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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Russia
I do not think so. Cruisers are their main strength, 300 cruisers are much more power and toughness than 1000 escorts. Plan #3 also kills cruisers, it just does it slower and safer, thus allowing them to deploy more ground troops. Choice between #2 and #3 is a choice between meatgrinder in space (#2) and meatgrinder on the surface (#3).
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
He thinks that you are unlikely to cause enough damage to kill more then one or to Hive Ships using it but it is a good, if expensive, way to safely kill some Tyranids, also it is slower then what he proposed for plan 3 given that very few of the torpedoes will make it through
Well, torpedoes getting through wasn't the point I think - they were meant to clear the way for sniping with Nova Cannons. Even so, I can see why they may not be able clear enough of a path for the sniping. Oh well.
Just to be clear, it's 33% chance of an overwhelming victory, 33% chance of it being pretty much a wash with a minor tilt to one side or the other, and 33% chance of total disaster. The risk to the quest is only 33%, but even if its a disaster I don't think we're losing the quest. It'd be a major setback for the subsector, but it's not like Avernus would be burning because of it. Worst case is likely we evacuate as much as possible then Exterminatus the planet, in which case we need to figure out how to fix the food situation in the subsector within ~5 years.
- Location
- somewhere
Would something like this be viable? I have almost no idea about the capabilities of the various ship types and likely tactics, but maybe an expert can work out the details.
[] Combine 1 & 3:
- Feign an attack on some of the hive ships and exploit whatever opportunities that presents (nova cannons against bunched up escorts they pull together for defense? Flanking attack?), trying to maximize kill ratio, then pull back. If this works continue to the next step, else switch to 3.
- Turn around for a second run, make it look like you are trying to do the same thing again, but instead attack the hive ships for real this time. If successful try to get the rest of the hive ships (switch to 1), else switch to 3.
[] Combine 1 & 3:
- Feign an attack on some of the hive ships and exploit whatever opportunities that presents (nova cannons against bunched up escorts they pull together for defense? Flanking attack?), trying to maximize kill ratio, then pull back. If this works continue to the next step, else switch to 3.
- Turn around for a second run, make it look like you are trying to do the same thing again, but instead attack the hive ships for real this time. If successful try to get the rest of the hive ships (switch to 1), else switch to 3.
I was attrached tot he #1 and #3 combo proposed by Lockedmind above, until durin said it would be slower then plan #3. Since durin also said he won't grant a malus to Tyranid actions until all the Hive ships are destroyed it seems like straight #3 is the way to go.
I say we go for #3, spending the lives of the ground troops to achieve total victory. It's the Imperial way.
#1 results in a 33% chance of devastating loss. #2 is dependent on reinforcement. #3 is the most sure path to a (bloody) victory with the forces we have now.
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Damn, and I really liked LockedMinds plan 
Oh well :
[x] 3
Into the meatgrinder we go. But seriously. After this we are getting the deathstrikes, a fuckton of other WMDs, RFG satellites and every and any other force multiplier we can get our hands on.
Oh well :[x] 3
Into the meatgrinder we go. But seriously. After this we are getting the deathstrikes, a fuckton of other WMDs, RFG satellites and every and any other force multiplier we can get our hands on.
- Location
- Cyberspace
I don't mind the expense of doing Nova sniping, myself. Still, I trust most in our ground forces.
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
[X] #2
I see a bandwagon for #3, but for me protecting the surface is more important than protecting the sector fleet. #3 risks heavy damage to the planet and the sector will suffer shortages if they aren't producing again in 5 years. The shipyard is coming online next year, so we can help with making ships and there will be increased demand for it from the navy. A less damaged Alfheim also gives more evidence of success for our inquisitor.
I'm concerned we won't hold if they land their entire force or if we do the planet will be in ruins.
I see a bandwagon for #3, but for me protecting the surface is more important than protecting the sector fleet. #3 risks heavy damage to the planet and the sector will suffer shortages if they aren't producing again in 5 years. The shipyard is coming online next year, so we can help with making ships and there will be increased demand for it from the navy. A less damaged Alfheim also gives more evidence of success for our inquisitor.
I'm concerned we won't hold if they land their entire force or if we do the planet will be in ruins.
Sol Zagato
senseless brute
The problem is that this got to be the most wartorn subsector in the entire Imperium. Like, seriously. We`ve got what? 3 major invasions in the span of 23 years. So an invasion for every 8 years of piece. Sometimes the invasion happens earlier than after 8 years. I dont remember exactly, but I think durin said that building a starship takes between 4 to 10 years. If we loose majority of our ships here, we will not be ready for another one. We can replace men a hell of a lot more easily than we can replace starships. And if, as I suspect, we will have to deal with an Ork waagh next, then if we loose the ships, we are fucked.
We can solve food shortage problem, we have the tech and resources to do so.
Jack_Trade
Chasing the Green Fairy
- Location
- Scotland
[X] #1
All or nothing, baby!
All or nothing, baby!
[X] #1
-[X] Switch to #3 if #1 goes badly.
Edit: changing vote
-[X] Switch to #3 if #1 goes badly.
Edit: changing vote
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dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
I think it won't be recovered before the sector has shortages. I'm not sure how long escorts take to build but we can't build sufficient numbers to replace losses but possibly enough monitors to defend our system.
If the collapse happens soon, then ship losses mean that petty imperiums and navy turned raider have fewer ships to raid us with and puts us in a better position to expand because of our shipyard. I expect every navy ship that isn't attached to our subsector is one we'll have to face at some point. At least we know that alfheim won't raid us in the future. Point about future invasions, but that really depends on how many escorts and monitors we can make in a decade. We'll just have to deal with it though, and maybe we'll get diplomatic kudo's for rebuilding a damaged alfheim.
Do tyranids use drop pod or troop transport equivalents? I notice the plan doesn't include using aircraft to shoot them down in atmosphere instead of massing forces when they land. Not sure if that's automatic, but shooting down transports will be important to cut down their numbers, especially with a larger force landing with #3.
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- Location
- USA
[x]3
prince84
In central Dogma flirting with Lilith.
- Location
- The Madness Place
[X] Option Three: Minimize casualties and try to achieve the best kill ratios possible.
"They're no more dangerous than the wildlife at home." Avernite scout talking about his feeling on being deployed to fight the Tyranids.
"They're no more dangerous than the wildlife at home." Avernite scout talking about his feeling on being deployed to fight the Tyranids.
The fewer ships the sector has, the fewer ships we have stationed in Avernus or in our sub sector. So the situation is either be strong and let the rest of the sector be strong too, even if they would later be our enemies. Or be weak and let the rest of the sector be weak as well, thus ensuring that if they do turn to be enemies later, they will be weaker than they could have been. I prefer us to stay strong, if only because it helps us with any other invasions that are going to happen until collapse comes and also we can increase our strength even further much more easily than they could. Not to mention that we simply cannot assume every petty imperium that forms after collapse to be immediately hostile to us. I like to believe that until some major disaster happens that most of those worlds will not go full retard and suddenly become hostile to everyone and everything. Even though I acknowledge that assuming the worst case scenario might be a safer course of action.
About the sector and the shortages. Most important here is Midgard. But they have a 10 year stockpile of food. We have a hydroponics STC, lots of resources and a lot of tech priests. Add in that we will not have to solve it on our lonesome, but we will have help from the sub sector government or even from the sector government.
I can`t believe we missed something that obvious. Yeah, shooting down mycetic spores should be included into the plan if it`s not a SOP already. It wont do much, but every little bit helps.Anuway, @durin, can you confirm that tyranids will only try to harvest biomass from land and not the oceans? Because if they try to eat the biomass from the oceans, then with plan 3 we are doomed and I will change my vote for option 1.
By the general Tyranid invasion schedule, they may start infesting local water sources at day 13 of expansion from their landing point. Oceans are not likely heavily harvested until they start dropping Ripper swarms
Keep in mind that in the source we get this schedule from the tyranid infestation started from one mycetic spore. Here, we are going to have millions of them landing.
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Also, can some of the native english speakers here clarify something for me? The hell does the phrase "basolithic infestation" mean? Does it mean nids infest the water? Underground? Wat?
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Sol Zagato
senseless brute
Basolithic looks like a word coined for 40k. I think they're trying to mean pretty much what you're saying. The phrase literally means "infestation pertaining to the (ground/base/foundation) rock"
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- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
They will be harvesting fro the oceans, Alfheim has large numbers of maritime life
F*ck. Ok, new vote:
[x] 2
I`m really temped to vote for option 1, but I do not like our chances all that much and I hope that if we kill enough cruisers it`s going to be easier to kill the hive ships down the line.
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