper attacks towards their real targets.

Culturally tradition and obedience are their best advantages and worst problems, their military tradition means they fight competently but means that they fight predictably and we have copies of most of their training manuals, while their focus on obedience makes them unbreakable but will impair efforts to act with their forces split, despite a high probability of the crusade fleet at least retaining Astropathic comms, and prevent them from pulling out before they take too much damage.

Considering this I expect them to either strike directly towards Avernus or take a colony then strike towards Avernus when we move in response. Likely following Imperial guidelines towards subduing enemy human groups by taking out key figures and resources in a gratuitous display of excessive destruction aimed at demoralizing the rest of their enemies.
If we're lucky the corrupted Space Marines attached to the Crusade will try to Exterminatus Avernus.
I doubt we'll be that lucky.

Assuming they don't take us out through massed bombardment(they won't, Avernus might react beyond the norm if Chaos is bombarding the surface, Imperial tradition is to avoid risking the ships, Duat has a Sun Beetle population, this is 40(+)k, they have way more Infantry to spend than ships)
then when they land they have a significant disadvantage compared to Garkill's Orkz, they can't drop organized forces directly on top of us, or really anywhere near us, considering their lander design and our heavy AA, and they can't easily teleport troops to their landed ships.

Considering most Imperial crusade's lack of emphasis on air-power and the anemic air wing support on escorts, I'd suggest getting some Vanaheim air-forces transferred over in advance then launching a massed airstrike on their landers, or maybe employ psyker choirs against them, or use the Phase Tigers and stealth psykers to plant charges and missiles to take out their landers, they'll likely have at least a partial counter but with the sheer size of their forces any damage to their landers will slow down the rate they can land forces, leaving them exposed to wildlife longer.
They'll then have to march overland, under Macrocannon bombardment at a certain proximity, as Chaos aligned beings, on Avernus, they'll get shredded.
At which point they will face whatever Trust Forces and local elites we can Precog/Schrodinger's army into position to face them.

I assume their forces will mostly be equipped in line with the Imperium's favored logistics, IE. as cheaply as possible because they want to lighten the supplies burden. But will the infantry have mostly Impalers or Lasguns? it's an important question because I'd expect troops in power armor to take on around twenty times their number of lasgun guardsmen, especially inside familiar cities on the defense, but only around two to five times their number of Impaler guardsmen.
Our city walls and artillery positions are impressive but It's really the house bunkers and prefabricated fortresses that will reduce the effectiveness of their siege artillery the most.
Their biggest threat is likely to come from the way the invasion will outnumber the entire population of Avernus combined, absent serious Trust reinforcements.

The biggest uncertainty is how they will use their space marines, will they use them as to create breaches for a breakthrough, or will they strike at critical points? and when? What other elites will they have?

And how will they use their Psykers/sorcerers? Probably Angyl summoning rituals, some potential to split them up among their forces as support but it's less likely.
 
What does having Beta level power actually mean for Ridcully anyways? What can hee do now that he couldn't before, aside from see through wards?
 
Just asking for pricing and time to make seems like a waste of an action, especially if Durin is going to put an AdMech action in next turn to make them. We can get an idea for pricing based on that, due to the costs of RM for maintenance on the Last Hunters. (looks like 100 credits per RM we buy from them)

Also, pretty sure there's people who want Mittens's character sheet. For the lulz if nothing else.
I'm hoping to get Azara's character sheet, the one who's bonded to a Siren. I wonder if humans can become familiars of one another, actually. And do they need to be psykers to gain a familiar?

As a note I'm strongly opposed to spending Mechanicus actions on building armor, owing to our horrific shortage of Mechanicus actions. If we want armor, should ask Svart for them.
 
This information is useless to us.

Actually, we need to scry on Tau ASAP, IMHO. Their FTL probably was less affected by worsened warp conditions, and wasn't affected by loss of astronomicon at all. It was 10 times slower than Imperial Warp drives in 40K. As our FTL speed became somewhere from 0.1%-1%(closer to 0.1%) of what it used to be, their drives may be a great boon.
Getting our own Tau-like drives is another matter, though. But the Tau managed to do it with much lower tech level and no understanding of Warp at all.
 
@Durin, are you including the technology from the tech trades in Deus Ex Mechanicus as potential stuff we can find in the ruins?

Actually, we need to scry on Tau ASAP, IMHO. Their FTL probably was less affected by worsened warp conditions, and wasn't affected by loss of astronomicon at all. It was 10 times slower than Imperial Warp drives in 40K. As our FTL speed became somewhere from 0.1%-1%(closer to 0.1%) of what it used to be, their drives may be a great boon.
Getting our own Tau-like drives is another matter, though. But the Tau managed to do it with much lower tech level and no understanding of Warp at all.
Maybe we'll find such a drive in the ruins? Even better if we do because human technology is ace.
 
edit2:o I really can't believe that was not bring this before (I think) but @Doomed Wombat have anyone ask Durin if the omnisaint (ridicully) can see the next plan of a mechanus temple? he certain have the power, the skill and the experience with the priest of mars to make this work, plus is not a call to war with all other chaos factions. is either this or how to make better factory ships since at some point we will need them, things like this and the STC that make want him be called the omnisaint.
We already bought it. The one after that we'd need a humongous Forge-Hive to build it in. I think that's enough of a ways off that we don't have to worry about that yet.
Besides, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
Pretty much, the only larger forges were on Mars, which is now at the centre of the eye of terra.

Assuming he could due to it's location he might be able to try and copy it, but it would take a long long long time.

if we can use one of our greyknights as a focus to see how to they are 'made'? and if not can we try the same with other SM planet? since that would add the knowledge of how they do that.

Already asked and I think no.

As for the other SM planet? (I assume you mean the blood dragons) the information is useless to us, they're of Sanguinius's blood line, not much use to us.

What does having Beta level power actually mean for Ridcully anyways? What can hee do now that he couldn't before, aside from see through wards?
Simply put he's got more power for divination, which when combined with perfect control means everything he can do has been amplified.

1. is there any kind of project to increase the progeny of certain bloodlines?

2. if we try to use artificial insemination then can we able to get/create children from notable heroes?(ridacully, saint lin Etc)

3. Hypothetically will such children carry the bloodline gift of their progenitors?(Emperor's blessing, seer talent etc)

4. is there any eugenic project available to speed up stable/sane psyker mutation/evolution and chaos resistance?
In order
1. No there isn't.
2. No.
3. In Lin and Ridcully's case almost certainly not it's soul stuff.The only possible example of this was when Syr was born with the Blood of Rotbart trait, but that was a relatively small trait
4. It's called Avernus. And no any artificial project we can try won't work as bred psykers are significantly more unstable. It's something that he's said cannot be influenced a lot. He also doesn't want to put up with too many CKII shenanigans.

Maybe we'll find such a drive in the ruins? Even better if we do because human technology is ace.
Well there are navigation labs after all.
 
Actually maybe we should try and divine Grey Knights in general to see if there are any large groups of the Imperium's finest demon slayers left and have Ridcully contact them if their nearby.
 
That's... a good point. And this is with ton of EM production STCs, normal Forge world would be in even worse situation. I mean Cathedral of the Omnisdiah produces ~10.8 times more AM than Forge-Cathedral, while Cathedral of the Machine-God produces only ~2.2 times more EM than Cathedral-Forge.

@Durin somethings fishy with CotM-G EM production numbers.
yes there is, I missed a 0
 
[X] Plan Enjou T101
I have nothing to complain as well. Might as well go with the sensible choice to show support.
Okay, I was going to let this go, but then you called the plan to have the inquisition investigate a cat (for the lulz) instead of ordering better survival equipment for our characters "sensible."
What? :jackiechan:
 
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I would swap Diplomatic Relations (Quartok) for Trade Talks (Svartalfheim, Order Human Terminator Armor).
 
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