Based on this comment does anyone have any objections to trading the Astartes Advanced Power Armor designs?
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Based on this comment does anyone have any objections to trading the Astartes Advanced Power Armor designs?
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Enjou could you remove the part about the Berserker gas, it doesn't work on Orks, I made a post noting it and it has the quote.
Yes, but I think the potential benefits of the forges and angel steel trump it.
We will also be getting the Terminator armour so we have that over them too.
You might also want to add in a thing asking Pallidus to support the implementation of the improved reactors, I believe @Durin said we could try to do that.
Can you also add trading navigator genes to the list. We have superior genes from house Norn so we might be able to get something out of that.
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I'd like to at least remove the advanced stealth technology from the designs but times are quite desperate
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eeeh mate there's no problem building them.
If we fail the admech get pissy, but if we succeed they party.
Hell its not even if we fail its if we fail badly.
Regardless you are over estimating the power of the factory ships, they don't substitute for a planet's factories and resources, their thing is that they can supply ships with fuel and maintain them much longer than would be possible other wise.
Perfect for long term shipping like explorators and raiders as well as our own supply lines, not for defensive opps, especially given how fragile they are.
Could you look at the other things.
Pallidus and Navigator genes as well, we might as well try to milk this for all its worth and +50% to all power for ships would be massive.
Can you perhaps modify this to unique equipment and designs that they have and we don't have, just in case.
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An important thing we've forget: we need to trade for their Apothecary knowledge.
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... I don't actually know if we can.
I mean the thing is Space Mariens are really tight fisted with any thing geneseed related (or at least usually) and Blood Angels and their descendents more than most.
They'd probably just give us stuff we already know and I can't think of anything we can give them(that we're willing to part with) that would equal it.
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As long as Varangian Guard is OK with that. Also I imagine getting samples and patterns of Terminator armor will be much easier and cheaper if we promise to deliver improved Terminator armor schematics back tothem when finished.
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This is true. Most chapters gradaully implant all the organs of the Space Marines over a number of years. The Blood Angels and their descendants give the neophytes their training. Once that's over they put them in a chamber, and implant all the organs with the exception of the Black Carapace.
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eh, that's what the Blood Angels do. I got no idea what the Dragons do. What he's talking about (probably) is information on their geneseed probably in the hope that it'll help with reverse engineering the Grey Knights who are from the emperor.
Given the Blood Dragon's nature as a descendent of the Blood Angels and thus their Sanguinary priests having studied their gene seed more extensively (in fact being close to experts on the subject) for ways to combat the Flaws its not a bad idea, just that they tend not to like anyone knowing about those.
Added. I'll note though that replacing reactors in existing ships on a grand scale may not be possible given we weren't able to do that in refits before.
Also added trading the actual power armor designs instead of just supplying examples.
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Given that its an upgrade for the reactors as is rather than a whole new design we might be able to (we certainly had no issue changing the normal reactors found in the data core with the ones found on the Well), so hopefully it should be doable.
Even then even on a small scale a few ships have +50% more power is huge, more power for everything from the shields to the guns.
Sniff. Goodbye my pretties, may you not be stolen from them.
In any case one more addition I'd like to request is changing this
To something like this
"Unique equipment and designs that the blood dragons have, but the Trust doesn't have."
My reasoning is that we "might" (very hypothetically) get screwed, because things like Angelsteel and Bloodshard bolts don't fall under normal astartes kit.
Just window dressing, but it would ease my mind.
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So since the Goliath factory we can easily do. What about super titans? I've read parts of Red Flags quest. Beast-tier ork Gargants and Morkanaut/Gorkanaught are very bad news. I'd rather like to have a counter.
Could do with a bit of re-wording. The Sirens specifically asked for cultists when they proposed the deal. It might just have been a political consideration but it is one we should use.
After all saying 'we want to eat those cultists' is significantly less provocative than 'we want to eat humans, cultists will do'.
Do you have the quote or the update number for that?
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We want to do super titans, but we have to hold off for the next 3 turns.
When Scott looses her Young Trait in year 200 then we can do it, other wise...
Ah blast if @Durin was back I'd ask if we could use the opportunity to try and see if we could convince Pallidus to support us on this, but hey ho.
I think they know we won't sell them human souls so I think proposed the cultists on their own or at least that's what I recall IIRC.
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We should at least try. It will not be cheap, but it should be possible. Maybe GK's and Varangian Guard should talk with them directly, they should be less distrustful of other Astartes who has the right to know secrets of geneseed manipulation. It may increase speed of Varangian Guard build-up and allow creation of Grey Knight successor chapter.
BTW, maybe now is a good time to ask them about their plans on rebuilding their chapter or founding a new one?
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Sigh.
1. All astartes are pretty much willing to die to keep their genetics secret, the blood angels and their descendants especially due to the twin flaws.
2. This is stuff for understanding specific flaws in the geneseed it would not help with implantation to my knowledge.
3. We know what we're missing with the Grey Knights and it might help.
4. Why would we found a successor chapter? With terra gone they are probably the last Grey Knights in the universe and we have their gene seed.
5. IIRC @Durin told us that after the first few hundred guard were ready then we'd get options to start, however when I asked him if we could start early due to the current crisis he said there would not be enough time for it to be useful.
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This isn't actually true.
They directly ask for human souls.
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Again IIRC we asked @Durin for clarification at some point and he said they asked for human souls, but specified cultists as they figured we wouldn't just give them civilians.
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1. We don't need their dark secrets, we need more generic knowledge which applies to all Astartes.
2. They still know more than our Apothecaries, which are not only inexperienced, but lost some common Apothecary knowledge.
3. Sorry, can you elaborate please?
4. They probably can't do 666 trials without specific equipment on Titan.
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See, even if they only have a few decades to prepare once Gork and Mork show up they'll probably stick around for centuries. This is a permanent problem, requiring a permanent solution- grow the Trust.
Saint Lyn is explicitly against both significant expansion and aggressive proselytizing. Or job is to survive until the Emperor returns, not try to do his job.
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No they retained it all, they have been recruiting before they came into the trust and they retained all of it and even then ArchMagos biologis are taught what you are talking about just in case its needed for what ever reason (examination emergency help ect)
The grey Knights are more complex and powerful then regular astartes, and we have their geneseed.
Maybe, with any luck we can replicate much of it, we have a much better understanding of the warp after all (the imperium apparently didn't even know about psy frequencies), they also remember all their stuff, its kinda of implanted in them permanently and in their book (they all have a copy.)
Maybe, not much point talking about it right now as we need to survive for now.
He means expand the size of the trust not the religion, though the two do go hand in hand.
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