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- Spain
Indeed, and especially this trade, the only thing that we can get is the resource that is less critical...
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Thanks. Next question - Elder Haman's Moderate plan assumes we can pay the tithe for Warriors with our Praetorians instead, at an equal value. Is that a valid assumption?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
when you don't have something more important to do
to be honest Helguard fulfill the roll for Avernus
Thanks. Last question - how far is Midgard willing to go into debt?
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Does that mean Stormtrooper production will increase Helguard numbers, than? Or am I misreading that?
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- Australia
What? I'm sorry but what? Specialist Grenadiers (Write In) is still an option, so how is getting Avernite-grade Stormtroopers so unimportant that it doesn't get a spot in the Munitorum/Ministorum when Specialist Grenadiers still does? And why is it something we have to do anyway? We already did the relevant action 53 years ago.
Helguard are our grenadiers. Since stormtroopers' minimum skill levels are supposed to be grenadiers' maximum skill levels, having proper Avernite Stormtroopers that maintain their strength relative to Avernite Grenadiers would give us a very powerful weapon.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
any amount
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
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- Alice Springs, Australia
given that until a decade or two ago there were not an appreciable number of graduates that were not selected for officer training and since then you have had more important issues about tech
also the gap between Stormtroopersand grenadiers will be far smaller on Avernus then it is on most worlds, they will be at most +20 or so
note that in general grenadiers and Stormtroopers are trained by different groups the concept of grenadiers being worse then equivalent Stormtroopers is not correct and in fact ther are at least one group of Grenadiers that is Stromtrooper Grade (Kasrkin)
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- his hidden lair
Considering Stormtroopers are all about infiltration, deep strikes, and special forces operations in general- I imagine our Helguard drop infantry fill that role some already. If we *did* get Stormtroopers, they'd probably be maybe a Brigade of named Drop Helguard with some bonuses thrown on than another tier of veterancy.
And, while Midgard may be willing to take on all that debt, what exactly does all that debt get us. Midgard has like nothing to offer us at this point, and we might have issues trading that debt to other Trust members, because, Midgard has very little to offer any of the other Nine Worlds besides thrones. Just because you have 60 billion dollars worth of Phone books doesn't mean you are filthy rich- because you have to find a way to peddle 60 billion dollars of Phone books off to some other bastards. 10, maybe 20 thousand credits worth of debt I could see, but 60? I'm fucking stupefied how that helps us.
And, while Midgard may be willing to take on all that debt, what exactly does all that debt get us. Midgard has like nothing to offer us at this point, and we might have issues trading that debt to other Trust members, because, Midgard has very little to offer any of the other Nine Worlds besides thrones. Just because you have 60 billion dollars worth of Phone books doesn't mean you are filthy rich- because you have to find a way to peddle 60 billion dollars of Phone books off to some other bastards. 10, maybe 20 thousand credits worth of debt I could see, but 60? I'm fucking stupefied how that helps us.
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Ok with durin's assurance on the tithe ships being able to be delayed we can go all in on trading with Midgard
[x]Almost Max trade 2.0
Midgard +8,912 Cr banked
Sell:
-15595.8 Cr- 34 Warrior Class Cruiser
-1996.4- 7 mostly intact Warrior Class Cruiser
-1711.2- 6 mostly intact Bishop Class Carrier
-5887- 29 half destroyed Bishop Class Carrier
-2971.8- 39 near totally destroyed Bishop Class Carrier
-31950 -900 mostly intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer
Total Sold: + 60112.2 Credits
Buy:
-68400 = 19,000,000,000 Thrones a year (for 35 years)
Total Purchase = -68400 Credits
End Result: 624.2 Credits banked with Midgard
There will always be more ships to trade with Vanahiem for the next century and we could always use some more thrones especially in these next few turns as we rebuild.
[x]Almost Max trade 2.0
Midgard +8,912 Cr banked
Sell:
-15595.8 Cr- 34 Warrior Class Cruiser
-1996.4- 7 mostly intact Warrior Class Cruiser
-1711.2- 6 mostly intact Bishop Class Carrier
-5887- 29 half destroyed Bishop Class Carrier
-2971.8- 39 near totally destroyed Bishop Class Carrier
-31950 -900 mostly intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer
Total Sold: + 60112.2 Credits
Buy:
-68400 = 19,000,000,000 Thrones a year (for 35 years)
Total Purchase = -68400 Credits
End Result: 624.2 Credits banked with Midgard
There will always be more ships to trade with Vanahiem for the next century and we could always use some more thrones especially in these next few turns as we rebuild.
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- Australia
Disappointing but I can understand why. What about morale? I'm just reading about Tempestus Scions on Lexicanum and they go some pretty extreme stuff in their training to ensure their morale is nigh-unbreakable. Even better, while extreme it doesn't seem to be any worse than what Astartes go through and considering how many uncorrupted Astartes are still around, the methods must be Abomination-proof.
Cadians are special. Moreover, Kasrkin are special enough that they're our Governor's Own, so with the implication that Avernite Stormtroopers will be something akin to the Governor's Own, my anticipation for the day we get Stormtroopers has only grown.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
Avernites are even more special and the reason that the Governor's Own is mostly Kasrkin is that they were some of your best soldiers at founding and any Karskin who are left survived nearly a hundred years on Avernus
in other words Stormtroopers will not be anywhere near the league of the Governor's Own
and no you can't safely use Stormtroopers more exterme training methords and who said that large portions of the Space marines have not fallen to the Abomination
HanEmpire
Delicious
The Black Templars alone would be trumpeting their allegiance to the Tyrant.
EDIT: @durin, "Abomination" is a bit unwieldy for a name. The other Chaos Gods all have distinct names for themselves, for example. Has anyone (cultists) referred to the thing as something other than the "Abomination" or the Emperor?
EDIT: @durin, "Abomination" is a bit unwieldy for a name. The other Chaos Gods all have distinct names for themselves, for example. Has anyone (cultists) referred to the thing as something other than the "Abomination" or the Emperor?
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Asked that earlier, apparently they call him the Star Father, One True God, and the Master. We call him the Tainted and the Slave-Master.
How the heck would that work? That would be a massive amount of useless work for durin.
We could have 8 different trading partners, and durin would have to update it every turn for all 8. That's horribly ineffiicent.
Better than taking more Thrones.
Also, I think it will be valuable at some point. Midgard will be the third largest shipyard in the trust, so once they get done with their own build up those shipyards will be available to us.
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- Australia
Most chapters are Codex-compliant and the data we got from the Dark Eldar implies that quite a few Petty Imperiums are Astartes Protectorates. By name, Ultramar - controlled by the Ultramarines - is still going strong and the Ultramarines are the most Codex-complaint (and greatest) chapter of them all!
The Black Templars? You mean the guys with the casual disregard for the Codex Astartes and contempt for the Inquisition? They're pretty hardcore and violent but that doesn't mean they'll just fall to the Abomination. They don't obey and they don't force people to obey - they just kill things.
His most common name among his followers is 'the Star Father'. The reason he doesn't have an actual name is probably because he was made by people who worshipped the guy known only as 'the Emperor'.
Horrible inefficiency vs horrible boredom. There really is no winning here, is there?
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- Berkeley
As far as the Abomination goes, we hate the fucking thing a lot, we're not going to give it a title it chooses. Frankly, I'd bet that Avernites would probably refer to all of the chaos gods in somewhat degrading ways. Aka The Bloody Idiot, The Abomination, The Crazy Schemer, The Disgusting One, and The Twisted Masochist.
Also, just because there are major holdouts among the Space Marines doesn't mean they're not being fucked over. They're probably being forced to focus a lot of attention internally to avoid falling to the Abomination, which would fuck their ability to effectively project force etc. Also, 30% of the chapters falling isn't 'most' of them, but it's certainly enough to royally fuck a lot of the galaxy, and still leaves a lot of chapters still around to make their petty Imperium.
Also, just because there are major holdouts among the Space Marines doesn't mean they're not being fucked over. They're probably being forced to focus a lot of attention internally to avoid falling to the Abomination, which would fuck their ability to effectively project force etc. Also, 30% of the chapters falling isn't 'most' of them, but it's certainly enough to royally fuck a lot of the galaxy, and still leaves a lot of chapters still around to make their petty Imperium.
Not a lot of votes this time
Hand Tally
[x]Almost Max trade 2.0
-charlbaal and maybe these two?
[X] Plan Cautiously Optimized Trade
[X] Plan Moderate Optimized Trade- 4
-Elder Haman
Hand Tally
[x]Almost Max trade 2.0
-charlbaal and maybe these two?
[X] Plan Cautiously Optimized Trade
[X] Plan Moderate Optimized Trade- 4
-Elder Haman
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