ArchAIngel
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Not enough to break us. Amusingly, if they try the usual best Chaos tactic of "Summon all the daemons", that'll lower our losses, as our wildlife hunts those cooperatively.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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I have no problem with it either, I just thought that there were pretty strong reactions when we first heard about it, so people shouldn't forget it now and complain later.
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Shard
One and Many
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So approximately 0.01%, give or take ~0.002%, of our population are psykers. Excellent.
I motion that we include several psyker-finding operations over the next year. I expect that the number of Chaos Psyker as % of Psykers should fall significantly as a result. In addition, of course, to expanding the number of psykers we have.. so we should also include an expansion to Minor City status as an pre-emptive measure against overflowing.
Well, "cocentration" isn't quite right, given that their crusade fleets are all over the place. Even in The Shape of Nightmares to come the primary crusade fleet you're worrying about had only 1,000 Astartes to start with, and 2,000 later on.
Also, one thing you need to remember is that Astartes, while fearsome, are not generally as effective in open battle on a massed scale in the numbers that you get with Chapters. Legions, yes, but they are always backed up by regular humans in pitched battle.
Which doesn't change whether it's the Black Templars or some other Abomination warband. The Black Templars are one possible problem out of many. We don't need to prepare for them specifically, we need to prepare in general, which we are already doing.
Sure, but you were emphasizing their craziness. Their craziness isn't really an argument for their efficacy.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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And as many people have said we have better tech, a planet that will kill at least 1 fifth of everyone they land militia that is better than cadians/storm troopers better tech and better ships. Instead of a stab to the head bt's would be a punch to the gut painful, but we can more than take it.
So calm down we will get SPs when we do it they will be glorious
So calm down we will get SPs when we do it they will be glorious
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Shard
One and Many
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So, um, potential psyker problems and opportunities? Guys?
We should deal with this pre-emptively; I suspect the reason we have so many chaos psykers (15-20 each year!) is because we have been neglecting the search for them. If 5% of all undiscovered major psykers have been becoming chaos psykers each year, it implies that we have about some 400 major psykers that remain undiscovered, year on year.
Also, we haven't had Alpha psykers yet. Not even chaos alpha psykers. Hmm.
Interesting.
We should deal with this pre-emptively; I suspect the reason we have so many chaos psykers (15-20 each year!) is because we have been neglecting the search for them. If 5% of all undiscovered major psykers have been becoming chaos psykers each year, it implies that we have about some 400 major psykers that remain undiscovered, year on year.
Also, we haven't had Alpha psykers yet. Not even chaos alpha psykers. Hmm.
Interesting.
ArchAIngel
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Alpha need during to roll 100 then a 96+, IIRC.
Doomed Wombat
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Possibilities are entire regiments or atleast having multiple ones maybe even on a squad level and massive choirs. Durin even said if we have a big enough choirs we could learn interesting things and the alphas... Just really rare and need a high die. Alpha plus are possible but it requires 95+95+95 or something
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
So about 1 in 2000 Major Psykers (I think it's just major psykers). While that might seem like a lot, we discover about 80~so major psykers per year, and that number is likely to continue to increasing in the future. 2000/80 is 25 years per alpha psyker. We should plan for the eventuality - it's bound to happen, statistically speaking.
I suppose we could duplicate an alpha-plus-level psyker with a massive choir? Could we recreate something akin to the astronomicon? In the distant future, of course, since it'll make us a prime target for enemies and probably be massively vulnerable at the same time.
But if/when we reach 'million psykers' stage, eliminating warp storms via psyker should be a consideration for our actions. Maybe we could even do it without sacrifices; I mean, who knows what we could do with this resource.
EDIT: Could we use Telepaths to disseminate knowledge among our population? Could we use them to help train psykers? Possibilities..
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Massive Choires are a bit is not more difficult than you seem to imagine. Getting thousands of different minds to operate in perfect union a trivial challenge.
It's easier if the just have to push everything into one overwhelmingly powerful "leading voice", like the Emperor or maybe Magnus.
Everytime an individual psykers mind is not in harmony with the rest, from any distracting thought, there is a risk that everything goes to hell.
Literally.
Edit: Smaller choires are far safer because a single mind like Xavier or Ridcully can take control and stabilize it with relative ease.
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First is a bad idea and telecommunications and knowledge implantation chairs do the job. The second we only need to learn how to program new skills instead of just pilot skiils.
I don't think you're not interpreting the math correctly. There is a 5% chance, year over year, that an undiscovered individual major psyker of Zeta-level will go chaotic. Higher ratings have a higher chance of going chaotic each year they remain undiscovered - an Epsilon might have a 10% chance, a Delta a 20% chance, a Gamma a 30% chance, and so on. Conversely we have a better chance of finding psykers when they have higher ratings. This is why every Beta we find is six years old and we haven't had a Chaos Beta aside from the one when we were still building up our psyker finding methods. Betas develop their powers earlier in life and they put out so much psychic energy that they broadcast their presence, so they're probably found within days of developing their powers.
Also, we are not neglecting to hunt for Chaos Psykers. We have Witch Hunters, Psyker Hunters, Witch Sniffers, and pretty much our entire law enforcement apparatus looking for psykers and cultists year round. On the former two fronts we'll have more produced once the additional schools are up, which means we'll find major psykers more easily.
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hey durin, do chaos psykers get a power boost? i'm noticing that the amount of damage done by for example chaos delta and gamma class psykers seems well out of step with out much our battle psykers could do. Or is that just because a psyker trying to take as many peopel as possible with them rather than win will do a lot more damage?
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notanautomaton
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Yeah, with these numbers I have to question how the Imperium could ever win against Chaos. I mean, these are virutally untrained psykers, yet they regularly kill enormous numbers of men before they're taken down. The Chaos psykers we fought on Midgard seemed much weaker.
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
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Avernus is a special kind of place.
ArchAIngel
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I wonder, has anyone compared psychic powers on and off Avernus? Like, if Gerald is on Avernus, can he burn better than on another planet?
Knightfall
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Not that I am aware of.
ArchAIngel
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Hmm. This might explain it. Avernus being a bigass psy amp would fit with how it's holding off the Warp Storm. All that energy has to go somewhere.
Knightfall
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Also the planet is alive.
ArchAIngel
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I wrote the omake that got us that data. I know.
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
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Not to mention the living saint and the fact that we are surrounded by Old Ones biotech.
Well, a few things to take into account...
1. Quite often the Chaos Psykers, once discovered and knowing they are discovered, are fighting for their very survival against everything around them. Literally everyone around them is trying to kill them at that point. They have very little reason to hold back, using dangerous amounts of their power to try to live or at least take as many people down with them as they can.
2. Some of them can reinforce themselves with daemons. Others can use mind control to take control of the grenadier level populace around them.
3. They can get extra powers from the Chaos Gods that our own psykers don't have access to.
4. When they cause trouble it's often unexpected - a lot of people around them don't see it coming, and if they've summoned daemons or mind controlled people it can take some time to sort out what the hell is happening.
That said, our own psykers will generally have more willpower as they've gone through training to increase it, so they'll have greater Control. As such, they tend to be able to pull off high precision stuff that can have big effects. Xavier waltzing into a hive of two billion people, blowing the plasma reactor, and then using the resulting flames to destroy the entire hive with the help of a choir, Ridcully using divination to use a devastating Dark Eldar black hole weapon against itself, our Daemonologists helping with breaching the Dark Eldars' defenses on the ground, etc. Plus we've seen them provide bonuses in combat in general, but we aren't explicitly seeing what they can do.
We'll probably see more awesome stuff with our psykers in the future as we deploy them in greater and greater numbers.
Is the 400 EM accounting for the 400 EM we're spending on building 100 Knights every year for Asgard?
100?! That would explain it. Also cove the slight AM shortage as well. Still leaves 50M Promethium though, a full 11% of our post tithe production.
As a side note, going over the production figures again makes me more confident in the Trust's throne production numbers. Our current net loss makers can cover their shortfalls if they do Mat-Throne conversions, working solely off of domestic supplies.
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