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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. yes +10
2. not sure exactly but around a third gun, a third power and shield, a third everything else
3. no, though he does know that you will also need to upgrade the power
4. a mix of all but primarily plasma, melta and krak
5. no Inferno needs AM
- Location
- Berkeley
There are a couple sides on the issue, but the biggest sticking points is that certain worlds (Midgard) are unlikely to be able to afford to build the super advanced armor in proportion to their normal forces. The net result would be that their armies would be vulnerable to certain types of forces and tactics, requiring significant compromises elsewhere.
The other idea driving this is that we will probably want to offer ideological allies and the like military aid, but we won't want other groups to have access to our real DAoT tech—kinda like how the US is relatively happy to sell F16s but is holding the current generation of air superiority fighters close to the chest.
Increasing our Fleet would be great. It would allow us to trap invaders or peruse them. I would let us attack other systems.
Monitors are not part of the Fleet. They are orbital defences that happen to have sublight engines.
I respect him as the GM when he isn't the one that caused the issue he is complaining about.
People would ask about Baneblades and he would say some variation on "Yes you can have them, but I haven't got around to it yet." Then a few turns later after we upgraded the AdMech a bit and researched some stuff people would ask again and he would give the same answer.
At no point did he give any indication that he was waiting for something in particular. At no point did he suggest there were obstacles that needed to be resolved. He could have answered any of the questions with 'Not until X' or 'No, because Y'. Again and again he would say 'yes you will get it eventually' then never gave the option and wonder why people kept asking about it.
That said I am thankful that he has finally given a solid answer on the subject.
Tragically it is a rare occurrence when units only have to fight the things they are best against.
Also our most likely enemies for the foreseeable future are Orks. A military characterised by mass hordes of un-armoured infantry and light vehicles. Which probably explains why we do not actually have any Felblades. Or any plans to make any as far as I can see.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
And that is his right.
He's the GM when he tells us to shut up unless he's done something wrong we shut up and take our talking too.
We don't know what's going on and his answer that the admech has more important shit to focus on makes perfect sense.
He gave a definite answer ages ago for the exact same reasons as he gave now.
It should not be of any surprise that he's getting irritated.
We've made Felblades.
We started before the Incursion and finished them after.
Just to chime in on it, the reverse engineering of Baneblades seem like a Collegia project to me given they do have training in reverse engineering archeotech. They've really got nothing else on their plate at this point, and we should have a few wrecked Baneblades that we couldn't repair from prior battles lying around that they could take apart at will. With the Fellblade STC available as a reference for a more advanced version, it should be relatively easy to reverse engineer the Baneblades, or come up with something similar at least.
Now, as to a role within our own forces, the Baneblade is most certainly obsolete. We're coming up with a cheap superheavy tank right now in the form of the Macharius Mega-Vanquisher, which should still be much cheaper than a Baneblade and so could be deployed in greater numbers. Baneblades were intended for quality, so if we want that we're better off with Fellblades and their equivalents. The main use of the Baneblade would be as part of a technology package for allied polities - we generally don't want to spread our own tech, but giving some allies top-level Imperial tech designs is an option since that tech is already out there.
Now, as to a role within our own forces, the Baneblade is most certainly obsolete. We're coming up with a cheap superheavy tank right now in the form of the Macharius Mega-Vanquisher, which should still be much cheaper than a Baneblade and so could be deployed in greater numbers. Baneblades were intended for quality, so if we want that we're better off with Fellblades and their equivalents. The main use of the Baneblade would be as part of a technology package for allied polities - we generally don't want to spread our own tech, but giving some allies top-level Imperial tech designs is an option since that tech is already out there.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
BTW, we need to reverse-engineer Knight Forlorn for Asgard. Seems like a pretty useful thing against pretty much everybody.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
It was found in the Data core.
Everything was save for the super exitus, vortext tech and the super gravetic gun.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
Oh. I guess then making some is a good idea.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
We do we send them 100 knights per year.
Presumably that includes Forlorns.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
many skills are universal, and they pass the psyker on to someone of the right skillset for the rest, often a Primaris for the more powerful psykers
Helena Gray: Days at the University
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Helena Gray: Days at the University
She woke up. Sleep was pleasantly and mercifully dreamless this time. Entirely unlike when she was at home, where there would be whispering to her in her dreams, of which there always were. Voices speaking of power, that tried to nudge her to.. things. A nightmare. She instinctively shivered, but stopped herself. She had no need of fear, especially for a memory. Focusing her thoughts as she was thought, she allowed the fear to pass. There was a class today, and being an 'Eight year old Beta' was no excuse for arriving late. No, sir, no!
199.87 Seconds Later
Her teacher looked at her kindly as she entered in a whole minute past class start, but she knew she was guilty of -No, let that one pass too, concentrate, breathe in, out, relax- being late -BREATHE IN AND OUT- to class. No. Breathe in, OUT! IN AND OUT! AGAIN! Why wasn't it working-
"Relax, and focus on the moment, Helena. The idea is to align your emotional state with your breathing pattern." Her teacher interrupted, soothingly.
Exhalation. Serenity achieved again.
"We'll be reading some books today."
TORMENT- No. This was exciting. It was definitely exciting.
140 Minutes Later
Helena struggled not to torch her third book to cinders while read it aloud. Again.
"Why are we doing this!?"
"To learn restraint. Hold yourself back, and the book will not be damaged. It's an important skill to learn."
Easier said than done, it was so boring-
*FOOM*
Ugghhhh.
5 Hours Later
"..And transcribe the text to the notebook."
And of course, if she accidentally burned it, she'd have to start over. Nevertheless, it was time to showcase her masterful control of herself by doing this in one go and with flawless handwrting -No, maintain calmness- No, not this time. And here goes...
A is for Avernus, B, Berserk...
7.89 Hours after morning
Almost done, only 3 more alphabet, and -nonono, no burning-
8.13 Hours after class start
NO BURNING BREATHE IN AND EXHALE BREATH IN BREATHE OUT RELAX-
8.4 Hours after arriving late
1 MORE LETTER
9.05 Hours after the start of the day
Helena slumped back on her chair, exhausted and tired.
But she did it.
/
AN: Continues on from here. The alphabet is from here.
She woke up. Sleep was pleasantly and mercifully dreamless this time. Entirely unlike when she was at home, where there would be whispering to her in her dreams, of which there always were. Voices speaking of power, that tried to nudge her to.. things. A nightmare. She instinctively shivered, but stopped herself. She had no need of fear, especially for a memory. Focusing her thoughts as she was thought, she allowed the fear to pass. There was a class today, and being an 'Eight year old Beta' was no excuse for arriving late. No, sir, no!
199.87 Seconds Later
Her teacher looked at her kindly as she entered in a whole minute past class start, but she knew she was guilty of -No, let that one pass too, concentrate, breathe in, out, relax- being late -BREATHE IN AND OUT- to class. No. Breathe in, OUT! IN AND OUT! AGAIN! Why wasn't it working-
"Relax, and focus on the moment, Helena. The idea is to align your emotional state with your breathing pattern." Her teacher interrupted, soothingly.
Exhalation. Serenity achieved again.
"We'll be reading some books today."
TORMENT- No. This was exciting. It was definitely exciting.
140 Minutes Later
Helena struggled not to torch her third book to cinders while read it aloud. Again.
"Why are we doing this!?"
"To learn restraint. Hold yourself back, and the book will not be damaged. It's an important skill to learn."
Easier said than done, it was so boring-
*FOOM*
Ugghhhh.
5 Hours Later
"..And transcribe the text to the notebook."
And of course, if she accidentally burned it, she'd have to start over. Nevertheless, it was time to showcase her masterful control of herself by doing this in one go and with flawless handwrting -No, maintain calmness- No, not this time. And here goes...
A is for Avernus, B, Berserk...
7.89 Hours after morning
Almost done, only 3 more alphabet, and -nonono, no burning-
8.13 Hours after class start
NO BURNING BREATHE IN AND EXHALE BREATH IN BREATHE OUT RELAX-
8.4 Hours after arriving late
1 MORE LETTER
9.05 Hours after the start of the day
Helena slumped back on her chair, exhausted and tired.
But she did it.
/
AN: Continues on from here. The alphabet is from here.
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@Durin
1. As part of the resonance research, could we have an action to study the Phase Tigers, particularly with an eye towards studying how their frequencies interact with each other?
1.a. Would it also be possible to do a long term study of the frequencies of a green regiment as it matures?
2. How much time does it take to get a read on an individual's resonance?
3. Way back when the first Saren was studying Blink Spiders, there was an offhand mention that he had a way to gather them. Could that be used to design Blink Spider Lures?
4. If yes to 3, would planting Blink Spider Lures in, say, Ork villages be in any way cost effective?
With regards to 1 and 2, I'm interested to see if resonances could be used to better engineer grenadier regiments or other elite units.
1. As part of the resonance research, could we have an action to study the Phase Tigers, particularly with an eye towards studying how their frequencies interact with each other?
1.a. Would it also be possible to do a long term study of the frequencies of a green regiment as it matures?
2. How much time does it take to get a read on an individual's resonance?
3. Way back when the first Saren was studying Blink Spiders, there was an offhand mention that he had a way to gather them. Could that be used to design Blink Spider Lures?
4. If yes to 3, would planting Blink Spider Lures in, say, Ork villages be in any way cost effective?
With regards to 1 and 2, I'm interested to see if resonances could be used to better engineer grenadier regiments or other elite units.
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True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
I'm thinking about death of the Emperor. IMHO, we get pretty lucky: neither Abomination has a hold on human souls like Slaanesh had on Eldars, nor Abomination assimilated the Emperor, like it presumably did in "The Shape Of Nightmare To Come".
@Durin, did you decided it, or dice gods, and there were some awesome rolls like when Ynnead owned Slaanesh?
@Durin, did you decided it, or dice gods, and there were some awesome rolls like when Ynnead owned Slaanesh?
HanEmpire
Delicious
The Baneblade reverse-engineering needs to be done by Tranth.
I was simply giving my opinion - I just don't see the project as being particularly difficult given that we have a complete version of a much more advanced version in addition to over a hundred physical Baneblade variants. It seems like a good project for the Collegia to pursue given they have nothing else they can do right now. The GM of course can disagree.
If Midgard wants more Baneblades then Techpriests on Midgard will have to reverse engineer them. We don't need them on Avernus and Tranth has many decades worth of better projects available to him.
@Durin, How much involvement does Scott have with Mechanicus facilities on the other worlds? If they wanted to expand on Midgard for example (and Midgard was willing) would it require a Scott action?
@Durin, How much involvement does Scott have with Mechanicus facilities on the other worlds? If they wanted to expand on Midgard for example (and Midgard was willing) would it require a Scott action?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
It was very good.
Since she started it at some point in the back ground before the last major (read non emergency) high council meeting I'd say no.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. you could try but it is hard to detect the frequency of a non-psyker
2. it depends on the targets power and how much deph you go into, it can take a week or more for a non-psyker
3. no
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia