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AM stockpiles are nice, but they don't shoot gribbles in the face. better to keep your AM in the field than in a bunker.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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AM stockpiles are nice, but they don't shoot gribbles in the face. better to keep your AM in the field than in a bunker.
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- Berkeley
Remember the outside systems have been going through an extra thousand years of psychic evolution, so they should have a higher rate than 'normal' Trust worlds.
Given Avernus shenanigans and the Warp-touched nature of the place I'd expect that our own per capita psyker production is substantially higher. However, we're talking about a multiple orders of magnitude difference in population, so I'd expect them to out produce us handily.
That said, given our population traits and the aforementioned Warp-touched nature of the place I'd say we've got a substantial edge in psyker quality even before you factor our education in. Still probably not enough of an advantage for the Blood Dragons to want to start recruiting out of a distant and fairly weird world even if we were willing, and between the recruiting for the Varangian Guard and the Grey Knights once they get their gene seed figured out the stand-out candidates are already going to be in high demand.
Given Avernus shenanigans and the Warp-touched nature of the place I'd expect that our own per capita psyker production is substantially higher. However, we're talking about a multiple orders of magnitude difference in population, so I'd expect them to out produce us handily.
That said, given our population traits and the aforementioned Warp-touched nature of the place I'd say we've got a substantial edge in psyker quality even before you factor our education in. Still probably not enough of an advantage for the Blood Dragons to want to start recruiting out of a distant and fairly weird world even if we were willing, and between the recruiting for the Varangian Guard and the Grey Knights once they get their gene seed figured out the stand-out candidates are already going to be in high demand.
Doomed Wombat
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We make significantly more psykers, and I remember asking.
Apparently only a hundred years ago avernites who lived off world were statistically 0.1% more likely to have psyker kids even if it was with someone who wasn't an avernite themselves.
Given that this is probably a larger jump in a shorter time than the whole of human history this is enormous and this was about a century ago (give or take a decade)
Especially since I think the Pure of Mind and Body traits that Xavier and Aria have are probably prerequisits to be a Grey Knight (rather than power) and they're rare as balls.
Hell even one with the Prereques to be a Librarian of the Guard are rare as balls.
BD have an advantage cause BA geneseed tends to awaken psycic potential quite easily (Like knock off blood ravens)
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Nianque
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Blood Ravens cheat because they're descended from Magnus.
Doomed Wombat
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Yep, but IIRC BA are also noted for having a peculiar number of psykers, though not as many.
Not nearly as many, but most people shrug and reasonably assume it is because Sanguinius he too was a psyker albeit an unconcious one.
@Durin
1. Does Astartes equipment include specialist ammunition like Dragonbreath, Fragmentation and Vengeance rounds?
2. Does it include The Bloodshard bolt?
3. How common is Pure of Mind and Soul for psykers?
4. How is the Midgard Branch of the University coming along?
5. Has the Avernite admech population surpassed that of Vanaheim?
6. Will Scott still be getting a trait for getting rid of young? I remember you saying she was, but she got Heir of the Renaissance, which I guess might have been it?
7. Compared to the admech as a whole how diplomatic is Scott? It's kinda hard to tell at times?
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The psychic development on Avernus represents an absolutely massive spike in the overall rate, but our population numbers are still small when compared to the multiple hive worlds the Blood Dragons are recruiting from. When combined with the mild spike in the rate of psykerness that has happened over the last thousand years in the galaxy at large, I'd expect the overall number of psykers to still be tilted in favor of the Blood Dragons.
That isn't to say that they'll have an easy time finding all the psykers spread out through their population, especially in time for recruiting them.
The issue with the Grey Knights and the Guard is that high quality candidates are already going to be in very high demand. A delta or gamma male psyker of appropriate age and with favorable traits like purity is going to be extremely appealing to both of them, even if only the grey knights need the purity trait.
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True, but the strength of the psykers is still going to be tilted towards us (I don't think finding a single Beta in their entire population in a 5 year period is common in the slightest, never mind the 5 we seem to get on Average) even if Midgard is behind a millennia I don't think they've gotten any psyker above Delta so far (or at least last I checked thank you for reminding me) though that is probably for the best. Given their population size and the relative lack of preparedness (prepared for any threat, not a rampaging beta). Remember per capita we still out produce the entire rest of the trust handily and our population is only growing as well (though it's not as impressive seeing as three worlds can't produce any psykers.)
Training them I imagine would also be a nightmare, you can't really move an untrained psyker through the warp even one with the appropriate traits, not without a Black Ship. which I doubt they possess.
The Guard I do not imagine will have too many issues, out of the 100 of the first batch I recall 10 of them were psykers. The Knights who knows, Pure of Mind and Soul don't seem to be especially common traits.
Still at least now the Grey Knights are going to be even more monstrous than they were before.
Once they only had Nemisis weapons, now they've got siren runes MWHAHAHAHA.
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- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
I'm rather upset we are giving away most of our AM/EM production tech, not only because they're by far our most important technological advantage but also because they, unlike weapons/armors/vehicles/ships/etc. who can be captured or salvaged in the field, are much easier to prevent enemy from gaining acces to. Though with green tide coming I guess compromises must be made, though I really want to add clause that Dragons' Nest implement tech-protection protocols similar to what we implemented some time ago.
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Doomed Wombat
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Honestly I agree with you.
But with the warnings that this maybe our last chance... and the orks, I think best to risk it.
Worst case scenario the orks destroy the blood dragons and it gets out, best case scenario (in that case) they destroy everything and the survivors come to us.
Best best case scenario we engage in Jolly cooperation and join forces.
Still I don't think they're ones to let their stuff get stolen me thinks.
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
about the number of spyker. Do we have the % of our population that have powers? using the rule of three to the 14 billions avernites, we have that we just find 0,0019 people with minor powers, this is what almost 2 people in a group of 1,000 that we find every 5 years (my math can be very wrong and I only had use the number of minor powers from the last updade. so it don't count the ones that already have)?
So how is our % of spyker per avernite (that are 'awake' to their powers).
Also we lost lot of them per year, so I don't know if spykers die more than a 'normal avernite' (in %), they die from trial, fighting chaos, burning out, in our fights and some age faster (or at last die far faster).
add to this that the planet Interfere (which is kind of the entire point so) so I don'r know if it Interfere more or less with us or if it will escale its 'help' (probably).
So how is our % of spyker per avernite (that are 'awake' to their powers).
Also we lost lot of them per year, so I don't know if spykers die more than a 'normal avernite' (in %), they die from trial, fighting chaos, burning out, in our fights and some age faster (or at last die far faster).
add to this that the planet Interfere (which is kind of the entire point so) so I don'r know if it Interfere more or less with us or if it will escale its 'help' (probably).
I asked Durin about this before making the plan, and he said that the AM/EM STCs will be guarded very well by the Dragon's Nest AdMech. The Blood Dragons will also have had a lot of experience with keeping their own tech out of the hands of their enemies - they probably have destruction protocols in place already. Since the Dragon's Nest isn't hostile and isn't very likely to become hostile, we're not really risking much by giving them a boost in the AM/EM department.
There's also the simple fact that AM and EM production are essential to the production of some of the technologies we're selling them. Advanced Astartes Power Armor takes a bit, and they'll need to make enough for ~5,000 Astartes. Ships, orbital defences, and even higher end city defenses also take a great deal of AM and EM to build and maintain, so the boost will let them fort up a lot better than they otherwise would.
Doomed Wombat
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These are the most accurate numbers I have for you, although I do warn you they are now almost exactly a century out of date.
Our number of unconcious psykers (Mu or greater) is apparently so large that its not worth figuring out.
Awakening power seems to be based both on power and need (so stress ect.) seems more likely to awaken a persons power if I'm any judge.
Losses per year are not too bad most Avernite creatures seem less inclined to give powerful ones a hard time and we have such a core of veterans that our losses are minimised.
Combine that with the constant activity and stress and our numbers of veterans and up is actually very impressive.
As for Planet Interference... who knows anything about Avernus. I think there was a theory rattling around that the Deep Ones were eating Alpha's that would otherwise have rampaged, but I don't think we ever found any evidence to back it up.
It certainly doesn't react to Betas.
Its also still lower than us and we're getting the Cathedrals so hopefully our AM/EM/RM production is going to increase a great deal.
+ Scott's only got ...
Oh my god.
ITS NEXT TURN!!!
She looses YOUNG NEXT TURN!!!
Next turn is year 200!
Unfortunately we're still a way's off from building them. We haven't even gotten the current level into all of our existing Forge Cities, or doubled up on those either.
Doomed Wombat
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I know, I doubt we have the population either...
That reminds me.
YES LET IT BEGIN!!!
I can only hope that she does it right.
The Conservatives could very easily start claiming that she is being foolish for introducing changes when stability is needed.
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Doomed Wombat
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Ah the Options...
Ah the questions...
@Durin
1. Does Astartes equipment include specialist ammunition like Dragonbreath, Fragmentation and Vengeance rounds?
2. Does it include The Bloodshard bolt?
3. How common is Pure of Mind and Soul for psykers?
4. How is the Midgard Branch of the University coming along?
5. Has the Avernite admech population surpassed that of Vanaheim?
6. Will Scott still be getting a trait for getting rid of young? I remember you saying she was, but she got Heir of the Renaissance, which I guess might have been it?
7. Compared to the admech as a whole how diplomatic is Scott? It's kinda hard to tell at times?
Well its a good thing we were starting to run out fortify actions then
.Just need to start Dis and then we'll have 2 actions free to expand them and I must say I like that.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
1-2 yesAh the Options...
Ah the questions...
@Durin
1. Does Astartes equipment include specialist ammunition like Dragonbreath, Fragmentation and Vengeance rounds?
2. Does it include The Bloodshard bolt?
3. How common is Pure of Mind and Soul for psykers?
4. How is the Midgard Branch of the University coming along?
5. Has the Avernite admech population surpassed that of Vanaheim?
6. Will Scott still be getting a trait for getting rid of young? I remember you saying she was, but she got Heir of the Renaissance, which I guess might have been it?
7. Compared to the admech as a whole how diplomatic is Scott? It's kinda hard to tell at times?
Well its a good thing we were starting to run out fortify actions then
Just need to start Dis and then we'll have 2 actions free to expand them and I must say I like that.
3. very very rare (1 in a thouand at best)
4. several hdurned thouand strong, starting to get enough Witch Finders
5. no
6. no, it was Heir of the Renaissance
7. far above average but not quite exceptional
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- United states
Not sure if I am remembering correctly but from what I remember psykers are extremely rare to the point that only around one are born on most planets and this was the case even ten thousand years after the emperor ended up on the golden throne. There is also the issue that psykers tend to be killed off by the population due to fear of them. Psykers getting killed may be even more common due to them most planets not being able to be transported safely through space without Black ships and them being somewhere where they couldn't be trained. This is pretty much what is and was happening on many worlds on the trust to the point that we decided to build a school on the planet with most psyker beside Avernus. So even if psykers may have become somewhat more stable they probably are having an even worse time after the Emperors death.
Should point out that the BG and Grey knight are currently not recruiting and there is a time limit for how long until potential candidates are too old which is aroun puberty and we tend to find psykers as young as 5-7 years old who can spend years training. We don't even have to offer our best psykers since even low level ones make far more dangerous space marines due to being psykers. It could even be argued that we can get a good deal by offering them psykers since it will only be a matter of time until the Space Marines chapters most closely alligned with us start recruiting.
Though aren't sure if they are even willing to offer anything of if it would even be worth it.
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HanEmpire
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1) Is there any likelihood of Avernus' Mechanicus surpassing Vanaheim's Mechanicus in size?
2) How large are Mechanicus on:
2a) Midgard?
2b) Alfheim?
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- United states