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Vanahiem has a massive IOU, is there anything we actually want from them? I've mentioned purchasing an Adjucator or Mobile Lab, but is there anything else we could be interested in?
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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So I was getting real tried of trying to find what level our cities were for the Upgrade action when, by chance I came across this:
E: Just noticed that the table was missing the City of Glass in Aridia.
E2: Also noticed that we didn't get an increase in Rep with the Quartok for upgrading their city to level 7.
And the cities that we upgraded so far:
E: Just noticed that the table was missing the City of Glass in Aridia.
E2: Also noticed that we didn't get an increase in Rep with the Quartok for upgrading their city to level 7.
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Long term we want to save what they owe us, because they'll be able to build things like a Dreadnought for us.
Also, we already have an Adjudicator and two Mobile Labs. We don't really need Vanaheim building more for us.
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I think there's an argument to be made for replacing the 3 Capitol Imperialis with Adjudicators and moving them to the reserve or selling them. They and the Leviathan are outdated designs that I'm surprised we are still using.
Doomed Wombat
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Cheap.
Though we don't use them often if at all now a days. Not even the Adjudicator has seen much use.
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Most Imperial Era tech is cheaper than its DAoT equivalent. That doesn't mean that its more efficient. Reassesing whether they are still worth the cost or should be mothballed and replaced is a legitimate question. As for not using them much its probably because they are most useful offensively. That and they probably were part of the artillery pounding the Ork fortresses.
More importantly, the Imperial Trust Guard lacks either a Capitol Imperialis, or an Adjudicator and only has two Leviathans. Commissioning a proper command vehicle for Schwarz is probably a good idea irregardless of whether we want more of our own.
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Enjou said that other people could buy from the trust if they're still in deficit after this trade, could we sell them one of those?
Ok, putting my plan up to vote. I'm still waiting on @Durin to answer whether or not our navy's admiral wants more Defence Cruisers or Defence Monitors, and will make a change based on it - my currently inclination is not to spend Vanaheim credits on those right now, given that I think we'll want to perform the action "Construct Defence Cruisers and Escorts" instead, which will give us a lot of the Defence Cruiser variants.
[X] Plan Fair Deals
Asgard (5 Cargo, 93,407 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
100,000 Advanced Material per year - 13,110 Cr
300 Exotic Material per year - 7,990 Cr
100,000,000 Promethium per year - 5 Cargo, 780 Cr
SELL
200 Knights per year - 21,320 Cr
Alfheim (20 Cargo, 113,298 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
80,000 Advanced Material per year - 10,496 Cr
2,000 Exotic Material per year - 15,980 Cr
SELL
Training - 10 Cr
500,000,000 Metal per year - 20 Cargo, 41,400 Cr
Vanaheim (30 Cargo, 1,528,126.2 owed to Avernus)
BUY
5 Helheim Pattern Defence Cruisers - 4196.7 Cr
200 Defence Monitors - 7500 Cr
SELL
500,000,000 Metal per year - 30 Cargo, 41,100 Cr
Jotunheim (640 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
none
SELL
none
Midgard (168 Cargo, 69,638 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
5,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 30,500 Cr
5,000,000,000 Material per year - 105 Cargo, 467,000 Cr
SELL
6,000,000,000 Metal per year - 126 Cargo, 489,600 Cr
2,000 Food per year - 42 Cargo, 18,400 Cr
Svartalfheim (16 Cargo, 268,045 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 263,000 Cr
SELL
600,000,000 Promethium per year - 16 Cargo, 4,680 Cr
100,000,000 Thrones per year - 520 Cr
Muspelheim (77.4 Cargo, 170,208.1 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 264,800 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 163,600 Cr
SELL
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 43 Cargo, 92,800 Cr
800,000,000 Promethium per year - 34.4 Cargo, 6,240 Cr
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
Niflheim (10 Cargo, 162,025.7 owed to Avernus)
BUY
1,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 133,100 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 161,600 Cr
SELL
500,000,000 Material per year - 10 Cargo, 46,400 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
[X] Plan Fair Deals
Asgard (5 Cargo, 93,407 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
100,000 Advanced Material per year - 13,110 Cr
300 Exotic Material per year - 7,990 Cr
100,000,000 Promethium per year - 5 Cargo, 780 Cr
SELL
200 Knights per year - 21,320 Cr
Alfheim (20 Cargo, 113,298 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
80,000 Advanced Material per year - 10,496 Cr
2,000 Exotic Material per year - 15,980 Cr
SELL
Training - 10 Cr
500,000,000 Metal per year - 20 Cargo, 41,400 Cr
Vanaheim (30 Cargo, 1,528,126.2 owed to Avernus)
BUY
5 Helheim Pattern Defence Cruisers - 4196.7 Cr
200 Defence Monitors - 7500 Cr
SELL
500,000,000 Metal per year - 30 Cargo, 41,100 Cr
Jotunheim (640 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
none
SELL
none
Midgard (168 Cargo, 69,638 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
5,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 30,500 Cr
5,000,000,000 Material per year - 105 Cargo, 467,000 Cr
SELL
6,000,000,000 Metal per year - 126 Cargo, 489,600 Cr
2,000 Food per year - 42 Cargo, 18,400 Cr
Svartalfheim (16 Cargo, 268,045 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 263,000 Cr
SELL
600,000,000 Promethium per year - 16 Cargo, 4,680 Cr
100,000,000 Thrones per year - 520 Cr
Muspelheim (77.4 Cargo, 170,208.1 Cr owed to Avernus)
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 264,800 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 163,600 Cr
SELL
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 43 Cargo, 92,800 Cr
800,000,000 Promethium per year - 34.4 Cargo, 6,240 Cr
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
Niflheim (10 Cargo, 162,025.7 owed to Avernus)
BUY
1,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 133,100 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 161,600 Cr
SELL
500,000,000 Material per year - 10 Cargo, 46,400 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
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[X] Plan Max EM/AM
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Enerael
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...are you sure about this Enjou?
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This is the current list of Cities on Avernus (got it from The Return of Garkill, again Part Four: Orbit & The Return of Garkill, again Part Five: Deployment).
In Bold, Underlined & White; the Cities/Hives that we have Upgraded to Level 7 - Incredibly Heavy.
In Bold, Underlined & Red; the Psyker City we Upgraded / Constructed to Level 8 - Ultra Heavy.
In Bold, Underlined & Green; Malea, the Quartok city that we Upgraded to Level 7 and yet didn't seem to get a reaction about or increased Rep.
In Bold, Underlined & Yellow; The City we are Expanding into a Hive.
In Bold, Underlined & Aqua; The Small Forge Hive we are Expanding into a Large Forge Hive.
In Bold, Underlined & Barbie; The Minor Psyker City we are in the process of constructing.
In Bold, Underlined & White; the Cities/Hives that we have Upgraded to Level 7 - Incredibly Heavy.
In Bold, Underlined & Red; the Psyker City we Upgraded / Constructed to Level 8 - Ultra Heavy.
In Bold, Underlined & Green; Malea, the Quartok city that we Upgraded to Level 7 and yet didn't seem to get a reaction about or increased Rep.
In Bold, Underlined & Yellow; The City we are Expanding into a Hive.
In Bold, Underlined & Aqua; The Small Forge Hive we are Expanding into a Large Forge Hive.
In Bold, Underlined & Barbie; The Minor Psyker City we are in the process of constructing.
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Name |
Environment |
Type |
Defence Level |
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Dis |
Mountain |
Capital, Large Hive |
7 |
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Casarrondo |
Mountain |
Major City |
7 |
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Gormec |
Mountain |
Major City |
7 |
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Helm's Deep |
Mountain |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Lemnos |
Mountain |
Small Hive |
7 |
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The Lonely Citadel |
Mountain |
Major City |
7 |
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Belegost |
Mountain |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Nogrod |
Mountain |
Psyker Artisan City |
8 |
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Arbor |
Island |
Small Hive |
7 |
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The Fair Isle |
Island |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Storm's End |
Island |
Major City |
7 |
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Roke Island |
Island |
Psyker Research City |
8 |
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Unseen University |
Forest |
Psyker Student City |
8 |
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Lorien |
Forest |
Major City |
7 |
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Mirkwood |
Forest |
Major City |
7 |
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Hollin |
Forest |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Dorthonion |
Forest |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Doriath |
Forest |
Small Hive |
7 |
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The Fens |
Tropics |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Asmat |
Tropics |
Major City |
7 |
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Limberlost |
Tropics |
Major City |
7 |
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Okefenokee |
Tropics |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Malea |
Plains |
Quartok City |
7 |
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Nurn |
Plains |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Garden Grove |
Plains |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Bonud |
Plains |
Major City |
7 |
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Yphax |
Plains |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Salem |
Desert |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Silver Lake |
Desert |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Babylon |
Desert |
Major City |
7 |
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Beirut |
Desert |
Major City |
7 |
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True Grit |
Desert |
Small Hive |
7 |
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City of Glass |
Desert |
Psyker Battle City |
8 |
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Iota One |
Delta (Desert) |
Major City |
7 |
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Iota Two |
Delta (Lake) |
Major City |
7 |
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Iota Three |
Delta (Desert) |
Major City |
7 |
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Alexandria |
Delta (Delta) |
Small Hive |
7 |
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Iota Five |
Delta (Delta) |
Major City |
7 |
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Ain al-Asil |
Delta (Desert) |
Major City |
7 |
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Waset |
Delta (Lake) |
Major City |
7 |
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Sakkara |
Delta (Desert) |
Psyker Training City |
8 |
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Annwn |
Amaltheia (Lunar) |
Large Forge Hive |
7 |
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Mag Mell |
Deiphobe (Lunar) |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Nechtan |
Deiphobe (Lunar) |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Erecura |
Taraxandra (Lunar) |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Belisama |
Taraxandra (Lunar) |
Small Forge Hive |
7 |
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Doomed Wombat
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0 |
Current Number |
Cost(T) |
Cost(M) |
Cost(P) |
Cost(AM) |
Cost(EM) |
Upkeep(T) |
Upkeep(M) |
Upkeep(P) |
Upkeep(AM) |
Upkeep(EM |
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Baneblade squadron |
40 |
31,610 |
3,290 |
1,829 |
342 |
1 |
6,322 |
658 |
915 |
34.2 |
| Leviathan |
7 |
46,880 |
10,860 |
7,925 |
1,188 |
10 |
9,376 |
2,172 |
3,963 |
118.8 |
0.52 |
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Capitol Imperialis |
3 |
93,760 |
23,120 |
16,485 |
2,536 |
21 |
18,752 |
4,624 |
8,243 |
253.6 |
1.05 |
Note that it is incredibly small compared to our current stuff.
If we had the design and the Admech weren't being dicks we could probably flood the guard with them cheap as is their maintenance, assuming they haven't been mothballed already, as they not participating in Garkill's invasion to my knowledge (all units participating in engagements are listed in rolls and I can't remember them being there, or even in the sections listing our troop numbers), though I can't comment on the after party.
As for commissioning him a replacement, dude if the man wants a command structure he can commission his own out of the Guard's budget, but we can't give him a giant shiny present after we made him the higher commander of the Trust's armed forces, that would look compromised as hell even if we really do just want him to have a nice command structure.
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Is that total cost or cost per unit? Because what I'm reading is that a squadron of Baneblades is cheaper than either of those.
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Not certain.
Fairly sure it shows the current number and the cost of maintaining all of them not individual ones.
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So at best an Imprialis is three times more expensive than a squadron and at worst about as expensive as 42 squadrons?
Not going to lie. At three times it might be worth it, even if it would win in a straight fight the ability of those squadrons to be in probably 30 to 40 places at once is a good strategic advantage. At 42 times? Not even close.
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Given it looks like the cost is covered all of them at once it is 3x.
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I'm almost certain its individual. Just compare the relative costs of the Governor's Own to a power armored Helguard Regiment. The Governor's Own is damn expensive sure, but there's no way its AM upkeep is more than 127 regiments combined.
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The point is, there are a lot of problems with your plan apart from I don't know where an up to date list of our regiments is, but if by 'flood the guard' you mean give one to every regiment then thats about 3 million material for the Black Irons of turn 59 alone. You'd double that from adding the armour regiments alone and we don't know if attaching 3 baneblade squadrons would be better anyway.
E: In that case regarding MonkeyTypewriters comment multiply that cost by about 14 and you're in the right ball park. I.E 42 million material. Its do able, but there are sure as hell better things to be doing.
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Doomed Wombat
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Seeing as they're all wearing elite power armour, and have a whole array of Land Raiders, plasma foils and Conversion beamers all of which makes a lot more sense.
I said we could (probably) not that we should.
[X] Plan Max EM/AM
Asgard (5 Cargo, 100,880Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
200 Knights per year - 21,320 Cr
BUY
100,000 Advanced Material per year - 13,110 Cr
300 Exotic Material per year - 2,397 Cr
100,000,000 Promethium per year - 5 Cargo, 780 Cr
Alfheim (20 Cargo, 94,278 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
Training - 10 Cr
300,000,000 Metal per year - 12 Cargo, 24,840 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
BUY
80,000 Advanced Material per year - 10,496 Cr
2,000 Exotic Material per year - 15,980 Cr
Vanaheim (1,453,114.3 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
none
BUY
5 Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor - 6,633 Cr
40 Helheim Patten Defence Cruiser - 33,573.6 Cr
1,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 5,400 Cr
Jotunheim (33.6 Cargo, 1,840 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
50,000,000 Material per year - 1.6 Cargo, 4,130 Cr
BUY
500,000,000 Promethium per year - 32 Cargo, 3,950 Cr
Midgard (84 Cargo, 59,638 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Metal per year - 21 Cargo, 81,600 Cr
2,000 Food per year - 42 Cargo, 18,400 Cr
BUY
1,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 6,100 Cr
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 21 Cargo, 93,400 Cr
Svartalfheim (32 Cargo, 271,165 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 32 Cargo, 7,800 Cr
100,000,000 Thrones per year - 520 Cr
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 263,000 Cr
Muspelheim (86 Cargo, 6,648.1 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 43 Cargo, 92,800 Cr
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 43 Cargo, 7,800 Cr
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
BUY
3,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 397,200 Cr
24,000 Exotic Material per year - 196,320 Cr
Niflheim (90 Cargo, 481,525.7 owed to Avernus)
SELL
500,000,000 Material per year - 10 Cargo, 46,400 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
3,000,000,000 Metal per year - 60 Cargo, 248,400 Cr
BUY
1,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 133,100 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 161,600 Cr
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 20 Cargo, 9,700 Cr
Asgard (5 Cargo, 100,880Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
200 Knights per year - 21,320 Cr
BUY
100,000 Advanced Material per year - 13,110 Cr
300 Exotic Material per year - 2,397 Cr
100,000,000 Promethium per year - 5 Cargo, 780 Cr
Alfheim (20 Cargo, 94,278 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
Training - 10 Cr
300,000,000 Metal per year - 12 Cargo, 24,840 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
BUY
80,000 Advanced Material per year - 10,496 Cr
2,000 Exotic Material per year - 15,980 Cr
Vanaheim (1,453,114.3 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
none
BUY
5 Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor - 6,633 Cr
40 Helheim Patten Defence Cruiser - 33,573.6 Cr
1,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 5,400 Cr
Jotunheim (33.6 Cargo, 1,840 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
50,000,000 Material per year - 1.6 Cargo, 4,130 Cr
BUY
500,000,000 Promethium per year - 32 Cargo, 3,950 Cr
Midgard (84 Cargo, 59,638 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Metal per year - 21 Cargo, 81,600 Cr
2,000 Food per year - 42 Cargo, 18,400 Cr
BUY
1,000,000,000 Thrones per year - 6,100 Cr
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 21 Cargo, 93,400 Cr
Svartalfheim (32 Cargo, 271,165 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 32 Cargo, 7,800 Cr
100,000,000 Thrones per year - 520 Cr
BUY
2,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 263,000 Cr
Muspelheim (86 Cargo, 6,648.1 Cr owed to Avernus)
SELL
1,000,000,000 Material per year - 43 Cargo, 92,800 Cr
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 43 Cargo, 7,800 Cr
200,000,000 Thrones per year - 1,020 Cr
BUY
3,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 397,200 Cr
24,000 Exotic Material per year - 196,320 Cr
Niflheim (90 Cargo, 481,525.7 owed to Avernus)
SELL
500,000,000 Material per year - 10 Cargo, 46,400 Cr
500,000,000 Thrones per year - 2,550 Cr
3,000,000,000 Metal per year - 60 Cargo, 248,400 Cr
BUY
1,000,000 Advanced Material per year - 133,100 Cr
20,000 Exotic Material per year - 161,600 Cr
1,000,000,000 Promethium per year - 20 Cargo, 9,700 Cr
| Net Income | no trade | Plan Fair Deals | Plan Max EM/AM |
| Thrones | 5,417M | 9,617M | 6,097M |
| Material | 3,785M | 7,285M | 3,235M |
| Metal | 8,776M | 1,776M | 4,476M |
| Promethium | 2,361M | 1,061M | 1,961M |
| AM | -3,411k | 1,769k | 2,768k |
| EM | -15,802 | 25,998 | 36,498 |
| Food | 4,243 | 2,243 | 2,243 |
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3 major gripes with your plan @Enjou
1) dont we only have a metal income of ~4.4 billion a year? why are you putting us in to metal debt?
2) why are you putting us in to major credit debt with niflheim?
3) why are you selling any exotic material?
1. Our metal income is 8.77 billion per year according to the Income Summary on the Datasheets page.
2. "162,025.7 owed to Avernus" means they still owe us debt.
3. Jotunheim, after all their trade deals, has a deficit of over 500 that I'm trying to relieve. They aren't likely to be able to buy EM from the Trust and don't have a big reserve of it. If @Durin says they'll be able to get it elsewhere, I won't mind removing it.