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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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SirHades2.0 said:
Huh; so Imperial Hel(guard) Command(Helcom) is a thing.

@Durin; I've got a few questions and they're related to Xeno Protectorates
1) Theoretically if a Xeno Protectorate was to have sufficient population to contribute towards the ITG would they contribute troops or would they be excluded?
a) If they were not excluded how would they be handled by the ITG?


It was from my understanding that Quartok wouldn't really take to being under the overall command of anyone but Avernites, at least for the time being.
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1. they could be requested to
a. you are not sure, if it was the quartok they would be probably be lumped in with the Helltroopers
 
Our treaty with the Quartok does say they are supposed to tithe troops to the ITG once they've reached a sustainable enough population that they can do so.
 
Durin said:
4. not gone into
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@Durin
In hindsight, I obviously wasn't clear enough. I meant, what are we, the players, supposed to do to have the armors made here on Avernus if we don't want to order them all from Svartalfheim? I suppose we could just shove in a line about it under Mechanicus and not worry about it further, but I thought I'd ask just to keep it all in order.

@Enjou
Terminator Armor? 20 of 'em? Put it in the plan or what?
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Alright, recalculated:
We have an income of 30 RM/T, getting another 19 RM/T (after upkeep) after Machine-God Cathedral in 15 years for 49 RM/T.
In 8 years our expenditure in RM will increase by 6 RM/T from the Annwn Omnissiah Cathedral Forge. In 10 years by 0,5 RM/T from spy network, and in 25 years by another 51/T from super-elites, for a total -57,5 RM/T.
All else being equal, in 5 turns our income will have plummeted to -8,5, and we'll have a stockpile of 20+5*30+2*19-3*0,5-2*1,2-3*6-2*6 = 174,1 RM.
If we build 20 human terminator armors, it reduces our stockpile in 5 turns to 174,1 RM-20*2= 134,1 RM and income to -8,5-20*0,2 = -12,5 RM per turn. Sustainable for 10,7 Turns - from 5 turns onward, so we'd have 15 turns in all. Should be enough time to build yet another MG cathedral, right?
Additionally, we can have another Cathedral-Forge in Belisama in another three turns, producing 5 RM/T, after which the accounts in five turns would look like this: 144,1 RM stockpile, and -2,5 RM per turn deficit. Sustainable for 56,6 turns. Again, from 5 turns.
In conclusion, we can afford it. RM is not a problem.

[edit] fixed a bit of math. New "ten-turn" sustainability.
[edit #2] added Belisama C-Forge option.

[edit] @Enjou
I suggest building Terminator Armor for Rotbart, Richards, Sarnow, Clovis-Ultan, Scott, Maximal, Lin, Ridcully, Tamia, Ajax, Odysseus, and all nine Marshals. 20 in total.
And forget about asking the Svarts to make them for us. We can build and maintain them ourselves.

What do you think, guys?
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AlsoSprachOdin said:
@Durin
In hindsight, I obviously wasn't clear enough. I meant, what are we, the players, supposed to do to have the armors made here on Avernus if we don't want to order them all from Svartalfheim? I suppose we could just shove in a line about it under Mechanicus and not worry about it further, but I thought I'd ask just to keep it all in order.

@Enjou
Terminator Armor? 20 of 'em? Put it in the plan or what?
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I will be adding making some to the Mechanicus options next turn
 
Durin said:
I will be adding making some to the Mechanicus options next turn
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Neat.

Still, @Enjou let's still spend a diplo-action on hearing how much it would cost to order them from Svartalfheim, and how quickly they could be produced. Especially since Diplomacy action are cheaper than Admech actions.
Also, it was very sensibly suggested that we Wellspring before Contact, to eliminate unknown variables.

And @Durin , last question
It is written that Ridcully should never be used for anything resembling diplomacy. Is contact with Eldrad the one exception, or could Clovis or someone else with more D tag along?
 
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AlsoSprachOdin said:
Neat.

Still, @Enjou let's still spend a diplo-action on hearing how much it would cost to order them from Svartalfheim.
Also, it was very sensibly suggested that we Wellspring before Contact, to eliminate unknown variables.

And @Durin , last question
It is written that Ridcully should never be used for anything resembling diplomacy. Is contact with Eldrad the one exception, or could Clovis or someone else with more D tag along?
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it is an exception, in large part due to the fact that no one else could be involved and because a Farser is basically the one person that could easily get on with Ridcully
many of his diplomacy problems come from his issues with being a uncanny seer who sometimes has trouble staying here and now. a Farseer would not find those to be issues.
 
Durin said:
many of his diplomacy problems come from his issues with being a uncanny seer who sometimes has trouble staying here and now. a Farseer would not find those to be issues.
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Being the original article.

@Durin
1. What is the correct term for the Eldar now? Craftworlders Exodites and Dark Eldar doesn't seem right anymore so I just divide them into Ynnari and DE outcasts.
 
Durin said:
many of his diplomacy problems come from his issues with being a uncanny seer who sometimes has trouble staying here and now. a Farseer would not find those to be issues.
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So on the one hand he has a palpable aura of Significance and Presence, making him incredibly creepy to most people.
And on the other he has a habit of walking off halfway through conversations because from his point of view it already finished.

Hardly surprising his DIP is in the low single digits.
 
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Ridcully's Interpersonal Relations
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    • Durin said:
    it is an exception, in large part due to the fact that no one else could be involved and because a Farser is basically the one person that could easily get on with Ridcully
    many of his diplomacy problems come from his issues with being a uncanny seer who sometimes has trouble staying here and now. a Farseer would not find those to be issues.
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    Omake: Ridcully's Interpersonal Relations

    "Don't be daft, ya pillock!" Grandmaster Ridcully barked at the unfortunate scribe. Abruptly, two cylinders on the young man's desk, one a pen, the other a laspen, lifted into the air and zipped to the far sides of the workstation. "Make a mistake like that, you deserve what you'd get! Save that sort of incompetence until after you've made babies with that young lady- no not that one you pillock, the redhead- no- yes that one! We always need more Helguard."

    The Seer didn't wait for the boy's spluttering to subside into actual words before moving on. He didn't foresee anything of interest being said.

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    Governor Rotbart heard the commotion in the outer office and carefully laid the tablet on his desk, the missive to the Seer he had been about to begin left conspicuously blank. The squawks of outrage and confusion from the scribes gave a good indication of the psyker's progress, and at just the right moment he flicked the door's controls, opening them to reveal Ridcully standing with staff raised to give them a thump.

    Rotbart formed the intent to offer a slightly sarcastic greeting.

    "Yes, yes, good to see you too, ya smug bastard. They're a bunch of twits and you know it. Need to get shaken up now and then, makes sure the don't get complacent."

    Rotbart considered asking why Ridcully had decided to come in person.

    "Right, down to business. There are several things you should know before you make your decision."

    Rotbart didn't open his mouth for the entire meeting.
     
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    • AlsoSprachOdin said:
    Neat.

    Still, @Enjou let's still spend a diplo-action on hearing how much it would cost to order them from Svartalfheim, and how quickly they could be produced. Especially since Diplomacy action are cheaper than Admech actions.
    Also, it was very sensibly suggested that we Wellspring before Contact, to eliminate unknown variables.

    And @Durin , last question
    It is written that Ridcully should never be used for anything resembling diplomacy. Is contact with Eldrad the one exception, or could Clovis or someone else with more D tag along?
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    As a note, the SEOs have an upkeep of 51 RM/Turn, unless we pay Svart 5000 Credits/Turn, for the Super-Exitus Rifles.
     
    Durin said:
    after a bit of thought I have increased the standard number of Libarians per company by 2
    I will not that they are often deployed as a group rather then split among squads
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    Could someone slap together an omake in which the Varangian diplomats when we were making contact with the blood dragons had to explain our ludicrous numbers of librarians?
     
    I'm having trouble understanding exactly how much more AM and EM income the Cathedrals give us. In particular, it looks like the Cathedral of the Machine-God costs more EM (11k) than it produces (7,8k). Can someone explain this?
     
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    Durin said:
    Personal Attention: Helltrooper Bionics- General Richards has put forward a plan to supply your Helltrooper with bionic augmentations. These would provide a boost to the combat capability and toughness of your Helltrooper regiments, though taking them away from the front line for the eight years it would require is not currently advised.

    Time: 8 years

    Cost: 1,320,000,000 Thrones, 263,000,000 Material, 132,000 Promethium, 8,660,000 Advanced Material.
    Upkeep per year: 132,000,000 Thrones, 26,300,000 Material, 65,800 Promethium, 433,000 Advanced Material, 22,400 Exotic Material.
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    This action has an EM upkeep but no EM cost.
     
    On the topic of Eldrad, are Taldeer and Macha still alive?

    And how are our elite operatives doing?



    In the galaxy at war, with disparate species trying to desperately survive and triumph against the green onslaught,
    can love bloom again?
     
    John_Smith921030 said:
    On the topic of Eldrad, are Taldeer and Macha still alive?
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    No idea.

    Personally probably not, they're not Eldrad who's kinda indestructible (in quest at least he's old enough that he was around when the Empire was around and was the most skilled mortal seer ever. Ridcullys the most skilled now, but he's still not as good as Eldrad was I think)

    So yeah assuming assuming canon Taldeer got soul stoned at Kronus and Macha probably got soul stoned at some point. If not then she probably died along with the rest giving birth to Ynnead.

    John_Smith921030 said:
    And how are our elite operatives doing?
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    Fairly well, we've got something along the lines of 250 240 of them.

    Largest casualties was assassinating the Winner and each successive generation will probably get a little bit better at the moment, and we're still a century off before the oldest start breaking down physically.

    They're still not the best socially or mentally of course, but hey ho.

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    In the galaxy at war, with disparate species trying to desperately survive and triumph against the green onslaught,
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    Probably not :p.

    At least not with Vanaheim around.

    Right next project... eh might as well.

    Andres110 said:
    Taldeer is dead as of Dawn of War III.
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    Dark crusade actually (Kiras takes her soul stone as a trophy IIRC), though being a soul stone makes that a touch debatable.

    She's not able to do much if anything.
     
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    AlsoSprachOdin said:
    I'm having trouble understanding exactly how much more AM and EM income the Cathedrals give us. In particular, it looks like the Cathedral of the Machine-God costs more EM (11k) than it produces (7,8). Can someone explain this?
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    That's... a good point. And this is with ton of EM production STCs, normal Forge world would be in even worse situation. I mean Cathedral of the Omnisdiah produces ~10.8 times more AM than Forge-Cathedral, while Cathedral of the Machine-God produces only ~2.2 times more EM than Cathedral-Forge.

    @Durin somethings fishy with CotM-G EM production numbers.
     
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