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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- Asia
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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- The Future
I wonder if the Grey Knights will start hanging out on Avernus more now that Alphas are showing up since they are good counters to them.
Also the fact we regularly produce high level psykers and even Alphas now really want to see if the Grey Knights themselves can start expanding their numbers sometime in future.
Know we talked about it in past but are we any closer to getting to the point we can make more Grey Knights?
Also the fact we regularly produce high level psykers and even Alphas now really want to see if the Grey Knights themselves can start expanding their numbers sometime in future.
Know we talked about it in past but are we any closer to getting to the point we can make more Grey Knights?
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
GK Geneseed is too complicated.
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- Berkeley
Long-ass way. IC we don't even know they're anything particularly special besides attached to the Inquisition, and we're in a bad place to try to figure out geneseed that the Imperium at its height couldn't.
I mean, yeah, our medical tech and expertise is damn good, but our geneseed-specific knowledge is limited to a half-trained Ultramarine and we have very few progenitor glands to work with.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
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- Russia
Probably when Varangian Guard will get first bunch of new marines. Their geneseed is more complicated than usual, biologis and Apothecary will need experience.
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- Australia
Its main method of destruction is killing everything within 700 metres of the focus point, which is ok but not really impressive. From one of the books, "Imperial Titans were a welcome sight on any battlefield, but you didn't want to be anywhere near them when they fired plasma weapons. The heat bleed would scour the ground for hundreds of metres in all directions, and the thermal shockwave would give anyone caught in the open a damn nasty flash burn."In other words, it does comparable personnel damage to the backwash of a Warlord Titan's plasma weapon.
Plasma projectors would be much better. They're capable of damaging shields, they start fires, they're cheaper since plasma tech is cheaper than grav tech, and if I had to guess they'd do more structural damage to ships than graviton weapons. They probably have short range but so do the graviton weapons and as mentioned above, they'd do plenty of anti-personnel damage from the heat of the bolt alone.
Well,we probably can do mini-crusade if we build up Astrates number into legion but that hundred years away thought.
I think our general policy should be strengthen human faction enity,and made peace with conservative admech.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
similar at worst
1. no Garden Grove
1. yes
1a. no
2. the Chapter
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- Alice Springs, Australia
given that the Grave weapons kill people on the other side of armour plating they are far more effective, 40k startships have very good insulators in their armour (and structure)
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I'm going with REALLY shitty roll.
Nergilite Beta.
In any case read the fluff text of the psykers we killed without damage 1 beta 8 gamma ect.
King means crystal.
I think @Durin has said Xavir has become low beta in terms of Fire Power.
Not what the Gray Knights look for, they look for people with the Sane and pure of Mind traits, not power.
@Durin said after the Vanagirian's have established themselves and have made a few hundred then we will start getting options to work with them to salvage the GK geneseed.
But yeah, Alpha psyker I am officially panicing and kinda happy.
@Durin 1.What could 5 Primiri Alpha psykers and 10 Gray Knights as a force beat?
2. Would it be sensible to use the missionaries as counter missionaries, preaching in our worlds against chaos?
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Those grav weapons don't make much sense unless they either don't do serious damage to the hull (meaning we can kill the crew and have intact ship to take) or have really good rate of fire, making them perfect point defense and good close combat weapon.
Or have really good targeting, capable to clear enemy CC3 reliably in a few shots, but that's not typical for starship weapons.
UPD: oh, they are bypassing armor. That's nice too.
Or have really good targeting, capable to clear enemy CC3 reliably in a few shots, but that's not typical for starship weapons.
UPD: oh, they are bypassing armor. That's nice too.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Oh no, suddenly all the people who can fire the guns are dead.
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- Leeds
Tee hee.
You seem to have dropped the Quartok description.
You have a strange insistence on spelling honour as honer. Unless you course you did mean a tool which is used to hone.
Honer dictionary definition | honer defined
know not no.
1) Is that the base or do you mean tutoring and Saint Lin cannot raise the chance above this threshold?
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- Australia
Their armour I can't say anything about, save that plasma weapons are anti-armour, but the internal structure of 40k starships is crap at stopping plasma bolts.
Spoilers to one of the books:
"As destructive as the plasma bolt loosed by Lupa Capitalina [(a Warlord Titan)] had been in the training halls, it was nothing compared to the devastation yet to come. Confined in an oxygen-rich environment without the vastness of an atmosphere in which to dissipate its heat and ionising electrons, the plasma burned volcanic as it streaked the length of the Speranza.
[...]
'Blast containment shields are raising between sections Z-3 Tertius Lambda and X-4 Rho,' said Blaylock, reading the damage-control inloads from noospheric veils of light. 'There is an eighty-three point seven percent chance they will not halt the blast and it will breach the main plasma combustion chamber.'"
The Speranza was large enough that it could repair starships, by the way, which is why the plasma bolt took so long to pass through the ship that high command could make plans to stop it.
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'Blast containment shields are raising between sections Z-3 Tertius Lambda and X-4 Rho,' said Blaylock, reading the damage-control inloads from noospheric veils of light. 'There is an eighty-three point seven percent chance they will not halt the blast and it will breach the main plasma combustion chamber.'"
The Speranza was large enough that it could repair starships, by the way, which is why the plasma bolt took so long to pass through the ship that high command could make plans to stop it.
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True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
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- Russia
@Durin, I have some questions:
1) Did GK began training of Apothecary?
2) Are Terminator suits significantly cheaper than Destroyer armor, or maybe they offer greater environmental protection? There should be a reason why they were used in DAOT.
3) How cheap are nuclear weapons? If they can be built with mid twentieth century tech, they probably should be pretty cheap, materials or advanced materials at most.
4) Would anybody object if we give Sirens souls of that chaos insect xenos? Well, other than insects in question?
5) How much more powerful reactor of a Baneblade should be to feed Fellblade engines? Since Baneblade lacks shield and has less powerful weapons, I think that we can upgrade it without making it too expensive(So a Baneblade's cost will be still less than 20% of cost of a Fellblade)
6) What do we need to get a Telepathica option on non-feline Phase Tigers? Will omakes help?
1) Did GK began training of Apothecary?
2) Are Terminator suits significantly cheaper than Destroyer armor, or maybe they offer greater environmental protection? There should be a reason why they were used in DAOT.
3) How cheap are nuclear weapons? If they can be built with mid twentieth century tech, they probably should be pretty cheap, materials or advanced materials at most.
4) Would anybody object if we give Sirens souls of that chaos insect xenos? Well, other than insects in question?
5) How much more powerful reactor of a Baneblade should be to feed Fellblade engines? Since Baneblade lacks shield and has less powerful weapons, I think that we can upgrade it without making it too expensive(So a Baneblade's cost will be still less than 20% of cost of a Fellblade)
6) What do we need to get a Telepathica option on non-feline Phase Tigers? Will omakes help?
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- Berkeley
40k canon is non-canon.
Assuming logic and consistency is a great way to get headaches.
- GK are in the low single digits here, and didn't have an Apothecary to start with. Between lack of actual need (as making more of them is a very long term pipe dream even now) and lack of institutional experience, I'm guessing no.
- In DAOT, the precursor to Terminator armor was an environmental suit. Assuming it to work as well for military purposes as a dedicated military suit is a bit of a stretch.
- Do not apply logic to WH40k. They cost what they cost. Blame Warp shenanigans.
As always, I tend to let Durin decide what exactly is canon in his game. Very rarely has picked things that are outrageously not friendly with lore, as such I can't take up too much issue.
Still, pointing out a piece from Priests of Mars might change his mind. However if it doesn't, the decision stands.
Still, pointing out a piece from Priests of Mars might change his mind. However if it doesn't, the decision stands.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
You can get a nuclear arsenal in Rogue Trader, but usually its considered a waste of time.
Nukes on a star ship not a great idea.
More like they have fallen out of favor with the Imperium at large.
"In the age of the Imperium, however, atomics have since
fallen out of favour. Simply put, the militant Adepta and
the Imperial Inquisition have better ways to destroy worlds.
Cyclonic torpedoes and virus bombs can slay whole planets
in a matter of hours, or even minutes. On the other hand,
even hundreds of atomic warheads will not destroy a world
outright—instead polluting the biosphere and slowly choking
life with palls of intensely radioactive soot."
In starship combat, they are really something you try to sneak inside enemy vessels for maximum damage, otherwise they aren't any risk inside your ship (save for a critical hit where they are being stored). Plus void shields and flak fire can stop them.
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1. no
2. different and they were not combat armour in the DAoT
3. surprisingly expensive and ineffective, one of those ways in which logic doesn't apply to 40k
4. no
5. decently but not out of your price range, though if you are tying to make cheap heavy tanks basing them on the Machariues makes a lot more sense
6. ?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I think he's talking about the Phase Cats.
Which we've already done I think.