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Not under a governors command, part of Trust army.
And certainly not under the Inquisition.
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And certainly not under the Inquisition.
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1. no
2. yes
3. no
4. yes
convincing Space Marines to serve under you without giving them a position of influence (a high Council seat or planet) will be rather hard
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Worse idea, the Trust military is not strong enough to beat the nine worlds into submission if it should go rogue, add marines and it could launch a successful decapitation strike.
We don't need our own Horus.
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That's easy enough, there is precident.
The Grey Knights represented the Astartes at the first meeting so I see no reason not to give them a seat.
After the Elite Agent Augment project can we have a project to augment our soldiers?
I want them to be closer to Space Marines.
Practically the only useful enhancements the Space Marines have are their cognitive augs and the ones that makes them more likely to survive a wound.
There is also drawbacks like the larger size of their body.
So if we could make a implanted Stimpack, giving faster reaction time, precission and longer duration before they need to sleep or rest the augmented humans would not be much different in capability than SMs with the gear we can provide.
Advantage of this is we could apply it to veterans instead of just prebubescent boys.
I want them to be closer to Space Marines.
Practically the only useful enhancements the Space Marines have are their cognitive augs and the ones that makes them more likely to survive a wound.
There is also drawbacks like the larger size of their body.
So if we could make a implanted Stimpack, giving faster reaction time, precission and longer duration before they need to sleep or rest the augmented humans would not be much different in capability than SMs with the gear we can provide.
Advantage of this is we could apply it to veterans instead of just prebubescent boys.
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The main issue is cost.
Space Marines get in a vast number of augments that are cheap, cheerful and very effective for practically no cost the make new marines.
Our super soldiers MAY, emphasis on MAY, be equal to marines, but only through a lot of effort.
In any case their roles are really different, we're making them to hunt Beta psykers, single targets. They will be much more limited than Marines.
Besides there are more differences.
1. What your describing is just an adreanal augment.
2. Marines have the strength to work with these without dying from over work, they're bigger for a reason.
3. REALLY ****ing EXPENSIVE.
4. It would kill or permanently tramuatise any soldier that uses them.
5. The world Breakers did something similar.
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Depends.
I'd doubt it cause Caesar wasn't that bad, even his assassins didn't really want to kill him in some tellings.
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If we can't get Marines without giving them political power, I'll vote to offer them free repairs, ask for outside news and send them on their way, wherever it may lead them.
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A vote you will lose I fear.
Besides lets see if we can first try for giving them proposition power or a modified seat which means they only have power in military situations even then its one seat.
For my personal curiosity why the marine hate?
They can go fuck themselves. The Ultramarines are not going to get disproportionate representation compared to their contribution and 30 Marines and one ship is not sufficient.
They will want to take recruits from the Trust and we will probably be supporting them and paying for their stuff, but they want more.
The strength is a non issue because the muscle a SM adds is less than the Power Armor we have. And the endurance problem is easily solved by nutrient injection to pump sugars and hormones directly into the bloodstream. A less simple cyber augment for our soldiers I cannot think of.
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No Marine hate. Our constant disagreements with other planets and Admech make the idea of yet another independant power too annoying to be worth marines.
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@durin I don't think that the Personal Actions' distribution is clear, the part of the 2 five years action is clear enough, but since the Emergency Meeting is the second year the action wouldn't be a a full 4 year action, but a one year action the first year and another 3 years action the third year...
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With out armor a space marine is strong enough to crush a mans skull.
A near impossible feat for a normal human, seriously that thing is tough.
The power armor simply adds more.
In any case that's simply sending the body into overload, that also will kill them cause guess what the body becomes used to that and then they waste away.
Its also expensive, seriously for how common they appear augments are not cheap.
We have disagreements with Vanaheim, Svartfulhiem just don't like the idea of someone stealing their stuff, nobody else don't exaggerate, and we only have disagreements with part of the admech nobody else.
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If we can get agreement to go over 1k then the space marines would rock horrifcly otherwise their kinda a elite unit cool and missing from this timeline but still a elite unit. Maybe not base them out of avernus (recruit sure ofc) but not base especially at the start cause of their numbers . And we can do alot of geneslaves to grow their geneseed count aswell anyway (i think avernus could provide the 1k astartates at once at will or im being to optimistic to get their numbers up)
Also we can pimp them out anyway with our spare gear we got from the ships very easily for example . And since its the 2nd company i think we will get some access to dreadnought tech and maybe terminators aswell + we can maybe improve or get improvements from their armor lol? Also we can provide some ships for them ( maybe a grand cruiser or a battlecruiser for their flagship from our stock - we can have it built from our debt very easily as a dual prestige project with vanaheim aswell )
Completly random question , but how do battle barges compare to ship classes - been abit confused honestly.
Also we can pimp them out anyway with our spare gear we got from the ships very easily for example . And since its the 2nd company i think we will get some access to dreadnought tech and maybe terminators aswell + we can maybe improve or get improvements from their armor lol? Also we can provide some ships for them ( maybe a grand cruiser or a battlecruiser for their flagship from our stock - we can have it built from our debt very easily as a dual prestige project with vanaheim aswell )
Completly random question , but how do battle barges compare to ship classes - been abit confused honestly.
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I mean both the disagreements we actually have and the ones we'd get if we did stuff like sending cultists to the sirens or letting the Quartok work with our technology. You know, potentially useful stuff.
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900 years.
Probably a lot of lost and damaged stuff.
Siren's would have gotten us in trouble with the whole trust and the marines, for good reason, and the Quartok was us dropping the ball, but not an issue that SM's care about.
It doesn't matter because SM muscles are still weaker than power armor actuators. A SM in a power armor of the same size would be less strong than a regular human in it because they take up more space in the armor. While we can add more armor in a human power armor.
Indeed it would be more expensive, but my point is we could make soldiers stronger and better protectedthan SMs.
You a Biologis or medical expert now?
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The whole reason for the SM armor is that it augments they're strength, its an add on to their strength that's the whole point of the black carapace.
As for better protection Trooper armor, the only one we have on large scale deployment, is only 80% as good as Ignatus armor which it self is not nearly as good as Space Marine power armor.
In any case one final thing, a human in unpowered space marine armor wouldn't be able to move, those things are heavy.
No we could make Soldiers that go beserk become addicts then die, while also being more expensive.
Surprisingly yes I do do biology.
You don't dump things into the body without consequences, hormones, NOT ENZYMES you use them to break down substances, enact long term changes to the body, why do you think drugs are bad for you, your body grows used to them after use and then can't re adapt.
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Let me guess, Primarch/emperor warpy BS?
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Wonder what we'd see if we were to compare the GK to Lin?
