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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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I am absolutely fine with that being the reason
I just want it to be obvious that we cant do it because the GM said so and not because we are incompetent
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I'm thinking of adding a couple things to my xenotech write-up that I think would improve it.
First off, the logic regarding the Quartok tech not being impure could be something Britton never mentions personally - that just put the 'standards of purity' logic out there and let others come to their own conclusions. With time they should figure out the Quartok tech doesn't set off any red flags, but in the mean time he'd only be giving negative examples, not positive ones, so he'd be explaining "this is why xenotech is dangerous" but still opening up the door for some of it to be considered not too dangerous.
Second, for the safe xenotech shutoff project we might suggest that he include a few well known Magos from the conservative factions as a means of "ensuring that caution is given a strong voice" in order to make inroads with the conservative factions. That way they can't just say "Britton is being reckless and heretical" because their own people are involved.
Thoughts?
A Chaos Lord would have absolutely no problem doing that, so it could easily be used against us by any Chaos Lord with a teleporter. (like the Angel of Betrayal, who did have one)
If you need a fluff reason to prevent this kind of thing, then maybe the soul requirement means only things that the person regards as part of themself to a degree can be teleported. Armor and equipment can be because they act as extensions of the person in question. A bomb they are holding and intend to detonate on the other end? Not so much. Also maybe teleportation has a tendency to blow up any active explosives on the end that you're teleporting from.
There's still all sorts of shenanigans you could do with teleporters, though.
First off, the logic regarding the Quartok tech not being impure could be something Britton never mentions personally - that just put the 'standards of purity' logic out there and let others come to their own conclusions. With time they should figure out the Quartok tech doesn't set off any red flags, but in the mean time he'd only be giving negative examples, not positive ones, so he'd be explaining "this is why xenotech is dangerous" but still opening up the door for some of it to be considered not too dangerous.
Second, for the safe xenotech shutoff project we might suggest that he include a few well known Magos from the conservative factions as a means of "ensuring that caution is given a strong voice" in order to make inroads with the conservative factions. That way they can't just say "Britton is being reckless and heretical" because their own people are involved.
Thoughts?
A Chaos Lord would have absolutely no problem doing that, so it could easily be used against us by any Chaos Lord with a teleporter. (like the Angel of Betrayal, who did have one)
If you need a fluff reason to prevent this kind of thing, then maybe the soul requirement means only things that the person regards as part of themself to a degree can be teleported. Armor and equipment can be because they act as extensions of the person in question. A bomb they are holding and intend to detonate on the other end? Not so much. Also maybe teleportation has a tendency to blow up any active explosives on the end that you're teleporting from.
There's still all sorts of shenanigans you could do with teleporters, though.
Well better than nothing I guess. I suppose I'll get to writing.
EDIT: I don't suppose people would have any names they'd like to see for variants? Hell if you got suggestions for other variations I'm all for it.
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The problem is that so much change is happening in the first place. The xeno-tech debate is just part of it. We need to give the Ad Mech time to get their heads screwed on strait. A new sense of Orthodoxy must be developed, and that needs time and soul searching to accomplish, preferable without too much overt association with outsiders.
Reform is going to be an ongoing thing for a long time - certain areas will settle, but progress can't be allowed to stop. Also, as I've said repeatedly, the timing on implementing any of our suggestions in Whispers of Change is entirely up to Britton.
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2. That it is a stupid idea like any that rely on Orks
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I missed this. Damn you Mechanicus backlog!
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Good ideas both, but it should be recognised that the latter idea will lead to slow xenotech growth. However, since we have a crap-ton of Dark Age tech to do before we touch xenotech, this isn't a problem.
Hexagrammatic Wards stabilize the Warp, prevent rifts from forming, and block psychic energy, but they won't stop a determined Daemon. You need Pentagrammatic Wards for that, and only Gray Knights know how to make those.
I always assumed the reason was that the bulkhead materials were so tough and the teleporters so inaccurate and size restricted that 90% of the time they'd just end up messing up a random corridor without damaging anything important. That's why they send people carrying bombs, to make sure they get somewhere vulnerable.
I think he meant for the psyker to phase out as the bomb went off. That's why he mentioned phasing.
Both are good. The only difference is Syr.
Can I get you two to think abot the following little change regarding the use of two personal actions and the Ministorum action? I find discussing Syr's future worthwhile. More than working on her combat stat (Piety needs it more). This way we can do all important personal projects. Please?
Munitorum
[X] Air Superiority
[X] Super Heavy Transport
Administratum
[X] Administratum Reorganisation: Part Four
-[X] Double Down: Administratum Reorganisation: Part Four
No personal attention.
Diplomacy
[X] Contact Trolls
Arbites
[X] Way of the Blade (Syr)
AdMech
[X] Survey Ship Graveyard: Above Battleships
[X] Kraken Hunters
Ministorum
[X] Tutoring (Syr)
Tutor instead of 'Those in the Shadow'
Personal
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Discuss Syr's future with her: Tell her stories about the rest of the Imperial Trust and your desire for her to experience and know more about it. Begin planning a schedule for Sy, including when to attend the Avernite Officer School, and when to visit various systems.
[X] Whispers of Change (Critical Thinking and Xenotechnology)
Instead of combat tutoring sitting down with Syr to talk about the big picture.
Ok, I've added an addendum section to my xenotechnology write up that should help assuage some worries.
Here's the section if you want to give it a read:
Here's the section if you want to give it a read:
Avoiding Unnecessary Unrest From This Subject Matter
First, it should be noted that the above is a long term strategy. Ideas should be introduced with proper timing, and be as gradual as needed, to avoid doing more harm than good. Given the degree of Dark Age technology being gained, research of xenotechnology is not the highest priority for reforms, even if it needs to be done in the long term.
For introducing the critical thought portion, it may be best not to mention the Quartok as a positive example, at least initially. Focusing on the negative examples of xenotechnology and giving a "why" to their impurity without actually contradicting the existing doctrine, but at the same time not closing off all xenotechnology as immediately impure. With time members of the Mechanicus may come to the correct conclusions on their own, making it easier to endorse study of specific "safe" xenotechnology later on.
In regards to the "safe shutdown" project, it may be a good idea to carefully select a few well known and respected members of the conservative factions to be included as part of it. They can be touted as necessary for the project due to being "voices of necessary caution" and "having proven records for standing against corruption". Politically, this will make the project harder to criticize, as the conservatives are included in the project and makes it so they know their voices are being heard by the Fabricator General. While this might slow down the study of xenotech in the short term, in the long run it could make for a smoother transition.
Further, it can be stated truthfully that the Mechanicus has had trusted Magos studying xenotechnology with great caution, and that establishing the project is merely a part of slow re-establishing expertise that has been cut off. A specific example of this to use can be the sale of the wrecked Necron cruiser that Atlas purchased from Avernus for study - given many of the tech-priests in the Imperial Trust are from Atlas, it should show that even their old leadership accepted some degree of study of xenotechnology.
First, it should be noted that the above is a long term strategy. Ideas should be introduced with proper timing, and be as gradual as needed, to avoid doing more harm than good. Given the degree of Dark Age technology being gained, research of xenotechnology is not the highest priority for reforms, even if it needs to be done in the long term.
For introducing the critical thought portion, it may be best not to mention the Quartok as a positive example, at least initially. Focusing on the negative examples of xenotechnology and giving a "why" to their impurity without actually contradicting the existing doctrine, but at the same time not closing off all xenotechnology as immediately impure. With time members of the Mechanicus may come to the correct conclusions on their own, making it easier to endorse study of specific "safe" xenotechnology later on.
In regards to the "safe shutdown" project, it may be a good idea to carefully select a few well known and respected members of the conservative factions to be included as part of it. They can be touted as necessary for the project due to being "voices of necessary caution" and "having proven records for standing against corruption". Politically, this will make the project harder to criticize, as the conservatives are included in the project and makes it so they know their voices are being heard by the Fabricator General. While this might slow down the study of xenotech in the short term, in the long run it could make for a smoother transition.
Further, it can be stated truthfully that the Mechanicus has had trusted Magos studying xenotechnology with great caution, and that establishing the project is merely a part of slow re-establishing expertise that has been cut off. A specific example of this to use can be the sale of the wrecked Necron cruiser that Atlas purchased from Avernus for study - given many of the tech-priests in the Imperial Trust are from Atlas, it should show that even their old leadership accepted some degree of study of xenotechnology.
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So, I can't believe I didn't think of this before, but the Those in the Shadows option is something we should look at the pyskers in training sheet for deciding whether it's a turn we want to do it on or not. Specifically we'd want to look at Delta psykers and above, I think.
This turn will see one Gamma and nine Deltas taking the trials, and more Zetas than usual as well as a bonus. The next two turns only have four Deltas each, and after that only one Gamma and three Deltas. The current turn is probably the best turn in a while to take this action. The next year that would probably be worthwhile is six years away, having two Gammas and eight Deltas.
Also, @durin, I mentioned this a couple turns ago but you never fixed it, but the list of minor psykers in training is incorrect - turn 58's psykers were skipped over:
Turn 58 had this many:
So this should be the correct number:
This turn will see one Gamma and nine Deltas taking the trials, and more Zetas than usual as well as a bonus. The next two turns only have four Deltas each, and after that only one Gamma and three Deltas. The current turn is probably the best turn in a while to take this action. The next year that would probably be worthwhile is six years away, having two Gammas and eight Deltas.
Also, @durin, I mentioned this a couple turns ago but you never fixed it, but the list of minor psykers in training is incorrect - turn 58's psykers were skipped over:
1,882 Fifth year Minor psykers
2,057 Fourth year Minor psykers
2,603Third Year Minor Psykers
3,779 Second Year Minor Psykers
4,515 First Year Minor Psykers
2,057 Fourth year Minor psykers
2,603Third Year Minor Psykers
3,779 Second Year Minor Psykers
4,515 First Year Minor Psykers
Turn 58 had this many:
So this should be the correct number:
2,057 Fifth year Minor psykers
2,479 Fourth year Minor psykers
2,603 Third Year Minor Psykers
3,779 Second Year Minor Psykers
4,515 First Year Minor Psykers
2,479 Fourth year Minor psykers
2,603 Third Year Minor Psykers
3,779 Second Year Minor Psykers
4,515 First Year Minor Psykers
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I was thinking about making an omake about Syr dreaming about playing a children's card game with Creed but I couldn't figure out how to make it work. That's not to say that nothing came of the idea, however...
(Warning: Most of the details herein are from half-remembered memories from about a decade ago.)
(Warning: Most of the details herein are from half-remembered memories from about a decade ago.)
We are not teaching our daughter to play Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker - the only one left who plays that anymore is Tzeentch and he is a giant nerd.
So they have a shitty base chance then. Technically not their fault. May want to do something about it as some point.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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Plus he cheats constantly!