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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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First proposal I don't think we care that much either way--I'm tempted to just abstain rather than picking a side.

Second proposal, why don't we counter-offer allowing interested parties in the Trust to send us a representative, and run our ideas/data by them at the proposal stage (i.e. before we would select it from a list/the terms of a peace treaty). Give them the ability to force us to bring the issue to the rest of the trust for approval as well as address any issues at the bud. Basically the idea would be to give any of the worried parties a fair bit of oversight and keep them in the loop without us having to spend so much effort being proactive in handling that stuff or needing to bug everyone every time we want to scratch our nose.

Then, the fun stuff--specifically, proposals we have.

First I would propose the creation of a joint military academy in the Trust. The goal of this academy would be to familiarize higher officers with procedure and tactics for joint operations, as well as to increase ties between Trust worlds and spread tactics and expertise between different worlds.

Then, well, I guess this would be the time to bring up the Quartoks...
 
How about we suggest that we modify the Avernian Wildlife Proposal such that we need to get the opinion of the entire High Council before we make any treaties and we require a majority of approval from them before making any treaty provides more than raw material?

Or something along those lines.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
How about we suggest that we modify the Avernian Wildlife Proposal such that we need to get the opinion of the entire High Council before we make any treaties and we require a majority of approval from them before making any treaty provides more than raw material?

Or something along those lines.
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That would have drawn out the Troll negotiations far longer than necessary. We would have lost about 100k Soldiers per year more until now, when we have the chance to get the opinion. That seems a unacceptable.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
How about we suggest that we modify the Avernian Wildlife Proposal such that we need to get the opinion of the entire High Council before we make any treaties and we require a majority of approval from them before making any treaty provides more than raw material?

Or something along those lines.
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The proposal is basically that they trust us enough that they don't want to get bothered all the time with the crazy shenanigans we get up to with the wildlife, and that they'd be chill with just having the Inquisition watching (which it should be anyway). Some groups don't want us able to do that unchecked though--they have some concerns as we're fairly radical and some of the wildlife from Avernus could be a real threat to the Trust, especially if it had access to our technology.
 
durin said:
The second proposal, put forward by Lord Marshal Sigurd of Asgard, is to make all creatures native to Avernus purely the responsibility of the Governor of Avernus and the Inquisition as long as they remain in the Avernus system.
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Example of how this would work: Those hundreds of thousands killed every year by Avernus Wildlife? Oh, they are suddenly the personal fault of the governor of Avernus and the members of the inquisition, legally speaking. A tourist goes petting strange wildlife, unarmed, and of course dies. With that proposal? Legally, our fault.

As it's written right now, that proposal is a setup to a political attack to neutralize or destroy against us and the inquisition.
 
Jexx said:
Well, not a single word about ship graveyard. Looks like I have been "making a mountain out of molehill" as Alex pears put it.

@durin: One thing I don't understand - we already have all necessary mechanisms inherited from Imperium to (relatively) smoothly deal with whole "contacting the xenos" thing. Just why is Ordo Xenos sitting on it's collective ass instead of doing their work?
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You mean the Ordo Xenos that started off as a single xenophobic Inquisitor
 
Anti-No said:
Example of how this would work: Those hundreds of thousands killed every year by Avernus Wildlife? Oh, they are suddenly the personal fault of the governor of Avernus and the members of the inquisition, legally speaking. A tourist goes petting strange wildlife, unarmed, and of course dies. With that proposal? Legally, our fault.

As it's written right now, that proposal is a setup to a political attack to neutralize or destroy against us and the inquisition.
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It would be exactly as much your fault as someone going into the deep underhive of Midgard and being killed by gangsters is the Governor-General of Midgard's fault
remember in 40k the law is massively biased towards the planetary governors
 
durin said:
You mean the Ordo Xenos that started off as a single xenophobic Inquisitor
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We would have provided all necessary equipment and paid for support staff's training, just to avoid whole "what would other governors think" thing.

Lack of resources/manpower is just an excuse to avoid dealing with crazy Avernite wildlife, and you know it. :)
 
What do Psyker Hunters do, again?

Cause, um, I don't think we're at the point where psyker hunters are at 'overcapacity'.
 
Artemis1992 said:
If she also keeps an eye on Klovis-Ultan because he might be infuenced by the psychic Xenos and Klovis -Ultan watches Varquez because the former Rogue Trader might want to set up a petty Imperium we have a perfectly normal group of Inquisitors.
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You mean three nutcases that are held back by their own rampant paranoia rather than spending time doing something important?
 
durin said:
You will need permission from the High Council to take them offworld in the current format
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That would give them almost an almost direct say in how we control an important portion of our own military

durin said:
you can try to suggest a new format
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This.

Please for the love of the Emperor, very much this.

We don't tell them how to use their militairy

well we do but they have the option of voting against. something like this would deny us any say at all.
 
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Tinkerer said:
You mean three nutcases that are held back by their own rampant paranoia rather than spending time doing something important?
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They should be keeping an eye on each other--an Inquisitor going bad unchecked is a legitimate threat to the Trust even though we've limited their power relative to what they had in the Imperium. They're the group that has the easiest time getting off-the-books resources and given their job they have to know two or three ways to run a shadow government.

We worry about it if it makes them unable to otherwise do their work, and honestly that hasn't really been the case--despite the death of the emperor, the Trust hasn't had much of an issue with cultists, even in systems isolated by the warp storm. Shit, the only thing that they should be doing on paper that they haven't is handling the Xenos situation on Avernus, but even then the person who is in charge is actually Inquisition--just not a member of Ordo Xenos.

Honestly, I think we might want to restructure the Inquisition a bit at some point--maybe shift it around so that Xenos takes the role of covert and information gathering on external powers to the trust. Obviously I haven't figured out exactly how I'd like it, but to shift the focus in recognition that now rather than Humans v. Others, it's more A Huge Fucking Mess That Only Leaves Orcs Happy.
 
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I love how Avernus has been effectively quarantined simply because the Trust took one look at our biosphere and said; "Yeah, that shit is staying there if we have anything to say about it". I still wonder what the hell the Trust's response would be if the Blink Spiders had invaded the other planets. A planet like Midgard would have been fucked in sheer terms of how many they lost to them.

Avernus, where invasive species qualify as planetary invasions.
 
Karugus said:
I love how Avernus has been effectively quarantined simply because the Trust took one look at our biosphere and said; "Yeah, that shit is staying there if we have anything to say about it". I still wonder what the hell the Trust's response would be if the Blink Spiders had invaded the other planets. A planet like Midgard would have been fucked in sheer terms of how many they lost to them.

Avernus, where invasive species qualify as planetary invasions.
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durin once remarked that Avernus would've become an interplanetary pariah. Our diplomacy would've been fucked, in other words. We installed those Warp Scanners just in time, IMO; our luck might've run out.
 
HanEmpire said:
durin once remarked that Avernus would've become an interplanetary pariah. Our diplomacy would've been fucked, in other words. We installed those Warp Scanners just in time, IMO; our luck might've run out.
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To be fair, even now, they tend to keep us at arms lengths besides our specialties. We're the unnerving guy at the table who's just too useful to kick out but still needs some boundaries laid out so that we don't invade someone's personal space.
 
durin said:
It would be exactly as much your fault as someone going into the deep underhive of Midgard and being killed by gangsters is the Governor-General of Midgard's fault remember in 40k the law is massively biased towards the planetary governors
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This sound reasonable, but how does it mesh with the following?

durin said:
as things are all creatures are purely your responsibility but that means if you take any offworld and they do any damage it could be very very bad for you (if it was a Siren who then killed a human you being deposed or kicked out of the Imperial Trust is a possiblity)
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I mean, if a soldier started killing people in the streets on some other planet on our orders, that would obviously be BAD, but surely things happen with drunk soldiers or naval personell etc now and then without it becoming an interplanetary spectacle?

Another question is the obvious "Okay, let's say the Dark Eldar catches some wildlife and puts it on Alfheim just to make trouble. What would happen, politically? Do we really want to make it this easy to split the alliance?"
 
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Anti-No said:
This sound reasonable, but how does it mesh with the following?



I mean, if a soldier started killing people in the streets on some other planet on our orders, that would obviously be BAD, but surely things happen with drunk soldiers or naval personell etc now and then without it becoming an interplanetary spectacle?
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because someone going to Avernus and dying doing something dangerous is one thing but you taking a xenos creature offworld and it eating someones soul is another
 
Riggnarock said:
That would give them almost an almost direct say in how we control an important portion of our own military



This.

Please for the love of the Emperor, very much this.

We don't tell them how to use their militairy

well we do but they have the option of voting against. something like this would deny us any say at all.
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their military can't permanently contaminate ecosystems, eat poeples souls ect.
also as things stand you will have to develop some system of getting taking Avernite creature offworld vetted or be blamed the first time there is an incident and given far more restrictions
 
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