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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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Ramble said:
I can't get over the feeling the planet is just . . . playing with us, shaping us to its own ends.

Like Bonsai. I mean, C'mon, this was a full on slanneshi daemon incursion lead by multiple daemon princes and greater daemons. Literally any other world would have been plowed under and daemonformed into a hellworld, but look what happened. We lived. Sure, one in five people died, but only one in five people died. By all accounts, that's damn good.
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By most accounts its damn amazing.

A feat that could only be matched by places like Ultramar, possibly Cadia, but we don't know.

Hell we won't ever know if the PM id doing anything to use specifically, or just letting us be until we can contact a deep one or something like that.
 
The other death worlds would have fared decently I think. Though of course places like Fenris and Cadia stand out even amongst the lofty planets capable of surviving. ...Fortress Death Worlds are something else.
 
Ramble said:
I can't get over the feeling the planet is just . . . playing with us, shaping us to its own ends.

Like Bonsai. I mean, C'mon, this was a full on slanneshi daemon incursion lead by multiple daemon princes and greater daemons. Literally any other world would have been plowed under and daemonformed into a hellworld, but look what happened. We lived. Sure, one in five people died, but only one in five people died. By all accounts, that's damn good.
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Avernus is already a hellworld, you realize?

At any rate it's in a deathworld class all of it own.
 
@durin, when I asked if other worlds could've survived the incursion we just went through, I mentioned our home field advantage as having helped us. I think you misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean our cities which had super-heavy defences, I meant Avernus. If the same incursion appeared on another planet, a planet without multiple Alpha Plus psykers, millions of Epsilon psykers, battle-tank sized Blank bears, a psychic turtle bigger than a hive ship, soul-eating sirens, and all the various Warp nasties that occupy Avernus' Warpspace to help fight off the daemons, would that planet survive?
 
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Andres110 said:
@durin, when I asked if other worlds could've survived the incursion we just went through, I mentioned our home field advantage as having helped us. I think you misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean our cities which had super-heavy defences, I meant Avernus. If the same incursion appeared on another planet, a planet without multiple Alpha Plus psykers, millions of Epsilon psykers, battle-tank sized Blank bears, a psychic turtle bigger than a hive ship, and all the various Warp nasties that occupy Avernus' Warpspace to help fight off the daemons, would that planet survive?
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Yes worlds like Ultramar, Armageddon, Cadia, most bigger forge worlds and Space Marine home worlds
 
Andres110 said:
@durin, when I asked if other worlds could've survived the incursion we just went through, I mentioned our home field advantage as having helped us. I think you misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean our cities which had super-heavy defences, I meant Avernus. If the same incursion appeared on another planet, a planet without multiple Alpha Plus psykers, millions of Epsilon psykers, battle-tank sized Blank bears, a psychic turtle bigger than a hive ship, and all the various Warp nasties that occupy Avernus' Warpspace to help fight off the daemons, would that planet survive?
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I don't understand where he could have misunderstood you.
You asked if any other planet could have survived this invasion, he said yes and gave examples. Do you think Svartalfheim could have withstood this invasion? Because they're better defended than we are by levels.
 
Alex pears said:
Ultramar
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Nitpick here but I think you mean Macragge. Ultramar is an entire region of space.

Dark as Silver said:
Do you think Svartalfheim could have withstood this invasion?
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No. If there weren't some really massive threats between us and the Warp, we would've had to face a fair few more Keepers of Secrets than we did and they wouldn't have had any Beta psykers/black crystal swords to take them out with.
 
Andres110 said:
Nitpick here but I think you mean Macragge. Ultramar is an entire region of space.
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Its the place with da bloody Ultrasmerfs so I don't care.
Andres110 said:
No. If there weren't some really massive threats between us and the Warp, we would've had to face a fair few more Keepers of Secrets than we did and they wouldn't have had any Beta psykers/black crystal swords to take them out with.
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So?

On most worlds its impossible for an incursion of the scale we had to occur, never mind the one that actually happened and was for the most part stopped at the poles.
 
Andres110 said:
No. If there weren't some really massive threats between us and the Warp, we would've had to face a fair few more Keepers of Secrets than we did and they wouldn't have had any Beta psykers/black crystal swords to take them out with.
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Well theres your answer then, Svartalfheim is more heavily defended than us and with a larger population for more cities.
If they couldn't weather the attack but we can Durin must have been including Avernus's response when he gave comparable planets.
Alex pears said:
So?

On most worlds its impossible for an incursion of the scale we had to occur, never mind the one that actually happened and was for the most part stopped at the poles.
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So I was setting up for this argument above.
 
Dark as Silver said:
So I was setting up for this argument above.
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Pretty much.

Dark as Silver said:
Well theres your answer then, Svartalfheim is more heavily defended than us and with a larger population for more cities.
If they couldn't weather the attack but we can Durin must have been including Avernus's response when he gave comparable planets.
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This.

Svartalfheim would probably lose way more than we did, not having a population of storm troopers, not having the wild life, not having the BCJ, not having psykers ect., but they would have survived.
 
Alex pears said:
On most worlds its impossible for an incursion of the scale we had to occur, never mind the one that actually happened and was for the most part stopped at the poles.
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Yeah, but the hypothetical I'm asking is the ability for other planets to take the full brunt of the invasion without Avernus to protect them. Of course such an incursion could never happen on those worlds, this is all just hypothetical.

Alex pears said:
not having a population of storm troopers
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Grenadiers, actually. Only our PDF and above are as good as stormtroopers.

The main reason I don't think a planet like Svartalfheim would've survived is that we've been told that we would get straight up slaughtered if we went up against the Penguin Empire even if we mobilised all our citizens into one huge army. The daemon incursion broke through that empire, broke through the even harder target that came before that, and still would've wiped out much more than a fifth of our population if it weren't for all the omakes we wrote.

Somebodynobody10 said:
So...

Who was it that said that our forces have become OP with the whole DAoT-tech?
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...

*raises hand*
 
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Somebodynobody10 said:
So...

Who was it that said that our forces have become OP with the whole DAoT-tech?
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Wasn't it you at one point?
Andres110 said:
*raises hand*
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And him.
Andres110 said:
The main reason I don't think a planet like Svartalfheim is that we've been told that we would get straight up slaughtered if we went up against the Penguin Empire even if we mobilised all our citizens into one huge army. The daemon incursion broke through that empire, broke through the even harder target that came before that, and still would've wiped out much more than a fifth of our population if it weren't for all the omakes we wrote.
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Yeah, broke through is not the same as beat.
 
Alex pears said:
This.

Svartalfheim would probably lose way more than we did, not having a population of storm troopers, not having the wild life, not having the BCJ, not having psykers ect., but they would have survived.
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You are underestimating how powerful the wildlife is.

If not for the wildlife and planetmind the planet would have been plunged into a Daemonworld and Slaanesh could have declared what the laws of physics are.

Those fortifications could at one time be there, all sturdy and strong and the next tentacles everywhere.
 
durin said:
also daemons are more powerful on a Warp touched world like Avernus
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So that's another point in the Avernites are stupid OP pool... like seriously, the number of planets who could have survived something like this is only in the 50's at most.

Also @durin can we expect the final update with the traits ect. today or tomorrow?

Sorry for asking I'm just really really looking forward to it :D.
 
Vlad said:
You are underestimating how powerful the wildlife is.

If not for the wildlife and planetmind the planet would have been plunged into a Daemonworld and Slaanesh could have declared what the laws of physics are.

Those fortifications could at one time be there, all sturdy and strong and the next tentacles everywhere.
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I'm not, but most worlds can't have incursions like this and.
durin said:
also daemons are more powerful on a Warp touched world like Avernus
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I already know all of this. Hopefully.
 
Oh yeah.

If the trainees liable to fall to chaos have already fallen, and the sanctioned ones too, would that mean the remainder have effectively passed a more grueling test than would normally be required for a psyker to graduate? Because it mean we're going to get one of the best pass rates in the history of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, period. And all the graduates would already be veteran level, or higher.

@durin

Is this correct?

1) Also, can Minor Psykers eventually increase their power to a higher level, enough to qualify as a major psyker?

2) For non-primaris psykers, is there a level above 'elite'?

3) Did our ordinary psykers have their power increase (As in, minor to major, delta to gamma, etc) as a result of this invasion?

4) Does Ridcully get even better Divinations? (Maybe a roll twice, take better type of reroll?)
 
Andres110 said:
Wait wait wait wait wait.

Wait.

You mean we killed an empowered Keeper of Secrets in a single blow!? Holy shit we're badass! Bloodthirsters must be lining up to have a piece of us!
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Well, our sword is really good against Warp entities and the BCJ is more effective against something the further into Chaos it is, and you don't get further into Chaos than actually being a daemon.

Still, there were daemons who witnessed us doing it, so Frederick likely has a reputation in the Warp now as someone who is scary as hell.
 
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