Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
It looks gothic and emo.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- United states
I remember reading something about high level biomancers making their bodies ageless with their biomancy abilities. So is it actually possible and can they do it to other people?
- Location
- madison
I doubt it. High lords of terra have died of old age, and if anyone would have the resources to get a personal biomancer it would have been them.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
Or Tyranids ate the Emperors corpse along with Terra.
- Location
- Berkeley
Part of it could be because of a distinct lack of trust or innovation in the Imperium.
Besides, I think that the easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use juvenat to reduce age and biomancers to clear the toxin buildup (that, at least fluff-wise is the only limiting factor).
- Location
- Germany
Maybe nobody with imperial predjuces wanted an beta-class psyker getting his hands on a High lord.
- Location
- madison
well the current crop didn't die of old age, but the high lords in the past have aged to death. so imortality as something that one can be compelled to give is somewhat unlikely.
possibly, but the imperium of old was immensely hypocritical. A high lord using a psyker of the books would be exactly the sort of thing they would do, also by definition someone who was ageless would stick around much longer. Eventually they would all be ageless if only because the ones who didn't do that kept dying of old age.
possibly, but again the old imperium was intensely hypocritical. Agelessness is enough of a prize that the high lords would certainly look into it, hell it would be useful enough that they could legitimately claim it was for the good of the imperium as a whole rather than there own personal use.
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- Location
- not telling
Who's to say that they didn't? I wouldn't put it pass the High Lords to be trying this and not tell the others thinking that only they are smart enough to think of cheating the system like this when all of them are doing it. As for "died of old age" it might just be the the High Lords version of "fell down the stairs" or "heart failure" when explaining away the inconvenient fact that a subordinate just opened up a promotion opportunity.
Time Changes Everything
- Location
- Berkeley
omake about the Quartok, specifically Aryz's reaction to the whole Incursion thing.
Time Changes Everything
First Councilor Aryz found himself once again being forced to reconsider a strongly-held belief. In and of itself, this was hardly new. Through his over a millennium and a half of life, countless immutable truths had both faded away and come into being. He had long since resigned himself to the simple fact that nothing was truly immutable, and that some things simply seemed more so than others. He only wished that one of the most seemingly immutable was not that things would go wrong for the Quartok.
No, what he was reconsidering was his views on humanity. At first, he had thought their appearance was nothing more than a vile joke. That his people had survived all the Orks, the Warp, and bad luck could throw at them, only to be dealt a deathblow by the very group that had destroyed their homeland, once again after the Quartok had helped to kill their shared enemy, the Orks. He had been so angry about the cruelty of fate that he had thrown his very hatred of the Imperium and all that it stood for in their faces, almost daring them to finish the job their kind had started so long ago.
But they had not. Not only had they not immediately turned upon their tenuous allies once their common enemy was dead, but they had allowed them to live on their world. At first he had believed that they might have lacked the military might needed to finish his people off—after all, his people were a group of veterans of the highest order, and given what he knew of Garkill's proclivities the humans would have faced a strong invasion force. That or that the humans wished to use his people as pawns against the next threat, or for some other twisted reason. Humans did not need a reason for the deceptions or predations.
But they didn't. They went so far as to create buildings and defenses for the Quartok, rather than leaving them to face their brutal world alone and unprepared (and at this point he knew that that would likely have been a death sentence for most). True, they had required the Quartok submit to them in some ways, which he certainly did not approve of. And they could certainly turn on the Quartok and finish them off if they had so desired, but as he now knew they always could have.
In the mean time, he had used the access he had to the humans to gather more information about his enemy. So he learned. He learned of their history, the way their dreaded Imperium had been formed and operated. Their many enemies, surrounding them on all sides, each of which slowly chipping away at the Imperium. Their extensive lore of the Horror in the Warp, much of which concealed from all but the highest ranks, which had dedicated so much of its time and attention to breaking or twisting every effort humanity made to improve itself or the situation.
And from this, he learned that humanity itself held no love for the Imperium of old. That they had been just cogs in its ponderous mechanisms. That it was not truly a monolithic entity—that in many ways, they felt little more kinship to the portion of the Imperium that had destroyed his world than he felt for the other aliens that had attacked them before.
The Incursion, as the humans called it, was what finally drove it home to him. He and his forces knew well the threat of the Horror in the Warp, or at least they thought they did. They certainly knew well how to fight against it. But before the Incursion, they had had no real idea of the scope of that which they fought. The sheer presence, twisting their very thoughts and turning Quartok upon Quartok. And the endless numbers behind them—leader after leader rising up to replace that which he had killed. And the humans were more vulnerable than them to this menace.
But it was here that the sincerity of the humans was finally shown to him. Despite the overwhelming mental assault, few turned traitor. That their defenders, few though they were in this Quartok city, joined whole-heartedly in its defense, despite lacking true kin there. They were willing to risk their lives, their souls, for the Quartok, despite the millennia of anti-xeno rhetoric.
Of course he would not, could not, forgive humanity for the destruction of his homeworld. But he could neither forget that nothing was truly immutable. That perhaps this portion of humanity was sincere. That is was the Imperium of Man, not Man itself, that had been his true enemy. He would give these humans a real chance. It was the least he could do, given that they had given his entire race one when they had desperately needed it.
Time Changes Everything
First Councilor Aryz found himself once again being forced to reconsider a strongly-held belief. In and of itself, this was hardly new. Through his over a millennium and a half of life, countless immutable truths had both faded away and come into being. He had long since resigned himself to the simple fact that nothing was truly immutable, and that some things simply seemed more so than others. He only wished that one of the most seemingly immutable was not that things would go wrong for the Quartok.
No, what he was reconsidering was his views on humanity. At first, he had thought their appearance was nothing more than a vile joke. That his people had survived all the Orks, the Warp, and bad luck could throw at them, only to be dealt a deathblow by the very group that had destroyed their homeland, once again after the Quartok had helped to kill their shared enemy, the Orks. He had been so angry about the cruelty of fate that he had thrown his very hatred of the Imperium and all that it stood for in their faces, almost daring them to finish the job their kind had started so long ago.
But they had not. Not only had they not immediately turned upon their tenuous allies once their common enemy was dead, but they had allowed them to live on their world. At first he had believed that they might have lacked the military might needed to finish his people off—after all, his people were a group of veterans of the highest order, and given what he knew of Garkill's proclivities the humans would have faced a strong invasion force. That or that the humans wished to use his people as pawns against the next threat, or for some other twisted reason. Humans did not need a reason for the deceptions or predations.
But they didn't. They went so far as to create buildings and defenses for the Quartok, rather than leaving them to face their brutal world alone and unprepared (and at this point he knew that that would likely have been a death sentence for most). True, they had required the Quartok submit to them in some ways, which he certainly did not approve of. And they could certainly turn on the Quartok and finish them off if they had so desired, but as he now knew they always could have.
In the mean time, he had used the access he had to the humans to gather more information about his enemy. So he learned. He learned of their history, the way their dreaded Imperium had been formed and operated. Their many enemies, surrounding them on all sides, each of which slowly chipping away at the Imperium. Their extensive lore of the Horror in the Warp, much of which concealed from all but the highest ranks, which had dedicated so much of its time and attention to breaking or twisting every effort humanity made to improve itself or the situation.
And from this, he learned that humanity itself held no love for the Imperium of old. That they had been just cogs in its ponderous mechanisms. That it was not truly a monolithic entity—that in many ways, they felt little more kinship to the portion of the Imperium that had destroyed his world than he felt for the other aliens that had attacked them before.
The Incursion, as the humans called it, was what finally drove it home to him. He and his forces knew well the threat of the Horror in the Warp, or at least they thought they did. They certainly knew well how to fight against it. But before the Incursion, they had had no real idea of the scope of that which they fought. The sheer presence, twisting their very thoughts and turning Quartok upon Quartok. And the endless numbers behind them—leader after leader rising up to replace that which he had killed. And the humans were more vulnerable than them to this menace.
But it was here that the sincerity of the humans was finally shown to him. Despite the overwhelming mental assault, few turned traitor. That their defenders, few though they were in this Quartok city, joined whole-heartedly in its defense, despite lacking true kin there. They were willing to risk their lives, their souls, for the Quartok, despite the millennia of anti-xeno rhetoric.
Of course he would not, could not, forgive humanity for the destruction of his homeworld. But he could neither forget that nothing was truly immutable. That perhaps this portion of humanity was sincere. That is was the Imperium of Man, not Man itself, that had been his true enemy. He would give these humans a real chance. It was the least he could do, given that they had given his entire race one when they had desperately needed it.
- Location
- Australia
Yes. Magnus the Red was known to use the technique to fight Titans.
- Location
- Australia
Regular high-level Biomancers can use the technique too, not just Primarchs. But yes, Primarchs are indeed OP.
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
While true, Magnus is a Primarch, and using him as an example of anything is somewhat suspect due to his tremendous psychic power.
Naval Plans
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Naval Plans
You and Admiral Parnell recently sat down and decided on a fleet composition that you are aiming for.
ship prices and link to types follows
target EM is between 1500 and 2000
Warships
You and Admiral Parnell recently sat down and decided on a fleet composition that you are aiming for.
ship prices and link to types follows
target EM is between 1500 and 2000
Warships
| Cost Thrones | Cost Material | Cost Metal | Cost Promethium | Cost Advanced material | Cost Exotic Material | Upkeep Thrones | Upkeep Material | Upkeep Metal | Upkeep Promethium | Upkeep Advanced material | Upkeep Exotic Material | |||
| Prophet Class Hyper Carrier | Dreadnought Carrier | 17,500,000,000 | 700,000,000 | 54,000,000 | 45,000,000 | 155,000 | 350,000,000 | 14,000,000 | 27,000,000 | 450,000.0 | 3,100.00 | |||
| Genghis Class Command Battleship | Hunter Fast Command Battleship | 5,000,000,000 | 155,000,000 | 16,000,000 | 8,100,000 | 28,000 | 100,000,000 | 3,100,000 | 8,000,000 | 81,000.0 | 560.00 | |||
| Einherjar Class Command Battleship- | Brute Armored Command Battleship | 4,600,000,000 | 200,000,000 | 11,000,000 | 8,200,000 | 27,000 | 92,000,000 | 4,000,000 | 5,500,000 | 82,000.0 | 540.00 | |||
| Vajra Class Command Battleship | Grav Accelerator Command Battleship | 4,400,000,000 | 150,000,000 | 10,500,000 | 8,500,000 | 31,000 | 88,000,000 | 3,000,000 | 5,250,000 | 85,000.0 | 620.00 | |||
| Alexander Class Command Battleship | Line Command Battleship | 4,700,000,000 | 160,000,000 | 12,000,000 | 8,100,000 | 28,000 | 94,000,000 | 3,200,000 | 6,000,000 | 81,000.0 | 560.00 | |||
| 1,873 | 1807.00 | |||||||||||||
| Medium Battleship | Medium Battleship 90k crew | 1,650,000,000 | 140,000,000 | 3,200,000 | 1,000,000 | 8,000 | 33,000,000 | 2,800,000 | 1,600,000 | 50,000.0 | 160.00 | |||
| Fast Battleship | Fast Battleship 80k crew | 1,500,000,000 | 130,000,000 | 3,600,000 | 950,000 | 7,500 | 30,000,000 | 2,600,000 | 1,800,000 | 47,500.0 | 150.00 | |||
| Armored Battleship | Armored Battleship 100k crew | 1,800,000,000 | 150,000,000 | 2,800,000 | 1,100,000 | 8,500 | 36,000,000 | 3,000,000 | 1,400,000 | 55,000.0 | 170.00 | |||
| Grand Cruiser | Armored Small Battleship 50k crew | 700,000,000 | 70,000,000 | 1,400,000 | 250,000 | 2,000 | 14,000,000 | 1,400,000 | 700,000 | 12,500.0 | 40.00 | |||
| Heavy Cruiser | Armored large Cruiser 35k crew | 300,000,000 | 44,000,000 | 600,000 | 80,000 | 600 | 6,000,000 | 880,000 | 300,000 | 4,000.0 | 12.00 | |||
| Battlecruiser | Fast large Cruiser 32k crew | 250,000,000 | 38,000,000 | 800,000 | 70,000 | 500 | 5,000,000 | 760,000 | 400,000 | 3,500.0 | 10.00 | |||
| Castle Defence Cruiser | Defence Cruiser, 27k crew | 46 | 65,000,000 | 18,600,000 | 240,000 | 30,000 | 90 | 400,000 | 50,000 | 120,000 | 200.0 | 1.80 | ||
| Knight Cruiser | Armored Cruiser, 30k Crew | 100,000,000 | 22,000,000 | 320,000 | 35,000 | 125 | 2,000,000 | 440,000 | 160,000 | 1,750.0 | 2.50 | |||
| Corsair Class Fast Cruisers | Cruiser, 27k crew | 80,000,000 | 19,000,000 | 400,000 | 27,000 | 115 | 1,600,000 | 380,000 | 200,000 | 1,350.0 | 2.30 | |||
| Warrior and Praetorian Class Cruisers | Cruiser, 30k crew | 60,000,000 | 19,000,000 | 220,000 | 22,000 | 100 | 1,200,000 | 380,000 | 110,000 | 1,100.0 | 2.00 | |||
| Monk Class Escort Carrier | 12 Attack Craft Wings Armored Light Carrier, 21k Crew | 40,000,000 | 6,000,000 | 160,000 | 10,000 | 50 | 800,000 | 120,000 | 80,000 | 500.0 | 1.00 | |||
| Page and Squire Class Frigate | Armored Escorts, 5k crew | 12,000,000 | 2,250,000 | 50,000 | 4,000 | 25 | 240,000 | 45,000 | 25,000 | 200.0 | 0.50 | |||
| Soldier and Legionnaire Class Destroyers | Cheap Escorts, 3k crew | 90 | 8,000,000 | 1,500,000 | 30,000 | 2,500 | 20 | 160,000 | 30,000 | 15,000 | 125.0 | 0.40 | ||
| Privateer Class Raider | Raiders, 4k crew | 60 | 10,000,000 | 1,600,000 | 54,000 | 3,000 | 23 | 200,000 | 32,000 | 27,000 | 150.0 | 0.46 | ||
| Shadow Class Destroyer | Stealth Escort, 2k crew | 20,000,000 | 1,400,000 | 24,000 | 5,500 | 49 | 400,000 | 28,000 | 12,000 | 275.0 | 0.98 | |||
| Decent Class Destroyer | Atmospheric Escort, 2k crew | 15,000,000 | 2,000,000 | 24,000 | 3,500 | 25 | 750,000 | 100,000 | 12,000 | 175.0 | 1.25 |
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- Alice Springs, Australia
1. no clue
2. there were around 1-2 billion Eldar and hundreds of billions of Dark Eldar
3. tens of millions
4. no clue
5. less then a decade
6. via the webway
7. no clue
8.weaker the the Chaos Gods, more pwoerful then anything else Ridcully has SEEN
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. 51
2. both
3. all have the same bonus except AM which has a far lower bonus and EM which is even lower
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
nice but you are underestimating both the Quartok's experience with the Horrors in the Warp, their hatred of humanity and humanities hatred of them
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
you mean a fleet that would take tens of thousands of years to build and bankrupt you a million times over
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
no I accidentally removed the top row, added
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
In other words, YOU KILLED MY PEOLPLE WITH DEATH BEAMS FROM SPACE YOU BARBARIANS!
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So do you want everyone that made a fleet plan to repost theirs, math out the relevant costs since we have all the numbers, and present it for a vote from everyone?
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