What finished ships we've bought from Vanaheim, post tithe:
25 Warrior Class Cruisers
5 Praetorian Class Cruisers
20 Monk Class Escort Carriers
100 Squire Class Frigates
100 Page Class Frigates
400 Soldier Class Destroyers
What finished ships we have available for us to sell after our own fleet plan is taken into consideration:
9 Warrior Class Cruisers
5 Praetorian Class Cruisers
12 Monk Class Escort Carriers
250 Soldier Class Destroyers
We don't actually have 891 fully intact ones - we have 10. From the void command sheet:
910 Legionnaire Class Destroyer-10 intact, 900 mostly intact
Also I believe we need 10 more for our own fleet, meaning 20 more need to be built. (half for us, half for the tithe) So any plan needs to keep that in mind.
I'm hoping @Elder Haman will come up with a plan for this trade - I'm a bit busy.
Then talk to durin, I am just going with what he put down as available to sell in the post.
Also the tithe system should shortly become flexible right with your amendment passed at the last council meeting and its not as if we won't have time to choose what ships we want to tithe with the constant fleet expansion.
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You are making this plan on a misunderstanding. We have 50 Warrior Class Cruisers, not just 1. Also, we want to keep 16 of them, which means 32 (once we include tithe). So we ought to sell Midgard 18 intact Warrior Class Cruisers.
Also, I don't think we ought to sell all the spare Bishop Class and Legionnaire class to Midgard, we ought to sell a large number to Vanaheim instead. Vanaheim credits are more valuable than Midgard.
You are making this plan on a misunderstanding. We have 50 Warrior Class Cruisers, not just 1. Also, we want to keep 16 of them, which means 32 (once we include tithe). So we ought to sell Midgard 18 intact Warrior Class Cruisers.
Also, I don't think we ought to sell all the spare Bishop Class and Legionnaire class to Midgard, we ought to sell a large number to Vanaheim instead. Vanaheim credits are more valuable than Midgard.
I was going on the limitations durin posted of only 1 warrior cruiser. Plus we don't need to buy double for the tithe right now, right with the point system coming up soon?
We will have plenty of extra ships that could be tithed instead of doubling up on every ship made or repaired.
You are making this plan on a misunderstanding. We have 50 Warrior Class Cruisers, not just 1. Also, we want to keep 16 of them, which means 32 (once we include tithe). So we ought to sell Midgard 18 intact Warrior Class Cruisers.
I think you're misunderstanding something. This is our total purchase for ships repaired and returned to us from our last trade with Vanaheim:
Einherjar Class Command Battleship - 64,352.0 Credits
Alexander Class Command Battleship (Tithe) - 126,616.6 Credits
50x Warrior Class Cruiser (Mostly Destroyed) - 29,085 Credits
10x Praetorian Class Cruiser (Mostly Destroyed) - 5,817 Credits
40x Monk Class Escort Carrier (Mostly Destroyed) - 13,556 Credits
200x Squire Class Frigate (Mostly Intact) - 10,920 Credits
200x Page Class Frigate (Mostly Intact) - 10,920 Credits
800x Soldier Class Destroyer (Mostly Intact) - 17,200 Credits
1000x Tug - 15,000 Credits
Total Vanaheim Purchase: 293,466.6 Credits
Of the cruisers and escorts, we keep half and the other half are tithed. It doesn't matter if we commission the repairs or do them ourselves, the tithe still applies because these are 'new' ships rather than old ones that have already had a tithe applied to them. That leaves us with the first list I gave:
25 Warrior Class Cruisers
5 Praetorian Class Cruisers
20 Monk Class Escort Carriers
100 Squire Class Frigates
100 Page Class Frigates
400 Soldier Class Destroyers
Our fleet plan calls for the following numbers among them:
16 Warrior Class Cruiser
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier
200 Squire Class Frigate
200 Page Class Frigate
150 Soldier Class Destroyer
Thus, subtract what we planned for from what we have, and you get this:
25 - 16 = 9 Warrior Class Cruisers to sell
5 - 0 = 5 Praetorian Class Cruisers to sell
20 - 8 = 12 Monk Class Escort Carriers to sell
100 - 200 = 100 Squire Class Frigates needed to be built/purchased
100 - 200 = 100 Page Class Frigates needed to be built purchased
400 - 150 = 250 Soldier Class Destroyers to sell
I was going on the limitations durin posted of only 1 warrior cruiser. Plus we don't need to buy double for the tithe right now, right with the point system coming up soon?
No, he gave us the price of 1 Warrior cruiser. He did not say that we only have 1 Warrior Cruiser.
Also, I'm discussing the tithe for the ships we already ordered under the old syste,. Additionally, since the details of the new point system are not worked out I'd rather not make committments assuming we don't have to tithe certain ships until I understand the new point system. There is no need to maximize our trade with Midgard, only on ships that Vanaheim is unlikely to purchase.
Mainly I just think that the pricing for already finished ships should take into account that the tithe was already paid, but maybe that's just me. After all, we might sell our older Imperial ships at some point, and nobody will need to pay a tithe for those.
Sell:
8,256.6 Cr = 18 Warrior Class Cruiser
1,996.4 Cr = 7 mostly intact Warrior Class Cruiser
2,971.8 Cr = 39 near totally destroyed Bishop Class Carrier (up to 39)
31,595.0 Cr = 890 mostly intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer (up to 900)
Total Sold: + 44,819.8 Credits
Buy:
3,600 Credits = 1,000,000,000 Thrones a year (for 35 years)
Total Purchase = -3,600 Credits
End Result: 50,131.8 Credits banked with Midgard
This is cautiously optimized on the assumption that we shouldn't assume we can pay for tithes for cruisers with Soldier Destroyers (for example). Since we don't know the point system I am keeping enough of each class to pay for the tithe we need. In addition it assumes that Vanaheim will be interested in Bishop Class Cruisers.
50 Warrior - 18 to Midgard = 32 pre-tithe
32 Warriors * 0.5 (tithe) = 16 Warriors for our fleet.
Durin made a mistake on the Legionnaires, we only have 10 fully intact Legionnaire Class Destroyers.
(10 fully intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer + 10 mostly intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer) * 0.5 (tithe) = 10 more Legionnaire Destroyers which added to our current 90 means we have the 100 for our fleet plan.
13 mostly intact Bishop Class Carrier + 29 half destroyed Bishop Class Carrier means we can trade 26 half destroyed Bishop Class Carriers to Vanaheim and still get 16 for ourselves to pay the tithe and get our 8 for our fleet.
I'm not really feeling the need to purchase a lot of Thrones. Rather save them up for something else. Maybe buy colonists from Midgard for locations we want to colonize that aren't deathworlds.
Sell:
12843.7 Cr = 28 Warrior Class Cruiser
1,996.4 Cr = 7 mostly intact Warrior Class Cruiser
5,278 Cr= 26 half destroyed Bishop Class Carrier (up to 29)
2,971.8 Cr = 39 near totally destroyed Bishop Class Carrier (up to 39)
31,950.0 Cr = 900 mostly intact Legionnaire Class Destroyer (up to 900)
Total Sold: + 55,039.8 Credits
Buy:
3,600 Credits = 1,000,000,000 Thrones a year (for 35 years)
Total Purchase = -3,600 Credits
End Result: 60,351.8 Credits banked with Midgard
This is optimized on the assumption that we can pay for tithes for cruisers with at least other cruisers (ie pay with the Praetorian cruisers and keep the Warriors). In addition it does not reserve Bishop Class ships for Vanaheim.
Durin made a mistake on the Legionnaires, we only have 10 fully intact Legionnaire Class Destroyers.
We repair those, and assume we can pay the tithe using Soldier Destroyers.
13 mostly intact Bishop Class Carrier + 3 half destroyed Bishop Class Carrier means 16, pay the tithe and get our 8 for our fleet.
I'm not really feeling the need to purchase a lot of Thrones. Rather save them up for something else. Maybe buy colonists from Midgard for locations we want to colonize that aren't deathworlds.
I could also post an Aggressive trade plan, if people want it. That trade plan would assume that we can use Soldier Destroyers to tithe for everything.
But I have to get back to work. Will check again this evening to see if there is a demand for the Aggressive plan.
No, he gave us the price of 1 Warrior cruiser. He did not say that we only have 1 Warrior Cruiser.
Also, I'm discussing the tithe for the ships we already ordered under the old syste,. Additionally, since the details of the new point system are not worked out I'd rather not make committments assuming we don't have to tithe certain ships until I understand the new point system. There is no need to maximize our trade with Midgard, only on ships that Vanaheim is unlikely to purchase.
Well durin didn't put the amount that we could trade next to the fully intact Warriors like he did the others so I assumed just one. Plus I didn't think the Vanahiem trade ships were available yet anyway since none of them have been noted as delivered.
On the tithe ships, those can still be held back since we only need to tithe them upon completion of the ships so we have a good amount of time to do so since a good amount of our actions will be tied down in repair from the Demon incursion. The points based tithe system was going to be rolled out after next turn and we are not going to be able to repair any the ships that would need an immediate tithe before then since 5 more years are needed to finish the shipyard upgrades. So no harm in selling off ships beyond what we need for our fleet plan because the tithe won't be a problem for them.
Midgard is a planet in the quest we are playing, not a player of the quest capable of independent thought.
If durin did give Midgard a carrier fleet, for Midgard to answer my question, durin would have to explain what the Midgard fleet was and how it worked.
Someone should do an omake from the perspective of alternate-SV questers playing Midgard, commenting to each other about how BS Avernus is and demanding the GM to stop being crazy.
I think your reading a bit to much into his answer. From what I got out of that it's we get 50 Warriors which gets tithe to 25. From there we can sell say 9 to Midgard and they get all 9 and don't have to tithe 4 of those to the Trust.
I think your reading a bit to much into his answer. From what I got out of that it's we get 50 Warriors which gets tithe to 25. From there we can sell say 9 to Midgard and they get all 9 and don't have to tithe 4 of those to the Trust.
This trade stuff is so damn boring. Maybe make a page with all the trade deals we can make per turn and then we just include our trade plans in the main plan?
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